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Post by habsorbed on Jul 5, 2015 12:15:00 GMT -5
Glad to hear he isn't done ... If he is, I'm dreading the upcoming season. Do you have any suggestions about how Bergevin can upgrade the Habs? Sign Semin or Kostitsyn? Bring up Scherbak and/or McCarron? I can't think of much else. I'm not expecting anything soon, if ever from Scherbak or McCarron. Maybe they live up tho their hype but as I recall that didn't occur with other top draft players (see LeBlanc and Tinordi). If I was MB i'd be approaching Martin St. Louis. I don't think he wanted to retire. If he did, he would not have waited until the beginning of July to see what he could fetch as an FA. He either got no offers or ones he wasn't please with so he decided to hang them up. So their is some reluctance to retire. An opportunity to wear the red, white and blue of his roots just might tempt him back. Certainly worth a flyer at one season for a couple of million. Both sides win.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 5, 2015 18:28:11 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 5, 2015 18:36:53 GMT -5
Andrie kostitsyn seems to be saying all the right things and all...maybe it would be safer to sign a brad Boyes ...at least you know what you get... kostitsyn I have no idea as he as all the talent but no consistency
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Post by jkr on Jul 5, 2015 18:48:06 GMT -5
Might sound harsh but he's had his chance - in Montreal and Nashville. Let him try his luck elsewhere.
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Post by blny on Jul 5, 2015 18:55:24 GMT -5
Still has size, speed, and a shot. He put up decent points in his 19 regular season games with Preds, and their playoffs. He's only 30. I think there are worse UFA options. One year, $1 million. You could do worse.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 5, 2015 19:42:23 GMT -5
Yes, you probably could to worse and without his crackpot brother around, he might be ok. You'd have to do some due diligence on him though. Check out what he's been like the last couple of years with his previous team. Aha, that could be Scherbak's first duty...as a translator. He's conveniently around.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 5, 2015 20:25:34 GMT -5
Andrie kostitsyn seems to be saying all the right things and all...maybe it would be safer to sign a brad Boyes ...at least you know what you get... kostitsyn I have no idea as he as all the talent but no consistency Just so long as people don't think the organization is swinging for the fences ... if nothing else, a one-year contract would buy some time while the prospects develop for a season in St. John's ... Andrei Kostitsyn would be motivated and I suspect he'd be popular with the fans ... probably good for 20-25 goals ... probably ... I also think there's more leadership in the dressing room now, than there was before (no disrespect to Saku Koivu, but he didn't have a lot of support) ... they'd be able to keep him focused, me thinks ... it's a big risk but he's also a shooter and he'd be an asset on the PP ... honestly, I'd take him over Patrick Sharp ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jul 5, 2015 20:30:41 GMT -5
He put up good numbers on KHL teams that didn't have much playoff success. Andrei might be a little 'slow' between the ears, but he's definitely not the attitude problem that his brother is. Hey, he wasn't afraid to pop Chara from behind! lol www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b5TAA1OCJg
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 5, 2015 20:45:43 GMT -5
And he's a big body with moves and speed and as stated a real good shot. Be nice to have him on the pp. IIRC our pp being lethal when AK27 and AK47 were on it.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 5, 2015 20:48:56 GMT -5
He put up good numbers on KHL teams that didn't have much playoff success. Andrei might be a little 'slow' between the ears, but he's definitely not the attitude problem that his brother is. Hey, he wasn't afraid to pop Chara from behind! lol www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b5TAA1OCJgHow about this one. .. he could always lay the body m.youtube.com/watch?v=0d_eCPLES5Y
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 5, 2015 20:51:08 GMT -5
Andrie kostitsyn seems to be saying all the right things and all...maybe it would be safer to sign a brad Boyes ...at least you know what you get... kostitsyn I have no idea as he as all the talent but no consistency Just so long as people don't think the organization is swinging for the fences ... if nothing else, a one-year contract would buy some time while the prospects develop for a season in St. John's ... Andrei Kostitsyn would be motivated and I suspect he'd be popular with the fans ... probably good for 20-25 goals ... probably ... I also think there's more leadership in the dressing room now, than there was before (no disrespect to Saku Koivu, but he didn't have a lot of support) ... they'd be able to keep him focused, me thinks ... it's a big risk but he's also a shooter and he'd be an asset on the PP ... honestly, I'd take him over Patrick Sharp ... Cheers. and he's looking for a contract so that would guaranteed a years worth of effort. Add him and kassian to the top six and we are a much bigger team.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 5, 2015 21:11:05 GMT -5
And he's a big body with moves and speed and as stated a real good shot. Be nice to have him on the pp. IIRC our pp being lethal when AK27 and AK47 were on it. We already have evidence that Kostitsyn will not help the power play. Kovalev played 4 seasons with us, he got 45 power play goals in those 4 years. That's pretty darn good. Kostitsyn got significant PP time in two seasons where Kovalev was still on the team, he got 18 PP goals. Not bad at all. Without Kovalev, he played three more seasons in Montreal, playing huge PP minutes and scoring 13 goals total, in three years, that's terrible. When you think how bad our PP was this year, and Pacioretty got 7 PP goals, ...., Kostitsyn is not the answer.
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Post by blny on Jul 5, 2015 21:20:01 GMT -5
He put up good numbers on KHL teams that didn't have much playoff success. Andrei might be a little 'slow' between the ears, but he's definitely not the attitude problem that his brother is. Hey, he wasn't afraid to pop Chara from behind! lol www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b5TAA1OCJgHow about this one. .. he could always lay the body m.youtube.com/watch?v=0d_eCPLES5YKnew it would be that one . Funny that the only guys standing up for the hit were Healey and Milbury. It was shoulder on shoulder, but Andrei knew that Lucy wasn't paying attention. No idea why Lucic was admiring a drop pass.
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Post by blny on Jul 5, 2015 21:24:01 GMT -5
And he's a big body with moves and speed and as stated a real good shot. Be nice to have him on the pp. IIRC our pp being lethal when AK27 and AK47 were on it. We already have evidence that Kostitsyn will not help the power play. Kovalev played 4 seasons with us, he got 45 power play goals in those 4 years. That's pretty darn good. Kostitsyn got significant PP time in two seasons where Kovalev was still on the team, he got 18 PP goals. Not bad at all. Without Kovalev, he played three more seasons in Montreal, playing huge PP minutes and scoring 13 goals total, in three years, that's terrible. When you think how bad our PP was this year, and Pacioretty got 7 PP goals, ...., Kostitsyn is not the answer. To be fair, he wasn't the answer when Kovalev left and the role he was given. The PP was successful after Alex's departure, and driven by the likes of Cammalleri. Andrei's game was never to get set for a one timer. Off the rush is his game, which should fit with the players we have. Whether he can tee up remains to be seen.
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Post by stoat on Jul 5, 2015 23:17:26 GMT -5
I don't mind the risk with Kassian ... But it seems most, if not all, of Bergevin's moves are these experiment type moves hoping to find lightning in a bottle. At some point, you have to go all in. Our window is not that big anymore. It's 3 yrs maximum, in my opinion ... If we plan on treading water next year, that window can close pretty quick I agree that it is likely at some point MB is going to have to go all in. But given what was available this past week, I can't think of any deal, trade or FA signing, that I would have wanted MB to be part of to get a top 6 (maybe Oshie but we would have had to give up a lot more than Prust). So given the market, I'm happy with what MB did, Kassian and he did't blow his wad. We'll know by Xmas if Zach is the lighting in the bottle and if not then MB may need to consider going all in at the trade deadline. A sensible post. I think too many think there's a genie out there waiting to grant our most outlandish wishes. I don't see anything spectacular coming up.
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Post by stoat on Jul 5, 2015 23:20:07 GMT -5
Low risk move that could pay off. How many forwards have the Habs has since Gauthier traded him who scored 20+ goals?
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Post by Polarice on Jul 6, 2015 8:40:55 GMT -5
As fas as AK47 goes, he likes to lay the body, he's used to be pretty quick...not sure if he still is, is good in all three zones, and should be good for 15 to 20 goals. He sounds motivated so if the Habs could land him for 1 mil I would sign him. Not sure if he would accept a 2 way contract but if he would I would even pay a little more.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 6, 2015 9:33:52 GMT -5
Low risk move that could pay off. How many forwards have the Habs has since Gauthier traded him who scored 20+ goals? I was originally in the nyet-to-Kostitsyn camp, but after thinking about, why not? ... it's a different environment than when he was here before ... Cheers.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 6, 2015 11:32:50 GMT -5
Low risk move that could pay off. How many forwards have the Habs has since Gauthier traded him who scored 20+ goals? I was originally in the nyet-to-Kostitsyn camp, but after thinking about, why not? ... it's a different environment than when he was here before ... Cheers. There was also a lot of pressure being a 10th overall pick in the 2003 draft, seen to be a very superlative draft. Lots of comparisons constantly to others taken after the 10th pick and all the armchair scouts were quick to point out who they would have rather the Habs picked (I had my short list, but that is water long under the bridge now!). If he was to come back, he would be a supplementary part not a top 10 first rounder expected to be one of the team's top offensive producers.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 6, 2015 12:17:59 GMT -5
Is Bergevin really going to be interested in picking up AK? It seems a reasonable gamble, especially at, say, a salary of $1mm a year. It's hard to gauge the quality of the KHL, so point totals from that league don't necessarily transfer well to the NHL. AK had 35 points in 50 games last year, but he moved from Chelyabinsk Traktor to Sochi partway through the season and finished with 31 points in 37 games with Sochi (which I assume was a better team than Traktor). AK went from -12 in 13 games with Traktor to +6 in 37 games with Sochi, which also suggests it was a better team.
Tough call. Perhaps Berg has something better cooking. Fingers crossed.
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