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Post by habsorbed on Jun 3, 2015 0:02:51 GMT -5
This is great news for a number of reasons:
1) don't have to read the Brampton ECHL thread anymore;
2) Petry is a top 4 and maybe a top 2. After PK he may be our best all around dman. This guy is entering his prime and we have him for 6 years with a solid team that he is just getting use to unlike where he came from. If he doesn't improve at all it is still a good deal;
3) Markov is only going to get slower and we now have his replacement if he retires now or two years from now;
4) If we want a top 6 forward we are going to have to give up assets. If Petry had gone the FA route we would have lost an asset for nothing. We now can offer up some of our dmen to get the scorer we need. I'd be reluctant to give up on Beau as I think he could be another top 2, particularly offensively. All other dmen should be on the table as should any of the forwards not named Max, Brendan, or Alex, and first round draft picks. Petry's signing brings us closer to getting that top 6 scorer!
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Post by Skilly on Jun 3, 2015 5:26:49 GMT -5
Last night before going to bed, I checked my phone and had a text from a good friend of mine. He doesn't have a favourite NHL team (known him for decades and he has never admitted to having one anyway), and watches a lot of hockey. Anyway, he once told another friend of mine (an Edmonton fan) how he felt Petry was under-rated. Last night, his text read "6 years. Very long contract. Is he really that good? Always thought he was unfairly blamed in Edmonton, but this is the fastest time that anyone has gone from under-rated to over-rated"
Petry is a good defenseman. But after reading some posts, I got to agree with my friend. Top 2 denfenseman? We, Habs fans, always do this. We over-rate our players and prospects. If Markov retires this year, Petry is replacing his 50+ points?? And even though Markov has lost a step, he was still +20 ...
I hope you are all right about this, but I get a feeling it's 2-1 games again next year.
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Post by Disp on Jun 3, 2015 5:32:21 GMT -5
This is great. He made a huge difference for us. The $ are fine, I think he'd have got more if he waited.
He may not be a "classic" number 2, but he's the 2nd best dman on our team.
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Post by blny on Jun 3, 2015 5:35:25 GMT -5
Quebec has the highest tax rate in the league. On Petry's new deal, he'll pay $2.729 million in tax. For comparison's sake, his old salary in California would have given him almost the same net income. In other words, to have the same amount in the bank after tax he's got to get paid almost $2.5 million more in Montreal. It may all be a 'first world problem', but it's still a factor. I think most agree that he would have received a higher offer on July 1, but Montreal has always had to pay extra because of the tax rates.
I think it's hard to predict his offensive output. His ability to skate and move the puck may not directly lead to goals, but it can and should lead to less time in our end. We still need another quality finisher, but my hope is that he can put up 40 points in a second pair role with time on the pp.
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Post by franko on Jun 3, 2015 5:56:18 GMT -5
Petry is a good defenseman. But after reading some posts, I got to agree with my friend. Top 2 denfenseman? We, Habs fans, always do this. We over-rate our players and prospects. If Markov retires this year, Petry is replacing his 50+ points?? And even though Markov has lost a step, he was still +20 ... my fear is that Markov won't replace Markov this year; that is, that he is slower, he is older and more prone to wear-down and tear-down . . . and needs to play fewer minutes. I think that now he can. Our d is more solid. however, those goals are important . . . MB needs to find someone to get them. heck, with this coach it'd be 2-1 games if we had Gretzky and Lemieux in their primes.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 3, 2015 7:39:02 GMT -5
I think this is a great deal, for all the reasons listed. Most importantly the "push-down" effect, and the "Markov factor". I thought it would be $5.5 for five years, and honestly I think the extra year is a win for Bergevin. I figured Petry would want a four or five year deal, and then be able to get another five year deal when that one expired, at the age of 31-32. So in effect Bergevin got one more year of potential free agency out of Petry, in the middle of his prime years.
Roman Hamrlik got $5.75 million per year, when the cap was about $20 million lower. Just for context.
Petry will never be our #1 defenseman, but with Subban there he doesn't have to be. He just has to be our #2 or even #3. Which right now he is. If Beaulieu progresses, then... well, he'll still be our #2 or #3. Perhaps overpaid, but I don't think he will be. Or at least I hope he won't be.
As for that "top scorer"... I don't think Bergevin has to do it this summer. He might, and I won't complain, but he doesn't have to in my opinion. Again, this was a 110 point team, and it just got better. Lest we forget that we had Gonchar/Weaver/Gilbert and even Allen taking big ice time with the team at various points last year. Heck, even Beaulieu and Tinordi took shifts when they really didn't look good. <insert personal opinion as to why here>. So I think we're a better team (on paper) than the one that finished with 110 points. So Bergevin has the luxury of time. Sure, if the team stumbles out of the gate and is sitting 9th come Christmas time then that luxury is gone. But right now I think he can wait until next year's deadline and see what shakes free. It's early of course, but right now it looks like there might be a bunch of much bigger names available, especially scorers. A preliminary list includes Staal, Stamkos, Kopitar, Lucic, O'Reilly, Elias, Byfuglien, Vrbata, Kesler, Backes, Versteeg, Ladd, Eriksson, Voracek, Perron, and Okposo. Granted, many of those guys will re-up with their current teams, but there are some on some teams that might be in trouble next year. So if Bergevin plays his cards right he could be in a great position to make a big splash next spring.
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Post by PTH on Jun 3, 2015 7:42:05 GMT -5
Petry is a good defenseman. But after reading some posts, I got to agree with my friend. Top 2 denfenseman? We, Habs fans, always do this. We over-rate our players and prospects. If Markov retires this year, Petry is replacing his 50+ points?? And even though Markov has lost a step, he was still +20 ... I don't think Petry takes Markov's place or replaces his points, but he can do a solid job on a 2nd pairing, giving us 2 veteran D on long-term contracts, and it's in that way that he'll replace Markov. I once thought Markov should be in Norris consideration, but I never expect that think that of Petry.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 3, 2015 7:56:23 GMT -5
He loved the environment, the Bell Centre, the players, the organisation, the way the players are treated and the fact that he mentioned PK and Price told him they wanted him to stay were the clinching factors. The fact his wife was happy in Montreal is huuuge. He also spoke to his dad and his was all for it, his dad loves Montreal.
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Post by halihab on Jun 3, 2015 8:49:22 GMT -5
Petry is a good defenseman. But after reading some posts, I got to agree with my friend. Top 2 denfenseman? We, Habs fans, always do this. We over-rate our players and prospects. If Markov retires this year, Petry is replacing his 50+ points?? And even though Markov has lost a step, he was still +20 ... I don't think Petry takes Markov's place or replaces his points, but he can do a solid job on a 2nd pairing, giving us 2 veteran D on long-term contracts, and it's in that way that he'll replace Markov. I once thought Markov should be in Norris consideration, but I never expect that think that of Petry. Based on Petry's performance in the playoffs, I much prefer his play in our own end over both Markov and PK. He contributed offensively as well, especially on the PP when he had a chance. He's a good skater, with good size and makes a good first pass out of our end. I like this signing alot. It won't be long before he is 1st pairing D-Man as well as 1st pairing minutes. I like how the Defense is shaping up. I would not trade Emelin, thought he was good in the playoffs as well. Definitely need help up front. Need one pure sniper and a set-up man and this team is good to go IMO.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 3, 2015 9:00:52 GMT -5
Roman Hamrlik got $5.75 million per year, when the cap was about $20 million lower. Just for context. That was a huge financial commitment by Bob Gainey, but at the same time Roman Hamrlik was the anchor on our defence corps ... I couldn't believe just how much our defence benefited from him just being there ... I'm not sure how to compare Jeff Petry to Hamrlik, but our d-corps just got significantly better ... I honestly believe Petry is our #2 d-man ... Not sure how or what Marc Bergevin will approach this one ... he's all business and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he were to approach Andre Markov to get a list of teams he'd play for ... ditto Alexei Emelin and possibly Tomas Plekanec ... I don't know if he'd try to recoup the 2nd-rounder that went over to Edmonton, or if he'll put together a package to land that scorer ... aside: There was a conditional 2nd-rounder that went to Edmonton in that deal ... does Petry signing with Montreal affect the "condidtional" 5th-round that Edmonton got in the deal ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 3, 2015 9:28:22 GMT -5
Roman Hamrlik got $5.75 million per year, when the cap was about $20 million lower. Just for context. That was a huge financial commitment by Bob Gainey, but at the same time Roman Hamrlik was the anchor on our defence corps ... I couldn't believe just how much our defence benefited from him just being there ... I'm not sure how to compare Jeff Petry to Hamrlik, but our d-corps just got significantly better ... I honestly believe Petry is our #2 d-man ... Not sure how or what Marc Bergevin will approach this one ... he's all business and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he were to approach Andre Markov to get a list of teams he'd play for ... ditto Alexei Emelin and possibly Tomas Plekanec ... I don't know if he'd try to recoup the 2nd-rounder that went over to Edmonton, or if he'll put together a package to land that scorer ... aside: There was a conditional 2nd-rounder that went to Edmonton in that deal ... does Petry signing with Montreal affect the "condidtional" 5th-round that Edmonton got in the deal ... Cheers. I think the 5th rounder becomes a 4th rounder if the Habs sign him. Edit: As per Gogie on the Petry for Picks thread 2nd and conditional 5th - becomes 4th if Habs win one playoff round this year and 3rd if they reach conference finals.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 3, 2015 9:43:00 GMT -5
Petry adds great depth to the top 4 but we are paying full price. IMO Bergevin needs to squeeze more value out of the D and I'd be looking to trade Emelin if we could. At $4.1m he just seems overpaid for what he gives you on the ice. I'd like to see Tinordi push Emelin out but I'm afraid Therrien likes Emelin and his "toughness" and he and Bergevin still seem unwilling to commit to developing Tinordi at the NHL level.
But with Petry in the mix now at $5.5 million, I think it's more important to get more value. Beaulieu sure helps but replacing Emelin with Tinordi on the 3rd pair would allow us to allocate more dollars up front and I honestly don't think we would suffer a drop on the ice. Decision-making seems to be a weakness for both players but I don't think Tinordi is worse than Emelin in that regard and I like his upside better.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 3, 2015 11:00:57 GMT -5
Petry adds great depth to the top 4 but we are paying full price. IMO Bergevin needs to squeeze more value out of the D and I'd be looking to trade Emelin if we could. At $4.1m he just seems overpaid for what he gives you on the ice. I'd like to see Tinordi push Emelin out but I'm afraid Therrien likes Emelin and his "toughness" and he and Bergevin still seem unwilling to commit to developing Tinordi at the NHL level. But with Petry in the mix now at $5.5 million, I think it's more important to get more value. Beaulieu sure helps but replacing Emelin with Tinordi on the 3rd pair would allow us to allocate more dollars up front and I honestly don't think we would suffer a drop on the ice. Decision-making seems to be a weakness for both players but I don't think Tinordi is worse than Emelin in that regard and I like his upside better. I would still like to keep Emelin. I think that once Petry pushed both Emelin and Gilbert down the line, the latter two started to play much better. I don't think that's coincidental. I'm also concerned about depth; yes, we have eight potential NHL defensemen at the moment, but if you trade Emelin and then say somebody else gets hurt… not much more to call up. So I like the depth that Emelin helps contribute to. Having said that, there is that lack of scoring. Personally I don't feel the same urgency to address the scoring this summer as others do, but that's just me and I'm occasionally wrong. Just occasionally though. Not more than six or seven times per post. Aside from believing that we did just fine (regular season) without this mythical Top Six Scorer, I also think that an improvement in the power-play alone will help alleviate some of these concerns. Granted this is a big if, but it's also not overly dependent on the Top Six Scorer, if you ask me. There is enough talent on the roster already to have a better power-play. The guy to get rid of, in my opinion, is Parenteau. At $4 million he brings MUCH less than Emelin does at $4.1 million, but of course that makes trading him all that much more difficult. BLNY has suggested buying Parenteau out, and while that is an option I still think he's tradable, especially if we retain salary. If Bergevin manages to trade him WITHOUT retaining salary… well, call the statue contractor because we're going to need a new one. Even if he keeps Parenteau for next season he can still dump him at the deadline. In fact, it might make it easier for Bergevin to make a Big Trade, as he will have a big salary to send back and clear up space, which won't hurt his roster, and which will be attractive to his trade partner because they won't actually be on the hook for much of that salary, and for only a couple more months. Other teams that are competing with Bergevin for the Big Trade may not have $4 million in cap space to dump to get said scorer, or if they do it will be in the guise of a much more impactful player than Parenteau.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 3, 2015 11:14:28 GMT -5
No argument on Parenteau. In hindsight, it would have been better to keep Briere last year at $4m with his expiring contract. Now we are stuck with PA for another year at $4m unless we can deal him.
It gets to my main beef with Bergevin, which is a tendency to swing and miss on overpriced and unproductive forwards. I go back to the Erik Cole for Michael Ryder swap, which was supposed to be for cap reasons but we turned the cap space into into Danny Briere and then PA Parenteau. In the end, we would have been better off just keeping Cole who scored 37 goals the last 2 years compared to Briere and Parenteau who combined for 21 goals with the Habs over the same period. Cole is a UFA now while we are stuck with PA for another year. Ugh.
I think that Berg is taking a pretty big risk if he thinks he can "do nothing" on offense other than just hope the PP gets better, but I also don't want him doing anything stupid like saddling us with a bad contract for a 3rd line scorer. He tried that with Briere/PA and I don't want him to make that mistake again.
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 3, 2015 11:33:45 GMT -5
Aside from believing that we did just fine (regular season) without this mythical Top Six Scorer, I also think that an improvement in the power-play alone will help alleviate some of these concerns. Granted this is a big if, but it's also not overly dependent on the Top Six Scorer, if you ask me. There is enough talent on the roster already to have a better power-play. IMO, the 110-pt. season was more a refection of Price having a year for the ages. Can we count on that again? If not, we won't see 110 pts. next season….not without improving the scoring as has been outlined. Either on the PP or at ES. If we have the talent on the roster for a better PP, then the problem must lie with the coaching…either with strategies or in the personnel selected. They had all year to figure something out.
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Post by Anardil1 on Jun 3, 2015 12:06:06 GMT -5
I was very surprised by this signing, as I was sure that Petry was going to at least test the market. I'm one happy Hab fan. I do however have some reservations. Not about the term or the dollars, but about the manoeuvering that the Berg will have to perform to improve the scoring, with the reduced cap space. On that point, I have to agree with Skilly. Petry has never produced as a true top 2 d-man. To expect a sudden boost in his production would be unrealistic IMHO. On the other hand, I also agree with BadCo regarding the trickle down effect that Petry had on the d corps. His acquisition allowed lesser d-men to play roles better suited to their respective talents.
Bottom line is that Petry gives the Habs another mobile, puck moving d-man, who plays well in his own end. He should get 2nd pair PP duties, removing Emelin from the PP (in theory, naturally.) I see the PP point men being any combination of Subban, Markov, Petry and Beaulieu.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 3, 2015 12:13:28 GMT -5
IMO, the 110-pt. season was more a refection of Price having a year for the ages. Can we count on that again? That's the $71MM question to me. How much of an impact did Price's great year have. If he 'falls' down to a .920 save percentage, what will that do to the 110 points? There won't be a clear answer because a) We'll have Petry from the start of the year, and he improves the back end b) some of our existing players may naturally take a step up or down and how much will their performance affect the points. c) Will we see the regular season Markov or the Playoff Markov next year? Anyway, it should be interesting to follow what happens at the draft. I have very low expectations for the FA season this year. Our CAP situation doesn't allow for any pickups, even if there were someone in whom we were interested (and there isn't). So, much of our hopes for next year lie at the June draft and if Berg can pull off a trade that balances out the talent level on the team from defense to offense.
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Post by blny on Jun 3, 2015 12:22:24 GMT -5
Petry adds great depth to the top 4 but we are paying full price. IMO Bergevin needs to squeeze more value out of the D and I'd be looking to trade Emelin if we could. At $4.1m he just seems overpaid for what he gives you on the ice. I'd like to see Tinordi push Emelin out but I'm afraid Therrien likes Emelin and his "toughness" and he and Bergevin still seem unwilling to commit to developing Tinordi at the NHL level. But with Petry in the mix now at $5.5 million, I think it's more important to get more value. Beaulieu sure helps but replacing Emelin with Tinordi on the 3rd pair would allow us to allocate more dollars up front and I honestly don't think we would suffer a drop on the ice. Decision-making seems to be a weakness for both players but I don't think Tinordi is worse than Emelin in that regard and I like his upside better. I would still like to keep Emelin. I think that once Petry pushed both Emelin and Gilbert down the line, the latter two started to play much better. I don't think that's coincidental. I'm also concerned about depth; yes, we have eight potential NHL defensemen at the moment, but if you trade Emelin and then say somebody else gets hurt… not much more to call up. So I like the depth that Emelin helps contribute to. Having said that, there is that lack of scoring. Personally I don't feel the same urgency to address the scoring this summer as others do, but that's just me and I'm occasionally wrong. Just occasionally though. Not more than six or seven times per post. Aside from believing that we did just fine (regular season) without this mythical Top Six Scorer, I also think that an improvement in the power-play alone will help alleviate some of these concerns. Granted this is a big if, but it's also not overly dependent on the Top Six Scorer, if you ask me. There is enough talent on the roster already to have a better power-play. The guy to get rid of, in my opinion, is Parenteau. At $4 million he brings MUCH less than Emelin does at $4.1 million, but of course that makes trading him all that much more difficult. BLNY has suggested buying Parenteau out, and while that is an option I still think he's tradable, especially if we retain salary. If Bergevin manages to trade him WITHOUT retaining salary… well, call the statue contractor because we're going to need a new one. Even if he keeps Parenteau for next season he can still dump him at the deadline. In fact, it might make it easier for Bergevin to make a Big Trade, as he will have a big salary to send back and clear up space, which won't hurt his roster, and which will be attractive to his trade partner because they won't actually be on the hook for much of that salary, and for only a couple more months. Other teams that are competing with Bergevin for the Big Trade may not have $4 million in cap space to dump to get said scorer, or if they do it will be in the guise of a much more impactful player than Parenteau. Thanks for the plug . I'll suffice it by saying that I jump to buyout because I don't readily see a taker. Berg will have to shop him to teams at the cap floor looking to be sure they're above it. Arizona perhaps. Failing that, I don't see a taker. I wouldn't eat more than $1 million though. As for Emelin, I get the trepidation. With Petry, he looked the best he's looked since the knee injury. Sure we could move him and put Beau in his place, but Nathan isn't the physical presence. Tinordi and Pateryn can be, but aren't ready for top 4 minutes yet.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 3, 2015 12:25:42 GMT -5
... heck, with this coach it'd be 2-1 games if we had Gretzky and Lemieux in their primes. Tell that to Max Pacioretty, dude ... you know, I keep coming back to the difference in work ethics between the regular season and the playoffs ... I honestly don't know where that effort came from in the playoffs ... the Habs were just taking it to the Bolts in four of those games and the only thing missing was a little luck ... had just two/three of those posts gone the other way I think we'd have been playing the Rangers and, yes, I feel we could have gotten past them, too ... as for goals, I'm wondering if maybe Marc Bergevin feels that Michael McCarron might be that big, no.1 centre we've been asking about since Bobby Smith left town ... after hearing his end-season presser I got the impression that bringing in any of the players we've discussed, Eric Staal, et al, is just too expensive to take a gamble on ... having said that, I don't like the idea of taking a chance on Nail Yakupov ... sure, he had good chemistry with Alex Galchenyuk, but he's just too much of a risk and I suspect Bergevin would have to overpay to bring him in ... I'd take a chance on Jordan Eberle, sure, but while I was at it I'd also ask about Leon Draisaitl ... if overpayment is an issue then I'd much rather take the chance at either one of them ... but, hey, you never know ... McCarron could impress this year at camp ... who knows ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jun 3, 2015 12:35:39 GMT -5
Luck and a decent PP. If the PP wasn't such a suck on momentum ...
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Post by Salama on Jun 3, 2015 12:48:31 GMT -5
Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Plekanec and Gallagher in the top 6, Eller and Wiese carrying the 3rd line, five good D-men and a great goalie. Good start.
Just need to turn Desharnais and Parenteau into one decent top 6 forward through some sort of alchemy and a draft pick or prospect, then have a young talent emerge for the other spot.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 3, 2015 12:52:13 GMT -5
I was listening to the radio last night on the ride home and the main topic of discussion was Petry. In theory this should improve the transition game. What grabbed my attention though was the point that we don't have high skilled players for our forwards to continue that push. In the end, the play is to chip it in and retrieve it. This becomes a problem because we just aren't built for it like LA or Anaheim. We do have some good players, but they aren't skilled forwards. In my opinion there is only 1 that can dipsy doodle and put someone's jock strap in the crowd and that is Alex Galchenyuk. That's just not enough. So we are stuck with an identity problem. We know Max will give you 35 from all spots on the ice and Brendan will give you 20 from 5 feet from the net but neither and puck possession skill or skilled heavy power forward bangers. So which way are we going?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 3, 2015 13:01:51 GMT -5
Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Plekanec and Gallagher in the top 6, Eller and Wiese carrying the 3rd line, five good D-men and a great goalie. Good start. Just need to turn Desharnais and Parenteau into one decent top 6 forward through some sort of alchemy and a draft pick or prospect, then have a young talent emerge for the other spot. Good to see you checking in, Salama ... good start, indeed ... don't be a stranger man ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 3, 2015 13:19:42 GMT -5
I can see Sure Bet and Big Mac making a huge impression at camp. They both had great seasons and should do well.
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Post by Andrew on Jun 3, 2015 13:24:06 GMT -5
Love the signing!
I don't think that any of our D will be moved to free up cap space. We know that MB loves his depth on D, and to have less than 8 capable NHL defensemen going into the playoffs is not his style. I believe that this is a group of 8 that he'll be comfortable with for next season and playoffs.
Markov - Subban Emelin - Petry Beaulieu - Gilbert Tinordi - Peteryn
I will expect that Markov's role is reduced next season, however. Would taking him off the PK be sufficient, or does he also need easier 5v5 minutes in a 2nd or 3rd pairing? If so are Beaulieu or Emelin ready for top pairing responsibilities beside Subban?
I agree that Parenteau is the logical odd man out to free up space. I think he could be replaced from within (Hudon mabye?).
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 3, 2015 13:26:46 GMT -5
Any chance McCarron makes the leap this year?
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Post by seventeen on Jun 3, 2015 13:35:44 GMT -5
Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Plekanec and Gallagher in the top 6, Eller and Wiese carrying the 3rd line, five good D-men and a great goalie. Good start. Just need to turn Desharnais and Parenteau into one decent top 6 forward through some sort of alchemy and a draft pick or prospect, then have a young talent emerge for the other spot. Good to see you checking in, Salama ... good start, indeed ... don't be a stranger man ... Cheers. I was going to say that and you beat me to it, Dis. I'd even take Voodoo magic in place of alchemy, but that's the right direction. To deal with Tankdriver's very good question, I'd like to see us be a speed team. In our history, when we were winning, we were always known as the best skating club. You can't say that today. We wouldn't be able to keep up with any of the last 4 teams in this years playoffs. That's what we should aspire to. We are slowest at the back end, where skating is becoming critical to negate forechecking pressure. PK is a strong, agile skater with great lateral mobility, but I wouldn't put him in a foot race with the Doughty's, Keith's and Eriksson's of the world. Fortunately, his strength and agility make up for the speed. Markov is, well, Markov. Gilbert isn't fast, Emelin isn't fast. They're ok, but not fast. I think our standards for speed have to go up and as they do, our ability to compete against the top teams will also improve. Speed kills. Always has and always will.
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Post by blny on Jun 3, 2015 13:38:17 GMT -5
Any chance McCarron makes the leap this year? Perhaps, but I don't see him filling the role we need filled most.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 3, 2015 13:54:51 GMT -5
He should get 2nd pair PP duties, removing Emelin from the PP (in theory, naturally.) I see the PP point men being any combination of Subban, Markov, Petry and Beaulieu. He should but I am not so sure he will. The practice last season was to use Subban-Markov on the PP for as long as possible. The vast majority of the PPs Subban played the entire 2 minutes, or played virtually the entire PP as to not allow enough time for anyone else to do anything. Even though Petry only played 19 games with the Habs, he still (let's exclude Gonchar, because he is not going to be on the team next year) had the third most PP time on the team (1:40 per game). Petry had ZERO PP points last season for the Habs. Petry's most common linemate last season was Tom Gilbert, followed closely by Emelin. I'm not sure it's a given that Petry will play with Emelin. In fact, I would think the plan is to play him with Beaulieu next season, as Montreal prefers to keep pairings and lines together for their PP. Petry played most of his PP time with Subban last season (9:15), but he also played 9:00 with Gilbert and 7:05 with Beaulieu. I have to think that next season they will want Beaulieu out there more than Gilbert. So that leaves Gilbert on the third pairing with Emelin - and of course the stunted development once again of Jared Tinordi. I like Petry, but I'd prefer goals. I don't see Petry improving that no matter how good he is in transition (still have to have the finishers). And he certainly did not help our PP in the 31 games he was on the team, in fact, I believe the PP got worse since his acquisition - though no fault of his, just they had no intention of using him there. As for having time ... it's not like we don't have recent history to show us that we can finish high in the standings one year, and miss (or nearly miss) the next year. If we are waiting for next year's crop of UFAs, basically tossing next year away, (or hoping to be in the mix by the deadline if Price is merely above average)if that's the plan, then we will have a window of 2 years to win the Cup with this core. Price is UFA in 2018, and he will command the Royal Mint!
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Post by franko on Jun 3, 2015 14:01:14 GMT -5
... heck, with this coach it'd be 2-1 games if we had Gretzky and Lemieux in their primes. Tell that to Max Pacioretty, dude ... not sure of the meaning, Dis. that Max is on a leash and isn't allowed to go all out? or that he doesn't have the players at his side to make a difference? agree. or that Max had almost 40 goals. true . . . in a bunch of 2-1ish games. we can't run and gun, but I'm sure coaching holds our scoring down (see: PP). heck, we scored almost as many goals on the PK in the playoffs as we did PP goals. and if the complaint is that the coach can't score goals and that the players on the ice were too set in their ways/predictable, I'll agree . . . so the coach should maybe . . . I don't know . . . put different players on the ice?
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