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Post by CentreHice on Nov 25, 2015 21:40:57 GMT -5
Other than the refs getting in the way in the second period (i.e. ruining the shutout and giving the Rangers a chance only 0-2 down)....that was one of the best team performances of the season.
Very impressive.
Rangers are perhaps as the reports indicate: "All Lundqvist"....
I think we caught them off-guard by coming out so strong and sustained....
Hope Price didn't hurt something further....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 21:44:03 GMT -5
He may have been taken out as a precaution. Likely aggravated his injury.
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Post by blny on Nov 25, 2015 21:49:43 GMT -5
Montreal exposed that defense all night. They got behind them. They beat them to pucks. They beat them to open ice. All the time. McDonagh can skate fast enough in a straight line, but DSP badly beat him out of the corner for his second of the game. Yandle is likely the best skater of the group. After they are SLOW. Slow skaters, slow thinkers, slow movers of the puck.
Conversely, our defense is fast. Markov can't skate fast anymore, but he still thinks the game fast enough to make up for it more often than not. Subban, Beaulieu, and Petry can all skate. I'd go so far as to say that PK is the slowest of the three. Petry's back check on McD's chance was a great example of his skating ability. He even blew by Max to do it.
What can we say about Byron? Perhaps a move indicative of Berg's time in Montreal: the unexpected. Paul's come in and tonight he was routinely part of the first PK group. Pretty darn good for a Flames cast off. When a waiver pick up can come in and lighten the load on the likes of Plekanec and Pacioretty, that's a good thing.
I thought Galchenyuk had a good game. He started the play that led to the first goal. Made a heads up play to score, and another to set up Max.
Big statement win, and the exclamation point was coming out hard to start the third and support Condon. Big show of character.
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Post by HFTO on Nov 25, 2015 22:08:59 GMT -5
That was a nice complete game to watch the second aside when they got into penalty trouble....so far in the short term the depth is shining through.
Hope Price injury is not too bad because in the end to get to the promised land we can't lose him
HFTO
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Post by folatre on Nov 25, 2015 22:23:51 GMT -5
Great work by all of the boys in this one.
I hope Price left game for precaution reason. It looked worse though.
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Post by 24in93 on Nov 25, 2015 22:34:58 GMT -5
Doesn't Price have a ridiculously low GAA against the Rags in the regular season? I could see him making another statement and shutting them out. 2-0 good guys. I wrote this in the GDT before the game and RDS posted the figures during the game: Since 2012-2013, Price's numbers against the Rags. WL 7-1-0 GAA 0.37 SV% .987 SO 5 Those are insane numbers. Hopefully Price is ok, he was definitely favouring his right leg in the 2nd. Looks like a groin injury. Not good if he's out for any extended period of time.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 25, 2015 22:43:47 GMT -5
Definitely looked groin. Hopefully just a tweak and he will be out for a short bit.
That was one heck of a performance. The battle of the tops in the East was a total team win.
Always great to chase the home team starter and their fans!
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Post by habsask on Nov 25, 2015 22:45:06 GMT -5
Well...that went kinda all right.
Maybe the trick against the Rags is to score first to get them to open up a bit & as blny pointed out their defense then gets exposed. On all the replays the Habs were beating their defense to the front of the net & even up the ice to the Rangers zone. And if Lundquist doesn't stand on his head things go down hill.
A bit of a statement game with Gallagher out & Price out in the 3rd I'd say.
Cheers.
PS - and is DSP really going to turn into the power forward we've been hoping for. Way premature yet but fun to speculate.
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Post by blny on Nov 25, 2015 22:50:08 GMT -5
Well...that went kinda all right. Maybe the trick against the Rags is to score first to get them to open up a bit & as blny pointed out their defense then gets exposed. On all the replays the Habs were beating their defense to the front of the net & even up the ice to the Rangers zone. And if Lundquist doesn't stand on his head things go down hill. A bit of a statement game with Gallagher out & Price out in the 3rd I'd say. Cheers. PS - and is DSP really going to turn into the power forward we've been hoping for. Way premature yet but fun to speculate. He showed some hands tonight. The improved fitness means he's quicker. If all he does is play as a bigger cannonball than Gallagher the club benefits big time.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 25, 2015 22:54:14 GMT -5
Well...that went kinda all right. Maybe the trick against the Rags is to score first to get them to open up a bit & as blny pointed out their defense then gets exposed. On all the replays the Habs were beating their defense to the front of the net & even up the ice to the Rangers zone. And if Lundquist doesn't stand on his head things go down hill. A bit of a statement game with Gallagher out & Price out in the 3rd I'd say. Cheers. PS - and is DSP really going to turn into the power forward we've been hoping for. Way premature yet but fun to speculate. How have you been stranger ... that was a 4-point game and the guys took it ... right in New York, no less ... Therrien looks like a genius replacing Gallagher with DSP ... Andrighetto did not look out of place with Eller and Galchenyuk ... feel free to check in more often ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 25, 2015 23:18:45 GMT -5
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 25, 2015 23:25:21 GMT -5
Win is good news. Price out is terrible news. Groin injury for a goalie is extremely problematic - and it is now likely chronic because he came back too soon. I'm pissed as I said the day he came back that they(he) should not rush things. There was no need to rush and ultimately any cup hopes rest on him being healthy. I would rather finish in 8th place and have a healthy Carey than win the Presidents Trophy and not have Price. Very poor management decision! Did i mention I'm pissed?
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Post by seventeen on Nov 26, 2015 1:39:38 GMT -5
You could see that in his last game where he wasn't quite extending his leg out to the extreme angles he is capable of. Habs management panicked a bit with Condon having that stretch of poor goaltending. I guess they felt even a sub par Price was their best solution. Short term yes, long term.....who knows?
I don't think he comes back from this 'aggravation' for 3 weeks at least. I wonder how Eddie Pasquale is doing?
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 26, 2015 2:28:15 GMT -5
You could see that in his last game where he wasn't quite extending his leg out to the extreme angles he is capable of. Habs management panicked a bit with Condon having that stretch of poor goaltending. I guess they felt even a sub par Price was their best solution. Short term yes, long term.....who knows? I don't think he comes back from this 'aggravation' for 3 weeks at least. I wonder how Eddie Pasquale is doing? "Panicked" is probably the appropriate description. So Condon was slipping. How about giving Toker a shot. Toker slips, then maybe panic (but even then). Didn't understand how Carey was not dressed one night, and the very next night he starts. And don't get me going on what the whole scenario did to Toker's confidence, who we are likely to be needing in the very near future.
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Post by Disp on Nov 26, 2015 6:52:35 GMT -5
I'm betting Carey just really likes to play. I'm sure he thought it was fine or that he could play through it. Probably couldn't keep him out.
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Post by jkr on Nov 26, 2015 7:59:01 GMT -5
Price wasn't rushed back. Let's face it - he holds all the cards here. If he feels less than a 100% than he won't play & the team has to listen. This isn't a marginal player like Bournival that feels he has to hide an injury to keep his place on the team.
They didn't rush him back. They were holding their own while he was out. He came back because he felt ready.
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Post by madhabber on Nov 26, 2015 8:28:10 GMT -5
I don't feel like he was rushed also. It is ultimately Price's decision. If he says he's good to go, he goes.
So now what do we do if Price is out another 3 weeks or so. Call up Tokarski and play Condon every game because we all know that the players have no confidence in Tokarski.
The Calgary Flames put Joni Ortio on waivers yesterday. 6'1" - 185 and 24 years old with a salary of 600K. His numbers are pretty bad but so are the Flames and so were Tokes numbers in preseason behind this very good defense.
You keep Ortio up and Tokarski down and once Price is ready to come back at 100%, you waive Ortio. If he gets claimed fine, if not, you find him a spot somewhere in the AHL and it doesn't have to be in St John's.
So the Habs have until noon today to put in a claim. This is what I would do. He would be here in time for Saturday's game.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 26, 2015 8:40:50 GMT -5
As I was saying... Yeah, I'm feeling so good about this game. I feel like we're due for a whupping, and with the injuries clearing up, we're one of the best teams in the league, and on the road... I don't think the Price injury was a "tweek". That looked more like an "owwie" to me. I don't think Price reacts that way if something just seems off, especially considering this is a guy who once pulled out his own tooth. I think he hurt there, and that's not good. Ugh.
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Post by Tankdriver on Nov 26, 2015 9:32:09 GMT -5
From what I watched in the minutes since Price has been back, I have found him to be more timid/less aggressive, slow in his movements. I don't think he was 100% coming back and now I don't expect him to play until after the x-mas break.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 26, 2015 9:34:42 GMT -5
I guess the silver lining in this is that we have a relatively "easy" schedule coming up in the next week or so. We play New Jersey back-to-back, and they have a woeful offense. We then play the even more woeful Columbus Blue Jackets (though they have been much better of late). Then a tough game against the Capitals, followed by another soft landing against Carolina. After that it picks up again, with games against the Bruins, Red Wings, Senators, Sharks and Kings.
So I think we can get through the next week in decent shape, barring a total melt-down from Condon. Which may or may not happen, but let's pretend it doesn't. Heck, I'd even be okay with trying out Tokarski in one of the games against New Jersey, and possibly the Carolina game, just to give Big Mike a rest. After that, let's see where we, and more importantly, Price are at...
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Post by franko on Nov 26, 2015 9:50:04 GMT -5
From what I watched in the minutes since Price has been back, I have found him to be more timid/less aggressive, slow in his movements. I don't think he was 100% coming back and now I don't expect him to play until after the x-mas break. 13 games before Christmas. 5-5-3 leaves us 22-9-5. I hate the OT point so say 5-8-0 leaves us 22-12-2 in very good shape still. and I can't see us losing 8 outright, even if Toker plays 3 or 4 [2 back-to-backs, so he will play. Ortio? rhymes with no go.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 26, 2015 10:59:54 GMT -5
Sounds like Semin is out with a LBI as well, so expect two call ups from St. John's later today (tweets say they cannot do them until 3:00 pm ET today). Pasquale and Bozon have already been recalled to the IceCaps from Brampton, so the dominos have started already.
Maybe our mystery man Holloway finally sees action in Semin's place on Friday (Go Bud Go), while I wonder which other forward gets the call up to be the 13th guy (Hudon, Carr, McCarron?).
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 26, 2015 11:12:19 GMT -5
DSP had a grand total of two goals since coming over from Anaheim last February. He just doubled that production in one evening in Manhattan. Not bad at all.
The guy has looked much better this season in terms of his conditioning, effort level and effectiveness. Nice turnaround from last season.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 26, 2015 11:12:43 GMT -5
Where's all the love for Toker? I say he's entitle to at least 2 games to confirm everyone's lack of confidence, or not. More importantly, if he is not NHL calibre let's get moving on finding someone!
Carey is out for at least two weeks and likely twice that. The injury would be about a week if it was minor and the first time. Given it is now a repeat and he and everyone knows he should not be rushing it, he's got to wait at least a week after it feels fine. I'm betting Xmas as well. So we should make sure we have a goalies everyone is confident in.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 26, 2015 11:15:10 GMT -5
Where's all the love for Toker? I say he's entitle to at least 2 games to confirm everyone's lack of confidence, or not. More importantly, if he is not NHL calibre let's get moving on finding someone! Carey is out for at least two weeks and likely twice that. The injury would be about a week if it was minor and the first time. Given it is now a repeat and he and everyone knows he should not be rushing it, he's got to wait at least a week after it feels fine. I'm betting Xmas as well. So we should make sure we have a goalies everyone is confident in. I think their goalie management will be different this time around. Last injury, it started as "out for a week", so they rode Condon. Quite clearly, they rode him past his comfort or effectiveness point. I expect a much better balanced workload this time around. Heck, it should start this weekend with the back to back against the Devils.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 26, 2015 11:15:36 GMT -5
DSP had a grand total of two goals since coming over from Anaheim last February. He just doubled that production in one evening in Manhattan. Not bad at all. The guy has looked much better this season in terms of his conditioning, effort level and effectiveness. Nice turnaround from last season. As self appointed president of the Jiri Sekac Booster Club, I must give a tip of the hat to DSP on his effort this season!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 26, 2015 11:17:30 GMT -5
DSP had a grand total of two goals since coming over from Anaheim last February. He just doubled that production in one evening in Manhattan. Not bad at all. The guy has looked much better this season in terms of his conditioning, effort level and effectiveness. Nice turnaround from last season. As self appointed president of the Jiri Sekac Booster Club, I must give a tip of the hat to DSP on his effort this season! I was a card carrying member myself.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 26, 2015 11:20:36 GMT -5
As self appointed president of the Jiri Sekac Booster Club, I must give a tip of the hat to DSP on his effort this season! I was a card carrying member myself. Then you'd know that Jiri has been injured or would probably have about 15 goals now
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Post by folatre on Nov 26, 2015 11:37:39 GMT -5
Tokarski is going to play a couple of games of the next 7-10 days. Based on his work preseason, this scares me. But who knows maybe he was psyched out by the competition with Condon. And now maybe with "less pressure" he can get his fundamentals straight and perform respectably.
Condon and the boys in front of him need to make sure they do not revert back to those horrible first periods that were becoming commonplace before Price returned.
So among the skaters, now it is Gallagher, Semin, and Mitchell?
The depth to be tested.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 26, 2015 11:38:22 GMT -5
I don't feel like he was rushed also. It is ultimately Price's decision. If he says he's good to go, he goes. I think a combination of factors contributed to Price returning before he should have. First, Condon was tired or didn't have time to re-adjust to the adjustments made by our opponents, so the goals were going in. Secondly, there is this stupid code that players have to play through pain and that you have to suck it up for your teammates. Ok, I get the reasoning for that, but there are hangnail injuries and there are amputation injuries. Some you can play through and some you have to wait till the leg re-attaches. So while Carey was probably gung-ho to get back in, if some of us can see he wasn't even at 90%, surely the braintrust should have seen that and had the courage to keep Price out. If he heals fully within a month or so, no problem, but what if it continues to linger and then flares up again in April? That's not a pretty scenario.
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