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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 28, 2015 21:45:53 GMT -5
Thursday, October 1st at 19h30 Au Centre Bell Centre
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 30, 2015 16:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by Douper on Sept 30, 2015 17:58:25 GMT -5
It's time for Markov to move down and Beaulieu to move up. He's going to burn out again
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 1, 2015 9:43:03 GMT -5
Lineups for tonight. Juulsen gets his token game before a trip back to the Dub! DD's line gets the night off (what will RDS do tonight?).
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 1, 2015 9:47:27 GMT -5
It's time for Markov to move down and Beaulieu to move up. He's going to burn out again For sure. He already looks slow in the preseason, and he and his knees are one year older. MT and asset management and proper utilization....hmmm.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 1, 2015 10:55:41 GMT -5
I'll be interested in seeing if Flynn gets any penalty killing time tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 11:40:15 GMT -5
It's time for Markov to move down and Beaulieu to move up. He's going to burn out again This. Markov's been slowing down for awhile, and we have capable players to start getting more ice time.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 1, 2015 11:46:34 GMT -5
I'll be interested in seeing if Flynn gets any penalty killing time tonight. MT has found a new fourth liner to adore. I am guessing he should get some PK time, as he has decent speed. I wonder if they take some of Pleky's PK time away since he is the #1 centre. Kassian with Mitchell and Flynn...
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Post by blny on Oct 1, 2015 11:47:17 GMT -5
My hope is that the duo of Beaulieu and Petry comes back to the fore and play well enough that Therrien sees he can split the ice time for the top 4 at ES evenly. Just doing that will decrease Andrei's minutes enough I believe.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 1, 2015 13:09:43 GMT -5
But that means reducing PK's ice time which is a bit awkward considering what he's being paid.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 1, 2015 13:13:13 GMT -5
I'll be interested in seeing if Flynn gets any penalty killing time tonight. Ok, I'll bite. This will be insightful because.....? Think a successful PEnalty killing session will influence MT's line-up choices? You may be flailing at windmills trying to guess those.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 1, 2015 13:43:58 GMT -5
I'll be interested in seeing if Flynn gets any penalty killing time tonight. Ok, I'll bite. This will be insightful because.....? Think a successful PEnalty killing session will influence MT's line-up choices? You may be flailing at windmills trying to guess those. Just reading the tea leaves, is all. I noted the other day that Flynn (to me) seemed to be taking quite a few key faceoffs (and doing well on them), on the heals of getting a shot in the shoot-out the previous game. I wondered if he was being evaluated as a specialist, and whether or not that would give him the inside track on playing a regular shift over somebody else. If he can win faceoffs AND kill penalties (even if only on the third unit) that would put him ahead of DSP, Kassian, and maybe even DLR, no? Heck, depending on how things play out he may even move ahead of Mitchell. If it turns out Flynn has a knack for shoot-outs as well then he becomes a somewhat valuable, if unheralded player.
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Post by frozone on Oct 1, 2015 14:13:01 GMT -5
Ok, I'll bite. This will be insightful because.....? Think a successful PEnalty killing session will influence MT's line-up choices? You may be flailing at windmills trying to guess those. Just reading the tea leaves, is all. I noted the other day that Flynn (to me) seemed to be taking quite a few key faceoffs (and doing well on them), on the heals of getting a shot in the shoot-out the previous game. I wondered if he was being evaluated as a specialist, and whether or not that would give him the inside track on playing a regular shift over somebody else. If he can win faceoffs AND kill penalties (even if only on the third unit) that would put him ahead of DSP, Kassian, and maybe even DLR, no? Heck, depending on how things play out he may even move ahead of Mitchell. If it turns out Flynn has a knack for shoot-outs as well then he becomes a somewhat valuable, if unheralded player. Flynn did have a knack for shootouts.. Although not a huge sample size, he was 3 for 5 at one point which is quite decent. I really think that Flynn was intended to be our Sekac replacement. I prefer Sekac 100% of the time, but I will admit that Flynn is better suited for a MT bottom 6 role. I'm all for the coaching staff exploring how best to utilize him, but I'm worried he's going to be the new favourite coach's pet.
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Post by Andrew on Oct 1, 2015 14:26:14 GMT -5
But that means reducing PK's ice time which is a bit awkward considering what he's being paid. They could keep Markov with Subban but take him off the PK. That would reduce his workload by about 10% in terms of overall time on ice, which also are among the harder minutes overall. Last year his PK TOI was 203 minutes out of 2017 overall.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 1, 2015 14:30:44 GMT -5
I'm all for the coaching staff exploring how best to utilize him, but I'm worried he's going to be the new favourite coach's pet. I think that ship may have sailed. In what has been described by many of the media and fans as a very underwhelming and even boring training camp, Flynn is in a unique position of getting a very extensive audition in many different roles. Meanwhile Kassian is playing with AHLers and fourth liners, and DSP is relegated to fifth line duty at best. MT's hierarchy is being well established in camp and in the pre season.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 1, 2015 18:35:05 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 1, 2015 20:17:30 GMT -5
Up 2-1 after the first.
Down 3-2 after the second.
The boxscore shows the Habs with 31 shots on Anderson….no goals in the second period.
The Sens had 3 goals on their first 12 shots….2 in the second on 7 shots…including a shortie by Stone. They now have a total of 15.
Markov and Beaulieu with our goals.
I wonder if it's the same old ANDERSTONE when it comes to the Habs…or if our forwards still have the finish problem.
Marinaro is saying that Pleks has been the best Hab.
Other comments from the intermission on TSN690.
Subban is in pre-season mailing it in mode. Very lazy play on Stone's shortie.
Petry, as well…pre-season mode.
Concern that Markov is on pace for another game of 25+ minutes.
That said, it's the best game the Habs have played in the pre-season.
Ottawa's a goon team with a goon coach….and it wouldn't be beneath them to take a run at Pacioretty's knee. Sure would help them make the playoffs.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 1, 2015 20:52:48 GMT -5
Habs outshooting the Sens 41-20 with about 3:00 left.
Ottawa has scored a PP goal in the third.
I don't care what anybody says….a pre-season game like this one means something.
Bragging rights against a divisional rival. Anderson stays in their heads.
Don't forget, the Sens almost took us to 7 games last year, after being down 0-3….if not for Price outduelling Anderson, getting a shutout in Game 6.
I'm sure the Sens don't forget it.
EDIT:
And now it's 5-2. The Sens won the battles necessary on that play, Sergio Momesso says.
3-on-3 OT coming up.
I believe we've lost all 4 games at the Bell Centre so far.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 1, 2015 21:01:04 GMT -5
I think 3-on-3 is absolute nonsense.
Cheapens the extra-point a la the shootout.
And just as I type that….Bobby Ryan blasts it in.
Subban and Plekanec didn't get off the ice….the Sens made the change…and capitalized.
We had a 2-0 lead in this one. 6 unanswered for the Sens.
No Karlsson and no Turris tonight, either. I have a feeling the Sens are going to continue to give us fits.
EDIT: Therrien, post-game….literally, laughing it off as pre-season.
This year's Habs' 1st pick, Noah Juulsen, impressed the commentators and Therrien, as well. Nice of MT to give him a game. But sent back to Jr. as he's only 18…and he's not in McDavid's class.
Handled and moved the puck well…jumped into the play nicely. Good to hear.
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Post by del on Oct 1, 2015 22:02:00 GMT -5
Nice to see Price in mid-vacation form.
My thoughts on this game and perhaps future games for these two teams this season ..... Sens......who’s your daddy? Habs..... you’re my daddy
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 1, 2015 22:07:24 GMT -5
Bright spot...Juulsen had a good game. Now enjoy a big season with Everett and earn that spot on the WJC team!
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 1, 2015 23:25:18 GMT -5
Just reading the tea leaves, is all. I noted the other day that Flynn (to me) seemed to be taking quite a few key faceoffs (and doing well on them), on the heals of getting a shot in the shoot-out the previous game. I wondered if he was being evaluated as a specialist, and whether or not that would give him the inside track on playing a regular shift over somebody else. If he can win faceoffs AND kill penalties (even if only on the third unit) that would put him ahead of DSP, Kassian, and maybe even DLR, no? Heck, depending on how things play out he may even move ahead of Mitchell. If it turns out Flynn has a knack for shoot-outs as well then he becomes a somewhat valuable, if unheralded player. Flynn did have a knack for shootouts.. Although not a huge sample size, he was 3 for 5 at one point which is quite decent. I really think that Flynn was intended to be our Sekac replacement. I prefer Sekac 100% of the time, but I will admit that Flynn is better suited for a MT bottom 6 role. I'm all for the coaching staff exploring how best to utilize him, but I'm worried he's going to be the new favourite coach's pet. Can't see shoot out skill influencing line ups anymore. Shoot outs will be very rare now. Anyone know how many 3 on 3 ended in a draw the past few weeks? I don't think many. Flynn's a good depth guy but unlikely to get more than 10 goals. we'll see how many Sekac gets this year. I think he'll approach 20. Seems we have have a lot of depth on the bottom 6: Fleish, Flynn, Mitchell, DSP, DLR, Kassian, Weise, DD. That's assuming none of the kids from the farm make it which I think is likely. Hopefully MT can get 6 of the 8 to work. From what I've seen and read it seems to me that Kassian is probably the bottom of the totem pole. Only way he gets prime ice time will be due to injury. So if Flyn is MT's next pet, Kassian will be MT's next whipping boy.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 2, 2015 6:49:45 GMT -5
I watched the whole game, and I gotta say that was one of the most dominating losses I've seen the team incur in a long time. They completely dominated the Senators in all facets of the game, with the exception of the final score. If you’re one of those who have been clamouring for Therrien to release the hounds, then this was the game for you. Not only did they crush the Sens in the shot department, but in every other category as well. I don’t know what the final advanced stats say, but at one point RDS put up a stat that said that Montreal had nearly three times as much offensive zone time as the Senators. Their breakouts were controlled and crisp, and the defense was very active, jumping into the play a lot. In fact, Marc Denis interviewed Nathan Beaulieu between periods and Beaulieu said that was something JJ Daigneault had been pushing them to do. There were very few dump-ins (Sven Andrighetto seemed to be the only one doing so on a regular basis), and they gained the zone (usually) with ease.
Even the power-play looked good (the shorty excepted of course). Along with the goal, they were also moving the puck around at ease, and even brought back the back-door play Markov used to do so well (only this time it was Beaulieu).
Some random thoughts:
• As expected (by me!), Brian Flynn got a lot of penalty killing time. Unexpectedly though perhaps it should have been, so did Devante Smith-Pelly. It seemed to me in fact that the two were being paired off against each other, in a mano-a-mano battle for a roster spot. If you look at the game that way DSP had WAY more offensive chances than Flynn, but Flynn looked much more polished, especially in the defensive zone. DSP was clearly trying, but he looked a little lost back there, and honestly I think I handle the puck better than he does (okay, maybe not honestly). But he consistently drove the Senators net and could have had two or three goals had the puck bounced a little differently. Flynn on the other hand, seemed to hang back more in the offensive zone, and if you’re using the eye test, looked much better than DSP as a hockey player. Smoother, crisper, sort of thing.
• Tomas Plekanec finally came out to play, at least in the first period and a half.
• Max Pacioretty looked rusty.
• The Subban and Markov duo also looked surprisingly rusty. In fact, I thought they were our worst pairing out there, and I’m including Juulsen and Emelin (and the guy who said Petry looked like he was preseason form must have been judging him on his hot-dog eating ability, as Petry didn’t even play last night). Speaking of Juulsen, he looked more and more comfortable as the game went on, but his skating needs some work, and looks a little awkward to me.
• Eller, Galchenyuk and Semin continue to play keep-away out there, and if anything they’re getting more fancy. That will almost certainly stop once guys start hitting for real. Galchenyuk got owned in the face-off circle though, and indeed Eller ended up (again) taking a bunch of them.
• Zack Kassian I think is now on the outside, looking in. He had one big hit in the first period, but also took two dumb penalties. That’s not gonna win you too many friends. But he is still clearly the most skilled of our bottom guys.
One last thing, since I’m sure Gary Bettman is reading this; For the three-on-three, don’t switch ends. The long change is a killer, and I’m not just saying that because the Habs lost because of it. If Plekanec and Pacioretty had of been able to get off the ice it’s entirely conceivable that the play would have continued for another 2, perhaps 3 or even 4 more minutes. The three-on-three is supposed to be exciting right? It’s not overly exciting when the games end within a minute and a half (which I think the vast majority of games have been ending in). Give them a shorter change so the free-flowing-play can continue for a little bit longer. That way it will be much more fun to watch, and this is all supposed to be about the fans, right? Right??
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Post by Gogie on Oct 2, 2015 7:12:54 GMT -5
{SNIP} One last thing, since I’m sure Gary Bettman is reading this; For the three-on-three, don’t switch ends. The long change is a killer, and I’m not just saying that because the Habs lost because of it. If Plekanec and Pacioretty had of been able to get off the ice it’s entirely conceivable that the play would have continued for another 2, perhaps 3 or even 4 more minutes. The three-on-three is supposed to be exciting right? It’s not overly exciting when the games end within a minute and a half (which I think the vast majority of games have been ending in). Give them a shorter change so the free-flowing-play can continue for a little bit longer. That way it will be much more fun to watch, and this is all supposed to be about the fans, right? Right?? I'm pretty sure this is by design. The league wants games ended in OT, not shoot outs, so anything that can expedite this will be employed.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 2, 2015 7:28:40 GMT -5
{SNIP} One last thing, since I’m sure Gary Bettman is reading this; For the three-on-three, don’t switch ends. The long change is a killer, and I’m not just saying that because the Habs lost because of it. If Plekanec and Pacioretty had of been able to get off the ice it’s entirely conceivable that the play would have continued for another 2, perhaps 3 or even 4 more minutes. The three-on-three is supposed to be exciting right? It’s not overly exciting when the games end within a minute and a half (which I think the vast majority of games have been ending in). Give them a shorter change so the free-flowing-play can continue for a little bit longer. That way it will be much more fun to watch, and this is all supposed to be about the fans, right? Right?? I'm pretty sure this is by design. The league wants games ended in OT, not shoot outs, so anything that can expedite this will be employed. Absolutely, and I'm all for that. But I do think it can be drawn out a little more and increase the excitement level of the game.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 2, 2015 7:57:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the report, BC.
I don't know who said Petry was in mailing-it-in form….maybe I misheard. And maybe he was talking about other games Petry has played this pre-season.
So it had to be either Anderson stoning us once again….or just a lack of finish from the guys.
Or just "one of those games". We've won more than our share of those because of Price.
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Post by Polarice on Oct 2, 2015 9:13:13 GMT -5
I don't put much into pre-season....most of the vets aren't working very hard. They are just trying new things, breaking in new equipment, new sticks etc. They don't care if they win or loose, they are thinking of those other things. It's nice to see hockey and some new players, other than that, I don't care what the score is or how people played.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 2, 2015 9:22:36 GMT -5
• The Subban and Markov duo also looked surprisingly rusty. In fact, I thought they were our worst pairing out there, Has the pair looked 'off' to you in previous games, BC? ... if so, I hope it doesn't take the coaching staff too long to sort this out ... This is where I saw Manny Maholtra made a difference ... he had trouble keeping up, sure, but I felt his faceoff success resonated amongst the team's centres ... at least for a while ... So the trade ends up being a swap of bottom-liners ... not surprised and kind of relieved that le Club isn't focusing on his potential any more (maybe they are, but they haven't been flogging it in the media) ... hoping he can replace those 8 goals Brandon Prust got for us ... It also prevents a goaltender from notching a few divots in the crease before he skates to the other end ... it's been done before, man ... Cheers.
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Post by frozone on Oct 2, 2015 11:30:02 GMT -5
I watched the whole game, and I gotta say that was one of the most dominating losses I've seen the team incur in a long time. They completely dominated the Senators in all facets of the game, with the exception of the final score. If you’re one of those who have been clamouring for Therrien to release the hounds, then this was the game for you. Not only did they crush the Sens in the shot department, but in every other category as well. I don’t know what the final advanced stats say, but at one point RDS put up a stat that said that Montreal had nearly three times as much offensive zone time as the Senators. Their breakouts were controlled and crisp, and the defense was very active, jumping into the play a lot. In fact, Marc Denis interviewed Nathan Beaulieu between periods and Beaulieu said that was something JJ Daigneault had been pushing them to do. There were very few dump-ins (Sven Andrighetto seemed to be the only one doing so on a regular basis), and they gained the zone (usually) with ease. Even the power-play looked good (the shorty excepted of course). Along with the goal, they were also moving the puck around at ease, and even brought back the back-door play Markov used to do so well (only this time it was Beaulieu). Some random thoughts: • As expected (by me!), Brian Flynn got a lot of penalty killing time. Unexpectedly though perhaps it should have been, so did Devante Smith-Pelly. It seemed to me in fact that the two were being paired off against each other, in a mano-a-mano battle for a roster spot. If you look at the game that way DSP had WAY more offensive chances than Flynn, but Flynn looked much more polished, especially in the defensive zone. DSP was clearly trying, but he looked a little lost back there, and honestly I think I handle the puck better than he does (okay, maybe not honestly). But he consistently drove the Senators net and could have had two or three goals had the puck bounced a little differently. Flynn on the other hand, seemed to hang back more in the offensive zone, and if you’re using the eye test, looked much better than DSP as a hockey player. Smoother, crisper, sort of thing. • Tomas Plekanec finally came out to play, at least in the first period and a half. • Max Pacioretty looked rusty. • The Subban and Markov duo also looked surprisingly rusty. In fact, I thought they were our worst pairing out there, and I’m including Juulsen and Emelin (and the guy who said Petry looked like he was preseason form must have been judging him on his hot-dog eating ability, as Petry didn’t even play last night). Speaking of Juulsen, he looked more and more comfortable as the game went on, but his skating needs some work, and looks a little awkward to me. • Eller, Galchenyuk and Semin continue to play keep-away out there, and if anything they’re getting more fancy. That will almost certainly stop once guys start hitting for real. Galchenyuk got owned in the face-off circle though, and indeed Eller ended up (again) taking a bunch of them. • Zack Kassian I think is now on the outside, looking in. He had one big hit in the first period, but also took two dumb penalties. That’s not gonna win you too many friends. But he is still clearly the most skilled of our bottom guys. One last thing, since I’m sure Gary Bettman is reading this; For the three-on-three, don’t switch ends. The long change is a killer, and I’m not just saying that because the Habs lost because of it. If Plekanec and Pacioretty had of been able to get off the ice it’s entirely conceivable that the play would have continued for another 2, perhaps 3 or even 4 more minutes. The three-on-three is supposed to be exciting right? It’s not overly exciting when the games end within a minute and a half (which I think the vast majority of games have been ending in). Give them a shorter change so the free-flowing-play can continue for a little bit longer. That way it will be much more fun to watch, and this is all supposed to be about the fans, right? Right?? That's a very accurate summary of the game. It was an excellent game to watch. I really didn't mind the loss given the fact it was preseason and the Habs dominated so heavily. Our breakouts were the best I have ever seen under MT. And it was refreshing to see the PP with quick puck movement. Lars looks very good in an offensive role. I'm happy he's finally getting his shot at it. He should spend extra time working on deflections and picking corners because I'm sure he's gonna receive a lot of passes from Chuck and Semin, who were both moving the puck extremely well last night. I'm convinced now, Beaulieu should play on the top pairing. Not because I thought Markov had a bad game, but because Beaulieu had a great game and a great camp. He just looks ready, so why not let his development continue. Beaulieu/PK and Markov/Petry would spread speed and offence through the lineup. I have very few complaints about the game last night. I'm actually happy that Carey had a bad game... he only has a handful of bad games during the year, so it's good that he used one up during the preseason.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 2, 2015 12:08:10 GMT -5
That's a very accurate summary of the game. It was an excellent game to watch. I really didn't mind the loss given the fact it was preseason and the Habs dominated so heavily. Our breakouts were the best I have ever seen under MT. And it was refreshing to see the PP with quick puck movement. Lars looks very good in an offensive role. I'm happy he's finally getting his shot at it. He should spend extra time working on deflections and picking corners because I'm sure he's gonna receive a lot of passes from Chuck and Semin, who were both moving the puck extremely well last night. I'm convinced now, Beaulieu should play on the top pairing. Not because I thought Markov had a bad game, but because Beaulieu had a great game and a great camp. He just looks ready, so why not let his development continue. Beaulieu/PK and Markov/Petry would spread speed and offence through the lineup. I have very few complaints about the game last night. I'm actually happy that Carey had a bad game... he only has a handful of bad games during the year, so it's good that he used one up during the preseason. Agree on pretty well all account. Very gratifying to hear that they came out of their zone better last night and I was happy to see the shots on goal totals. Carey won't play that casually in the real season and games like that should turn out in our favour maybe not far more often that not, but often enough that we'll finish in the top 4 clubs. My only concern with the score is that we still only scored 2 goals. But....baby steps. Get used to dominating possession and players will relax when they get in scoring positions and they'll start hitting open areas instead of the goalie. Is our leopard changing his spots? From the highlights I saw, it sure looked like PK and Markov did not have a good game. I'd love to see NB on that first pairing, but it will require some tact on Therrien's part to soothe Markov's feelings before moving him down. Too bad Karlsson wasn't playing. That would have made me feel even better. We also have to find a way to negate Stone, or he's going to kill us this year.
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