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Post by blny on Nov 6, 2015 9:01:24 GMT -5
He's off to a great start. On pace for a career year. No question, I'd like to keep him long term - for the right price. He's the perfect utility player, capable of moving up and down the lineup and playing in different roles.
What numbers would you be happy with?
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 6, 2015 9:15:07 GMT -5
Start at 3 yrs @ 3 million = 9 million.
End up at 4 years @ 3.75 million = 15 million
Likely NHL result : 3 years @4.25 = 12.75 million.
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Post by franko on Nov 6, 2015 9:27:43 GMT -5
Likely NHL result : 3 years @4.25 = 12.75 million. and on another team
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Post by blny on Nov 6, 2015 9:35:07 GMT -5
Likely NHL result : 3 years @4.25 = 12.75 million. and on another team I'd have to agree. If he wants more than $4 million per year, he'll be allowed to walk. You're opening up to the issues that the Hawks are facing with Bickell. Ideal for me would be the contract that Prust got. 4 years and $2.5 million per year.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 6, 2015 9:34:47 GMT -5
Hard to say. Last year's free agency summer may have really changed the game (collusion?). Matt Belesky is the closest comparable I can think of (off the top of my head) and he got a five year deal, $3.8 million average, when everybody thought he was going to cash in big. So I would think something in that neighborhood should get it done. Not sure Bergevin is going to want to go five years mind you, but we'll see.
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Post by blny on Nov 6, 2015 9:40:55 GMT -5
Hard to say. Last year's free agency summer may have really changed the game (collusion?). Matt Belesky is the closest comparable I can think of (off the top of my head) and he got a five year deal, $3.8 million average, when everybody thought he was going to cash in big. So I would think something in that neighborhood should get it done. Not sure Bergevin is going to want to go five years mind you, but we'll see. What drove prices last year was the fact the pool was so thin. We'll see who signs before July 1, but I expect the pool to be deeper in talent in 2016. Inflation in contracts being what it is I suppose 4 years and $3 million would be the equivalent. More than that would make me uncomfortable.
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Post by duster on Nov 6, 2015 12:11:47 GMT -5
It's a contract year so it's to be expected that he produces more than last season. I'm not sure I'd like him around long term unless the money was reasonable. 3 years at $2.5 million is more than fair, imo, In my mind , he's a bottom six player and those are relatively easy to find.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 6, 2015 13:15:16 GMT -5
I agree with Duster. While I like Weise's passion for the Habs, it remains (at least in most opinions) that Weise is a 3rd line guy. How much are you going to pay for that, when a replacement is not far away? (McCarron is the first guy who comes to mind, Hudon the second). I think Berg values his cap space too much to overpay for Dale. How many guys have great years just before UFAdom?
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Post by Douper on Nov 6, 2015 14:09:52 GMT -5
Let's not get carried away. For all we know he's borrowed a stick from Brian Savage?
We pay him too much he might end up like Bickell. Not enough, he's gone. I think he was in the group to sway Petry to stay so maybe he'll take a home town discount to stick around. Let's wait till the season is over to see if he can keep up his 40goal pace.
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Post by frozone on Nov 6, 2015 14:18:04 GMT -5
I think Weise will be a useful player until his early thirties. So term wise, I would try to sign him for 4 years. As for dollars, I would offer right smack in the middle of DD and Flash's salaries, obviously knowing it would land a little higher. And if it takes $3M to sign him, I think I would still do it. I'll explain why:
Even though Weise is off to a hot start, he's still only playing 3rd line minutes. His average ice time on the year is 13:39 so far. And although his shooting percentage is unsustainably high right now, he's still managed 36 shots so far within that icetime so it's not all luck. Over a full 82 games, that's 197 shots. At his current shooting percentage, that equates to about 44 goals. At his career avg shooting percentage, it equates to 23 to 24 goals. Theoretically, those numbers only get better if his icetime increases to let's say 15 minutes per game. I also think he has a very underrated passing game. He certainly had a knack for setting up Pacioretty last year.
Then there's his durability, checking skills (on pace again for well over 100 hits), size, speed, versatility, lifelong Habs fan... and the fact that he brings it in the playoffs. He's probably been one of the top 2 clutch players for us since his arrival imo.
Mind you, this is the first year in which he's been shooting so much. I think we have to credit DD and Fleisch for that, but there's no reason why MT and MB shouldn't continue to use Weise in his current checker/shooter hybrid role.
Really, the only thing that would prevent me from giving him $3M is the voice in the back of my head saying "come on, it's just Dale Weise".
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Post by blny on Nov 6, 2015 15:45:17 GMT -5
Let's not get carried away. For all we know he's borrowed a stick from Brian Savage? Dale has scored in November. He's got Savage beat!
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Post by folatre on Nov 11, 2015 19:06:40 GMT -5
3 Million per, 4 year term would be nice. The high side of 3.5 Million per season for a bottom six guy (that's what he is for career productivity standpoint and he is 27) makes me wonder if dollars better invested in top players.
I love the roll he is on but seriously I remember Jan Bulis scoring 4 goals in a game.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 12, 2015 10:25:28 GMT -5
I think Weise will be a useful player until his early thirties. So term wise, I would try to sign him for 4 years. As for dollars, I would offer right smack in the middle of DD and Flash's salaries, obviously knowing it would land a little higher. And if it takes $3M to sign him, I think I would still do it. I'll explain why: Even though Weise is off to a hot start, he's still only playing 3rd line minutes. His average ice time on the year is 13:39 so far. And although his shooting percentage is unsustainably high right now, he's still managed 36 shots so far within that icetime so it's not all luck. Over a full 82 games, that's 197 shots. At his current shooting percentage, that equates to about 44 goals. At his career avg shooting percentage, it equates to 23 to 24 goals. Theoretically, those numbers only get better if his icetime increases to let's say 15 minutes per game. I also think he has a very underrated passing game. He certainly had a knack for setting up Pacioretty last year. Then there's his durability, checking skills (on pace again for well over 100 hits), size, speed, versatility, lifelong Habs fan... and the fact that he brings it in the playoffs. He's probably been one of the top 2 clutch players for us since his arrival imo. Mind you, this is the first year in which he's been shooting so much. I think we have to credit DD and Fleisch for that, but there's no reason why MT and MB shouldn't continue to use Weise in his current checker/shooter hybrid role. Really, the only thing that would prevent me from giving him $3M is the voice in the back of my head saying "come on, it's just Dale Weise". Weise, much like DD seems to thrive against easier competition you generally face on the 3rd line, you move Dale up to the 2nd or 1st line and his production will drop. Keep him on the third line and give him 3 mill over 4 years and he'll be thrilled.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 12, 2015 10:38:01 GMT -5
Let's not get carried away. For all we know he's borrowed a stick from Brian Savage? Dale has scored in November. He's got Savage beat! I was looking at a Brian Savage card yesterday ... I'll find his rookie year and start a future thread theme on that ... Savage/Koivu/Recchi, yup ... thanks, blny ... I find Dale Weise uses his size better than Savage did, but I like the Mr November reference ... could apply to Tomas Fleischmann, too ... Cheers.
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