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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 29, 2015 10:43:19 GMT -5
Renaud Lavoie's tweet is causing the expected buzz over on certain boards. He just tweeted that Frolik has Montreal as his top UFA destination and that he trains in Montreal each summer.
He would be one of my few targets for forwards this UFA season.
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Post by halihab on Jun 29, 2015 11:05:53 GMT -5
Renaud Lavoie's tweet is causing the expected buzz over on certain boards. He just tweeted that Frolik has Montreal as his top UFA destination and that he trains in Montreal each summer. He would be one of my few targets for forwards this UFA season. I agree NWT - Frolik is the only UFA that I would consider. I think he could fit in nicely. Skates well and can score.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 29, 2015 11:29:08 GMT -5
Wow, Buffalo placing Cody Hodgson on waivers for purposes of a buyout. Always liked that kid, as did the Habs drafting team according to reports.
Hmmmm.
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Post by jkr on Jun 29, 2015 11:49:42 GMT -5
Wow, Buffalo placing Cody Hodgson on waivers for purposes of a buyout. Always liked that kid, as did the Habs drafting team according to reports. Hmmmm. The guy was a great junior & a high pick & is only one year removed from a 20 goal season. He's only 25. If he's available when the Habs pick on the wire I would give him a look.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 29, 2015 12:24:10 GMT -5
I don't know. I guess I'm a little paranoid about what I would consider mid-level UFAs like Frolik. On the one hand, they aren't as expensive as the Tier 1 UFAs, so there seems to be more value and less downside. But on the other hand, you still have to overpay for these guys and it seems we end up disappointed anyway.
Frolik is a nice enough player but hasn't cracked 20 goals since 2009-10 and his career high is 21 goals. He's young at 27 years old and I suspect he'd cost somewhere around $4 million for 4-5 years. Do we really need to pay that for a 2nd/3rd line winger? I want more scoring as much as anyone, but I'd rather try and land a big fish rather than the play-it-safe moves that led to the additions of Briere and Parenteau.
If not a big move, then I'd rather see what we have with a guy like Hudon or Andrighetto. I bet one of those guys could score 10 goals with a regular shift and I would put the over/under on Frolik at 15 goals. So why overpay for an extra 5 goals? Berg has just written off Parenteau and I don't want to see him make that mistake again. Why do we think Frolik would be any better?
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Post by seventeen on Jun 29, 2015 12:32:33 GMT -5
Can the Canucks say they won the trade? Perhaps until they place Kassian on waivers.
There's sure been a lot of discussion on PaP's buyout. This feels like another tempest in a teapot matter to me. I'd think we can find another 15 goal scorer somewhere. Parenteau's skating wasn't up to snuff for me. Speed has gone from important to critical now and we're going to have to upgrade everywhere in that capacity. I sure hope Chucky's been working on that first step of his. (I mention Alex because he has a ton of upside, especially if he can improve his quickness and acceleration, but he's no where near the top of the list of guys whose skating has to be better for us to compete successfully). The worst offender is probably Markov, but I don't see any change happening there. We'll have to live with his lack of foot speed and hope he makes up for it with his anticipation, smarts and hands. Put him with Petry, who has plenty of speed.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 29, 2015 12:52:04 GMT -5
I don't know. I guess I'm a little paranoid about what I would consider mid-level UFAs like Frolik. On the one hand, they aren't as expensive as the Tier 1 UFAs, so there seems to be more value and less downside. But on the other hand, you still have to overpay for these guys and it seems we end up disappointed anyway. Frolik is a nice enough player but hasn't cracked 20 goals since 2009-10 and his career high is 21 goals. He's young at 27 years old and I suspect he'd cost somewhere around $4 million for 4-5 years. Do we really need to pay that for a 2nd/3rd line winger? I want more scoring as much as anyone, but I'd rather try and land a big fish rather than the play-it-safe moves that led to the additions of Briere and Parenteau. If not a big move, then I'd rather see what we have with a guy like Hudon or Andrighetto. I bet one of those guys could score 10 goals with a regular shift and I would put the over/under on Frolik at 15 goals. So why overpay for an extra 5 goals? Berg has just written off Parenteau and I don't want to see him make that mistake again. Why do we think Frolik would be any better? My thoughts exactly. Heck, I would probably keep Parenteau, and then just bury him in the AHL if somebody outshines him, as opposed to signing another $4 million flop. I guess the difference with Frolic is he's somewhat younger than Cole/Ryder/Briere/Parenteau. But still.
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Post by franko on Jun 29, 2015 13:24:43 GMT -5
I think we're going to miss PAP . . . especially those shootout goals in the playoffs.
hold it . . .
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2015 13:28:47 GMT -5
If Frolik could put up 40-50 points it wouldn't be a bad signing. He's coming off a $3.3 million one year deal. Produced 42 points each of the last two years. Certainly better than the previous RWs. Decent size, good skater. Has he ever played with Plekanec? Both are from Kladno. He's not a 'sexy' pick. It would be a 'safe' move I suppose. Berg would have to weight whatever he thinks Frolik could produce against a prospect given the same opportunity - and then MT would have to allow the kid the opportunity.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 29, 2015 13:53:21 GMT -5
I guess PAP has been bought out.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 29, 2015 13:57:41 GMT -5
Frolik has decent wheels and plays a better 200 foot game than PAP. That would at least keep a certain head coach happier.
The problem is that contracts on July 1st are likely going to be quite inflated due to the weak UFA class. Frolik might be worth a shot, but so much depends on price tag and term. I just don't see Berg chasing.
Berg did mention that this buyout gives him more flexibility and a chance for a prospect to make the team. Once again...full truth or partial misdirection? I am guessing a lot depends on what the price tags are on July 1st (for the very few that should even be considered) and what trades play out or fall apart between now and training camp.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 29, 2015 14:09:53 GMT -5
I guess PAP has been bought out. Another reason to tread lightly on UFAs. You can almost add the retained cap hit on PA's buyout to the $4+ million it would cost to sign a guy like Frolik. Like BC said, you might as well keep Parenteau and bury him in the AHL to avoid the cap hit all together. Better to save the cap space and create a nice competition in camp for a top 9 forward rather than overpay on Frolik. IMO, Berg needs to do his work on the development side (i.e. getting our offensive prospects to reach potential) and the trade front. I'd stay away from the UFAs this year.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 29, 2015 14:30:31 GMT -5
The Habs now sit at 37 signed contracts after PAP's buyout, and five RFAs with QOs who will likely sign (Chucky, Tinordi, Flynn, Bournival, Thomas). That gets the team up to 42 NHL (one-way or two-way) contracts heading into July 1st. They cannot field a full roster for both Montreal and St. John's with only 42 players, so I expect some activity will occur filling out some depth at a minimum.
They will no doubt sign some more guys to AHL/ECHL deals (they currently only have two: McNally and Didier) as they will have to have a full AHL roster and will need to send some guys down to their new ECHL affiliate in Brampton. I expect some of the guys invited to this weekend's development camp will be under consideration for AHL/ECHL deals or better if they really impress.
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2015 15:34:08 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jun 29, 2015 15:40:02 GMT -5
Frolik has decent wheels and plays a better 200 foot game than PAP. That would at least keep a certain head coach happier. The problem is that contracts on July 1st are likely going to be quite inflated due to the weak UFA class. Frolik might be worth a shot, but so much depends on price tag and term. I just don't see Berg chasing. Berg did mention that this buyout gives him more flexibility and a chance for a prospect to make the team. Once again...full truth or partial misdirection? I am guessing a lot depends on what the price tags are on July 1st (for the very few that should even be considered) and what trades play out or fall apart between now and training camp. Clearly the asking price plays a huge part. If you could sign him before Beleskey drives the price for all up, maybe you get him for the same salary he made last season. With PAP's remainder of $1.3 million per year (if Berg chose to spread it out over 2 seasons), that's a total of $4.6 million if you could. You could also structure the deal with July 1 bonuses that don't count against the cap (if he'd go for it). If he wanted $4 million a year, maybe he'd go for $1 million bonuses on July 1 of each year of the deal, and $3 million in salary. If he's the player you want, never hurts to ask. And hey, he's got a Cup ring.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 2, 2015 8:49:49 GMT -5
Apologies if this info is on the board somewhere in the various trades/deals threads….but I just heard Shanahan say that PAP signed with the Leafs for one year.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 2, 2015 9:52:19 GMT -5
Apologies if this info is on the board somewhere in the various trades/deals threads….but I just heard Shanahan say that PAP signed with the Leafs for one year. He did at about $1.5. No doubt he'll get some points when he plays the Habs put will be a no show the rest of the time. Keep building Leafs. Keep building. I'm very pleased with Shanahan's new direction so far. Won't be a playoff contender for 4 or 5 years at the earliest.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 2, 2015 9:59:44 GMT -5
That might be a good idea for a thread. Which Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup next?
Hint: I won't pick the Habs.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 2, 2015 10:19:02 GMT -5
That might be a good idea for a thread. Which Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup next? Hint: I won't pick the Habs. Why not? Toronto Ottawa Vancouver WinnipegAre years away!! CalgaryIs looking good, but they really need a goaltender and some elite top 6 players. EdmontonIs the wild card IMO, they added some good players this year....however, I still feel that they are a few years away. MontrealHas been one of the best teams in the NHL over the last few years, yes we do lack that top 6 player as well, but our goaltending and defence is one of the best in the entire league. Also, one could argue that our bottom 6 is as well. If we can pick up a elite UFA at the trade deadline (there are lots available thus far) it could put us over the top!!
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Post by jkr on Jul 3, 2015 6:43:07 GMT -5
Apologies if this info is on the board somewhere in the various trades/deals threads….but I just heard Shanahan say that PAP signed with the Leafs for one year. He did at about $1.5. No doubt he'll get some points when he plays the Habs put will be a no show the rest of the time. Keep building Leafs. Keep building. I'm very pleased with Shanahan's new direction so far. Won't be a playoff contender for 4 or 5 years at the earliest. The Leafs must have got a call from Berkshire at Eyes on the Prize. There was an article towards the end of the season that stated Parenteau was the answer to the Habs offensive woes.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 3, 2015 12:27:39 GMT -5
He did at about $1.5. No doubt he'll get some points when he plays the Habs put will be a no show the rest of the time. Keep building Leafs. Keep building. I'm very pleased with Shanahan's new direction so far. Won't be a playoff contender for 4 or 5 years at the earliest. The Leafs must have got a call from Berkshire at Eyes on the Prize. There was an article towards the end of the season that stated Parenteau was the answer to the Habs offensive woes. I read that too and thought at the time of he was that good he'd still be on the Avs
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Post by seventeen on Jul 3, 2015 12:43:33 GMT -5
Yup. Good shot, but he needs space and if he has the right centre to create that space for him, he can be productive. Then again, so can a lot of other wingers if they had the same space and time. How do we get ahold of John Tavares?
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