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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 5, 2015 6:48:18 GMT -5
Having Petry should allow us to spend less time in our end. Which means more time in the other teams end. Which should mean more goals over the course of the season. As long as our goal to post ratio does not remain the same as it was during the playoffs, we should be all right. A top ten pp would be nice too. lol... That's some fancy analytics there Disp... GoalstoPost percentage (G2P%).
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Post by jkr on Jun 5, 2015 9:07:18 GMT -5
Love the signing! I don't think that any of our D will be moved to free up cap space. We know that MB loves his depth on D, and to have less than 8 capable NHL defensemen going into the playoffs is not his style. That's nice and all, but in a capped world having 8 NHL calibre dman is a bit of a luxury. And it could come at a cost in other areas. They key is to look at your 3rd pair and determine how much value they provide over a cheaper or replacement level player. IMO, Emelin and Gilbert are our 5th and 6th dmen in terms of ability and they cost us almost $7 million in combined salary. That's A LOT!! We save money with Beaulieu who gives us great value, but that's expensive depth. And does anyone even know who Chicago's 5th and 6th D are? I had to look it up. You can get by with cheap, average players on the bottom pair if the top 4 is good enough. And those guys aren't hard to find either internally or externally. Plus you end up relegating Tinordi and Pateryn to AHL status. I think we could easily have them as our 3rd pair over Emelin and Gilbert without missing a beat. And then find the depth later if you need it. Too much depth can be bad if it's too expensive and it limits your flexibility in other areas. Chicago was OK on D until Rosival broke his ankle in the Wild series - before they even started the Ducks series. According to ESPN.com he averaged 17 minutes a game so it's a big hole to fill.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 5, 2015 9:37:57 GMT -5
Sure. My point is that depth can be found if you need it and it's possible to have too much of it.
The fact is that both Tinordi and Pateryn are NHL dmen. At a minimum they can play 3rd pair minutes in this league. I'm not sure you can say that about Mac Bennett, Morgan Ellis, or Magnus Nygren. So if those guys end up back in the AHL next year it won't be because they still need seasoning in the minors, it will be because their spots are blocked by Emelin and Gilbert.
Berg can wax on about the need for depth, but the problem is the contract situation of those guys. And I also think the line that "the players need to force us to make decisions" is a bit of a sound bite. Tinordi has been jerked around for a few years, but we can't pretend that the contracts in place don't matter. Of course this assumes that a 3rd pair of Tinordi and Pateryn is just as capable as Emelin and Gilbert, which I believe it is. And when you factor in the contracts it's a no-brainer. Emelin and Gilbert cost $7 million while Tinordi amd Pateryn would cost less than 20% of that!
I didn't like the way Berg handled the end-of-year presser and I'll be even less happy if he just tinkers around the edges this summer. Signing Galchenyuk and Beaulieu to bridge deals is going to eat up just about all the cap space we have left, leaving him little room to do anything else. The best path is to move Emelin to maybe EDM or a team with lots of cap space so that we don't need to take back equal salary. We then use the cap space, either immediately or during the year, to be in position to add an offensive player.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 5, 2015 10:13:44 GMT -5
What we sometimes forget when we analyze Berg's and Therrien's comments is that they are master manipulators, especially if it concerns a player whose contract is expiring and they need to re-sign him. Before siging his bridge contract and his last contract PK was our best D, but the responses from Berg and Therrien were lukewarm. Remember all our disappointment over how soft their support for him for the Olympic team was? Remember how disappointed, and perhaps angry, Berg was when he had to pay $9MM to PK?
From being our absolutely, definitely, written in stone big centre, Galchy now may never play centre. Oh yeah, his contract is up. I suspect once he's signed, Galchy will once again be our top centre prospect. That's what I forgot about Beaulieu, that his contract was coming up. He goes from being THE hot prospect to third line minutes and a reduced role.
It sure seems to me that if they foresee a contract problem and would prefer paying a player less, the situation gets manipulated so that the player comes off looking less prominent than he might otherwise be.
Is this too much of a conspiracy outlook? There seems to be enough smoke here for there to be a fire. This approach doesn't work, of course, when the player is approaching UFA status because then they can walk, so Berg has to play the game more fairly. I'm not sure I like that approach. Cranky probably loves the bottom line attitude, but I wonder if it affect the player's attitude toward management. There's only so often you can say, "It's a business", without getting ticked off about it. On the plus side, you may be able to sign a player for less, and improve the team's CAP. I'm not sure I'd do it, though. I prefer to be completely honest with the player.
In any case, it's not a bad idea to keep this in mind when trying to figure out what Berg is doing or thinking.
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Post by Disp on Jun 5, 2015 10:33:29 GMT -5
Having Petry should allow us to spend less time in our end. Which means more time in the other teams end. Which should mean more goals over the course of the season. As long as our goal to post ratio does not remain the same as it was during the playoffs, we should be all right. A top ten pp would be nice too. lol... That's some fancy analytics there Disp... GoalstoPost percentage (G2P%). It probably says more about why we lost than any other analytical measurement.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 5, 2015 10:56:08 GMT -5
What we sometimes forget when we analyze Berg's and Therrien's comments is that they are master manipulators, especially if it concerns a player whose contract is expiring and they need to re-sign him..... In any case, it's not a bad idea to keep this in mind when trying to figure out what Berg is doing or thinking. I totally agree with that, 17. Pay attention to what I do, not what I say. So I will give Berg a pass on public comments like "we are a team in transition" or Galchenyuk "may never be a centre". There are different ways to fix a problem. but you first have to acknowledge that there is a problem and then find the best way. Our problem is lack of scoring, both even-strength and PP. Does Galchenyuk need to be moved to centre to help solve that? Not necessarily. If the best spot for him to score 30-35 goals and deliver 70+ points is from the wing then so be it. So we have challenges up front and too much money/depth on the blue line. But I expect Berg to address these issues at the most opportune time. Ideally that would be over the summer, but I also get that you need a trade partner to make a deal and sometimes the best deal doesn't materialize until later. Except for Emelin. I'd dump him as soon as possible if we can and give Tinordi a full camp as a rotation player.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 5, 2015 11:26:43 GMT -5
Agree. I don't think the drop off from Emelin to Tinordi, especially if Tinordi is given real minutes and allowed to gain some confidence. After a year, I'd like to think Tinordi would be his equal in most respects. Emelin is a strong hitter, but his reading of the game lacks something. The gain in CAP space, for a couple of years, anyway, would really help to fix the offensive side of things.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 5, 2015 12:33:19 GMT -5
It's way to early to pass judgement on this move. Is this just the beginning of their off season plan? How many more moves will they make before October?
Right now I think the Petry signing was a good move, we have a good puck moving defender for a reasonable price. He's a player that wants to be a Hab long term. He fits right into the age group of the core of the team. Unlike some opinions, I believe that this signing helps address our lack of scoring. He is very capable of moving the puck out of the defensive zone quickly to our forwards. He can also run a power play.
He's not a big centre we are hoping for, but I believe that perhaps his staying with the team gives the management a few more options when it does come time to move a few bodies.
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