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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 1, 2015 13:58:19 GMT -5
All the hype over the Kassian vs Hodgson trade is a moot point now. Both no longer with the teams that traded for them.
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jul 1, 2015 13:59:04 GMT -5
Both Prust and Kassian are essentially 3rd/4th liners but Kassian, at age 24, at least has the potential to be more. As much as I loved Prust, he's not going to get any better at age 31 and with him being a year away from UFA, Berg wasn't going to re-sign him anyways.
It may be an experiment, but by giving away only Prust, it's worth the gamble. Kassian is younger, cheaper and bigger and has way more potential than Prust. Personally, I've always liked Kassian, since his draft year, so I'm happy with this move. Let's see if he can do better than he's done in Buffalo and Van City.
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Post by franko on Jul 1, 2015 14:06:20 GMT -5
All the hype over the Kassian vs Hodgson trade is a moot point now. Both no longer with the teams that traded for them. maybe Hodgson goes back to Van
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Post by Disp on Jul 1, 2015 14:06:31 GMT -5
MB is looking for a bargain-basement-breakout type move.
Maybe Kassian will grow up and get it together. It happens.
Or he could just drive us nuts.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 1, 2015 14:10:13 GMT -5
All the hype over the Kassian vs Hodgson trade is a moot point now. Both no longer with the teams that traded for them. maybe Hodgson goes back to Van Not this year. Signed a contract with Nashville today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 14:14:52 GMT -5
Plusses: younger, cheaper, rfa, upside, more goals, bigger, got 5th round pick.. Minuses: lost leadership.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 1, 2015 14:15:47 GMT -5
I love(d) Prusty but it's time. He's been slowing down. I like the trade, Kassian is immature and may never grow up. BUT he may also be a legitimate top 6. He's now at the age where he has to take the next step. If he doesn't we gave up Prust for a bust but Prust is replaceable. If Kassian turns out to be the power forward many scouts and gms anticipated, this is a steal. Much rather this deal than some FA signing which costs much more $$ and does not have the potential upside of Kassian. Don't know if he ever got a fair shot in Vanc as the fans were so upset about losing Hodgson. What do they know. I think this is a calculated gamble and I like it. Minimal downside with huge upside.
Warning: Zach can be a bit of a head case but perhaps some strong leadership will shake that.
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 1, 2015 14:19:41 GMT -5
We won't care about younger and cheaper when MT has him planted in the pressbox for lack of effort
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2015 14:29:22 GMT -5
I'll put it this way: if were to valuate Prust prior to today, what would we put his value at? 3rd rounder at best? Berg gets a player with unrealized potential and a 5th round pick back, saves 750k, and gets the RFA in the deal. Kassian's warts aside, the return isn't horrible value. Berg is trading a 4th line middleweight who can kill penalties, but has shoulder problems and doesn't fight as much as he used to. Yeah, he's a leader. Only the room knows how much he kept guys accountable. Timmins' ability to find strong prospects in the 5th round, getting that pick instead of having to give one up is a bonus. add to that the fact that if MB did nothing we'd/I'd be howling for him to get moving. Van fans haven't liked Kassian from the beginning/didn't like the deal; he hasn't fit in and Benning and Desjardins are glad to see him go. experiment? sure. fresh start? sure. if it fails he's be gone at the deadline. that being said, I'd like to see a top-6 move and see some scoring, but as long as MT is coaching there's no use MB getting that. Franko i heard MT went on a vision quest and exercised the demons of the 2 Jacques (Martin and Lemaire) and this season it'll be balls to the wall offense
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2015 14:29:33 GMT -5
I love(d) Prusty but it's time. He's been slowing down. I like the trade, Kassian is immature and may never grow up. BUT he may also be a legitimate top 6. He's now at the age where he has to take the next step. If he doesn't we gave up Prust for a bust but Prust is replaceable. If Kassian turns out to be the power forward many scouts and gms anticipated, this is a steal. Much rather this deal than some FA signing which costs much more $$ and does not have the potential upside of Kassian. Don't know if he ever got a fair shot in Vanc as the fans were so upset about losing Hodgson. What do they know. I think this is a calculated gamble and I like it. Minimal downside with huge upside. Warning: Zach can be a bit of a head case but perhaps some strong leadership will shake that. I couldn't say it better myself.... I know everyone will hate it but he will likely be playing top 6 RW minutes as we are desperate to get some jam into our lineup... We tried with DSP and Weise and Prust. I guess it takes time and a lot of shuffling to get the right chemistry. He's got some wheels and good hands for passing or goals.... Looking for the toolbox
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2015 14:32:47 GMT -5
It will be very funny if he works out... first Weise then Kassian... nucks fans won't want their team to make trades with the habs.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2015 14:50:30 GMT -5
This is sad Brendan Gallagher Brendan Gallagher – Verified account @bgally17 Great teammate moving on, Good luck @brandonprust8 hope you'll be alright without me # ? http://instagram.com/p/4mwKwzLOLm
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Post by franko on Jul 1, 2015 14:51:24 GMT -5
let us know how you really feel . . .
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Post by jkr on Jul 1, 2015 15:10:56 GMT -5
let us know how you really feel . . . This guy is a moron. All that emotion over this deal. What a tool.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2015 15:11:07 GMT -5
Horrible trade. Been watching Kassian night after night here in Vancouver. Takes most every night off. Takes lazy undisciplined penalties. Could only put up points playing with Sedins. All the upside in the world but LAZY. Another poorly conceived experiment in my opinion. Not expecting him to finish the year in Montreal. In return for a heart and soul player? I wouldn't necessarily use 'lazy' to describe him but he's no greyhound. Otherwise agree totally. Hockey sense isn't good. He'll put up two points in a game and you'll think he's finally getting it and then he'll go 10 games and you won't notice him at all. He's had back problems so maybe that's it but I would never have done this trade.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2015 15:18:11 GMT -5
I also think you'll find his skating isn't anywhere near where it has to be with the league speeding up. So we've given away a part of team chemistry for a 5th rounder and som small Cap relief. Berg is not helping my opinion of him with these small moves that get us nowhere but perhaps placate some media and fans.
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 1, 2015 15:22:14 GMT -5
Jim Benning quoted as saying they worked and worked with him including Linden and Smyl and referenced off ice problems although he wouldn't elaborate.
"It's a fine line of being a pro".
Sounds positive doesn't it
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2015 15:26:03 GMT -5
Jim Benning quoted as saying they worked and worked with him including Linden and Smyl and referenced off ice problems although he wouldn't elaborate. "It's a fine line of being a pro". Sounds positive doesn't it Classy organization the Canucks got going over there. Off ice issues sounds alarming...hopefully something he can work on
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2015 15:28:55 GMT -5
let us know how you really feel . . . This guy should review Benning's deals , and then tell me Bergevin is the worst GM .... Bergevin is a good GM, he is just too conservative right now whe our window is about 3 yrs in length. Benning's is just terrible at asset management with the Canucks
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 1, 2015 15:30:14 GMT -5
Jim Benning quoted as saying they worked and worked with him including Linden and Smyl and referenced off ice problems although he wouldn't elaborate. "It's a fine line of being a pro". Sounds positive doesn't it Classy organization the Canucks got going over there. Off ice issues sounds alarming...hopefully something he can work on It's ironic that when I think of who on the Habs should mentor him I think of Brandon Prust
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Post by franko on Jul 1, 2015 15:38:58 GMT -5
let us know how you really feel . . . This guy should review Benning's deals , and then tell me Bergevin is the worst GM .... Bergevin is a good GM, he is just too conservative right now whe our window is about 3 yrs in length. Benning's is just terrible at asset management with the Canucks Many Nucks fans agree with your assessment.
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Post by HFTO on Jul 1, 2015 16:09:57 GMT -5
I don't mind the experiment if Kassian has half his head on straight he will double Brandon's goal output...younger bigger stronger....and still a glimmer he turns into something....he maybe another Tangrdi so for a late pick and a bit more salary in the coffers it's worth the experiment. I love Prust but he is a diminishing asset if this fails the Habsrus move on with a pick in hand.
HFTO
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Post by Polarice on Jul 1, 2015 16:18:02 GMT -5
I love Prust....I have his name on my sweater!!
However, when you look at the two players side by side you have to favor Kassian by far. Really it's no contest.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 1, 2015 16:21:03 GMT -5
I'll echo a lot of what has already been said here; Prust was a warrior, a great leader and character player. We needed him, and he delivered on exactly everything we needed him to deliver on.
Having said that, he was a diminishing asset and we all knew it. IF he was to resign here after next season (and I think he would have and perhaps maybe still will) he would have had to of done so at a greatly reduced rate. He's also a fighter in a league that is rapidly moving away from fighting, provides little to no offence, and while he is a GREAT leader this is the strongest Canadiens dressing room we have seen in quite some time. So perhaps the dressing room can take that hit.
Kassian provides a little more offense, more size, more cap room, and some potential. I'm not sold on him ever becoming a 20 goal scorer, but he's not replacing a 20 goal scorer either, so there is no net loss in that regard. I saw a tweet that said that Alex Burrows said that Kassian would sometimes have lumps the size of tennis balls on his back, so that's obviously disconcerting, while at the same time revealing. For sure his first step and speed would be diminished with a back problem. Is it fixed? Can it be fixed? Back problems are notoriously chronic, so who knows. If it is, then great. If not, well again we're not losing anything in terms of on-ice production.
I'm okay with this deal. Again, I like Prust, but I think we can survive his loss. This is low risk, medium return kind of gamble, if you ask me. Doubtful that it will hurt the team, and there is a moderate chance it will improve them, either with Kassian or with the 5th rounder or with the extra cap space being used on something else.
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 1, 2015 16:44:47 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2015 17:19:06 GMT -5
I love Prust....I have his name on my sweater!! However, when you look at the two players side by side you have to favor Kassian by far. Really it's no contest. Kassian will wear his number so all you need is a new name banner.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2015 18:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2015 18:48:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 18:54:45 GMT -5
I'm indifferent. Prust has been ineffective for a long time, and I was not impressed with him in the series against Tampa. Not sure if Kassian will fit, but it's a plugger for a plugger. Craig Button on TSN is furious saying that this is a bad trade for us, but I don't get it.
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Post by franko on Jul 1, 2015 19:29:34 GMT -5
I Craig Button on TSN is furious saying that this is a bad trade for us that settles it. if Button is against it, I'm for it.
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