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Post by seventeen on Jan 30, 2016 14:09:39 GMT -5
That's essentially why I think MT should be fired. He doesn't adapt. He changes his system in the off-season only. Back in mid November, Elliot Friedman wrote an article breaking down the Habs system. Opposing teams were surely starting to figure out how to play the Habs at this point. And now the whole league know how to beat us. Pressure our D. Yes, the forwards aren't scoring, but imo the defense is what makes or breaks the system and they're simply being squeezed too thin right now. They're missing Carey, whose puck handling alone probably bought them an extra 2 or 3 seconds on almost every puck retrieval. They're also being asked to jump into the rush more often because that was a huge part of our offense early in the season. And on top of that, they don't have the lob pass option anymore because the opposition knows to cover for that play in the neutral zone. So now our D is stuck looking for an alternative play, with even less time then they had before. And when they do get the puck out, they have to jump up into the rush to support the offense. Even Petry with his speed is struggling to do it all. Broken record time. I've been saying that many of our problems fall back on Therrien's system or lack thereof. It's too easy to stifle us in our own end. Other teams have 3 options, we have 2. It's SOP now for defencemen on the forechecking team to slide down and attack the winger along the boards. If there's no easy pass to the middle or no support to help with a loose puck, a turnover happens and we get stuck again. PK's already sick and tired of the system and he said so in so many words. You're exactly right, folatre, offense starts from the defense. If they don't have the space or time, they need easy plays to make which don't require as much time or space. Therrien's system has gaps that are way too large, so the defense doesn't have that easy play available. It's not rocket science, except to our coaches.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 30, 2016 18:05:25 GMT -5
Yeah, there may be nothing to it.... The media and the fans are looking for the answer...when employing Occam's Razor might provide it: No Price = Nothing to hide behind. The GM has failed to provide legit Top 6 scorers, and the coach has responded with constant line-juggling. Little else has been noted in terms of innovation....unless the boys have said, "What's the use?" and have tuned out MT. Which is why Pacioretty--as the captain facing the music loss after loss--is sounding angry, frustrated, despondent. Just as a matter of interest, I'm curious how MB was supposed to get one or two top 6 forward talents w/o giving up such or the equivalent on defense + stay within the Cap. I'm not trying to stir the pot I just not clear how it could have been done. I do think think that some of the contracts he gave out have not worked out but a lot of that is based on hindsight. e.g. I remember a lot of folks here were happy when he signed Petry up. IMO MB's plan has always been to draft & develop & get the top talent through that source. If that's the case hopefully that should start to seriously come on line next season although to his credit Galchenyuk & Gallagher have been added. Meanwhile keep trying to plug in 'serviceable' players & try for incremental changes. From the beginning I thought that it would take a full 5 seasons at least to turn this team around unless they got very lucky in the draft. We should not forget or underestimate the damage done to the franchise by Gainey & Gauthier. As well all the high finishes the Habs have pulled off until this season have militated against this making it even harder. So I'm not saying that Bergevin shouldn't carry his share of the responsibility for the current situation (which he has- all of it in fact) Just that folks should keep some perspective. Coaching is a different matter & that one is clearly his problem alone. Having said all of that I honestly don't think there's a silver bullet that will solve all the Habs problems. Just my 2 cents as usual. Cheers. Gainey and Gauthier drafted the players that make up the core of the present team ... less Andre Markov, they drafted Carey Price, Pacioretty, PK Subban and Brendan Gallagher ... Nathan Beaulieu and Jared Tinordi were also drafted by the Dynamic Duo ... of the 26 players Marc Bergevin has drafted, only Galchenyuk has stuck with the big club ... I have hope for Charles Hudon and Sven Andrighetto, but I'm not so convinced on Mike McCarron ... he looked lost at the NHL level in the one game I saw of him ... Jacob De La Rose was brought up because, as Therrien put it, they needed a big 4th-line physical player ... from what I saw of him, DLR looks soft ... heck, he couldn't beat out Torey Mitchell, Brian Flynn or Thomas Fleischmann out a job ... so, we're back to asking, is this a drafting problem or a development problem ... aside: I wonder if Magnus Nygren would consider coming back if Sylvain Lefebvre were to be cashiered ... Bergevin also may have handcuffed himself when he signed Jeff Petry ... he didn't have enough left to go after a goal scorer and he ended up swinging for the fences on both Alex Semin and Zach Kassian ... neither player made it to 1st base ... can't express the degree of disappointment I have with the way the team imploded this year ... it has truly taken the wind out of me ... mind you, I still haven't lost any sleep over it ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 30, 2016 21:31:28 GMT -5
We've yet to see the Kassian situation play itself out. He scored a goal in his last game for Edmonton and also scored for the farm team, where he was sent over the break. If he's rehabbed, he could be a player, just not for us.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 31, 2016 3:04:19 GMT -5
Just as a matter of interest, I'm curious how MB was supposed to get one or two top 6 forward talents w/o giving up such or the equivalent on defense + stay within the Cap. I'm not trying to stir the pot I just not clear how it could have been done. I do think think that some of the contracts he gave out have not worked out but a lot of that is based on hindsight. e.g. I remember a lot of folks here were happy when he signed Petry up. IMO MB's plan has always been to draft & develop & get the top talent through that source. If that's the case hopefully that should start to seriously come on line next season although to his credit Galchenyuk & Gallagher have been added. Meanwhile keep trying to plug in 'serviceable' players & try for incremental changes. From the beginning I thought that it would take a full 5 seasons at least to turn this team around unless they got very lucky in the draft. We should not forget or underestimate the damage done to the franchise by Gainey & Gauthier. As well all the high finishes the Habs have pulled off until this season have militated against this making it even harder. So I'm not saying that Bergevin shouldn't carry his share of the responsibility for the current situation (which he has- all of it in fact) Just that folks should keep some perspective. Coaching is a different matter & that one is clearly his problem alone. Having said all of that I honestly don't think there's a silver bullet that will solve all the Habs problems. Just my 2 cents as usual. Cheers. Gainey and Gauthier drafted the players that make up the core of the present team ... less Andre Markov, they drafted Carey Price, Pacioretty, PK Subban and Brendan Gallagher ... Nathan Beaulieu and Jared Tinordi were also drafted by the Dynamic Duo ... of the 26 players Marc Bergevin has drafted, only Galchenyuk has stuck with the big club ... I have hope for Charles Hudon and Sven Andrighetto, but I'm not so convinced on Mike McCarron ... he looked lost at the NHL level in the one game I saw of him ... Jacob De La Rose was brought up because, as Therrien put it, they needed a big 4th-line physical player ... from what I saw of him, DLR looks soft ... heck, he couldn't beat out Torey Mitchell, Brian Flynn or Thomas Fleischmann out a job ... so, we're back to asking, is this a drafting problem or a development problem ... aside: I wonder if Magnus Nygren would consider coming back if Sylvain Lefebvre were to be cashiered ... Bergevin also may have handcuffed himself when he signed Jeff Petry ... he didn't have enough left to go after a goal scorer and he ended up swinging for the fences on both Alex Semin and Zach Kassian ... neither player made it to 1st base ... can't express the degree of disappointment I have with the way the team imploded this year ... it has truly taken the wind out of me ... mind you, I still haven't lost any sleep over it ... Cheers. That's a great post Dis. It really puts the current situation in perspective. MB's tenure has been a bust if not a complete fiasco. He has contributed little to improve this franchise. While he picked Chucky, it must be remembered that that was a 3rd overall pick which should be a keeper. It would seem that even though the pick may have been a good one, MB and his twisted philosophy are hell bent on ruining the kid. I'm starting to get the impression that for all his talk about character, MB himself is a cocky, dogmatic tyrant who is unable to consider any opinions which differ from his own. Not a good characteristic of a leader. Only matter I might dispute in your post is the comments on DLR. I think he will be a very strong 3rd or 4th line centre. He has size and a good head for the game. The only hurdle he currently faces, like many of the youth in the Habs organization, is the extremely poor development skills of MB and his staff.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 31, 2016 3:13:08 GMT -5
We've yet to see the Kassian situation play itself out. He scored a goal in his last game for Edmonton and also scored for the farm team, where he was sent over the break. If he's rehabbed, he could be a player, just not for us. Seems to me MB is in a no win situation. If Zach turns it around, and I like his chances, then MB gave up on him too soon. While MB may sit up on his high horse and claim he and the organization will not tolerate the irresponsible behaviour Zach engaged in, one wonders where the compassion lies for a player who was struggling with an addiction, pursued treatment, only to be unceremoniously jettisoned (MT, ever the diplomat) before being given an opportunity to prove his rehabilitation was a success. I also remain uncomfortable with MB's role in the John Scott affair. The more I see of MB, the more concerned I am with his character and his judgment!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 31, 2016 11:18:14 GMT -5
Gainey and Gauthier drafted the players that make up the core of the present team ... less Andre Markov, they drafted Carey Price, Pacioretty, PK Subban and Brendan Gallagher ... Nathan Beaulieu and Jared Tinordi were also drafted by the Dynamic Duo ... of the 26 players Marc Bergevin has drafted, only Galchenyuk has stuck with the big club ... I have hope for Charles Hudon and Sven Andrighetto, but I'm not so convinced on Mike McCarron ... he looked lost at the NHL level in the one game I saw of him ... Jacob De La Rose was brought up because, as Therrien put it, they needed a big 4th-line physical player ... from what I saw of him, DLR looks soft ... heck, he couldn't beat out Torey Mitchell, Brian Flynn or Thomas Fleischmann out a job ... so, we're back to asking, is this a drafting problem or a development problem ... aside: I wonder if Magnus Nygren would consider coming back if Sylvain Lefebvre were to be cashiered ... Bergevin also may have handcuffed himself when he signed Jeff Petry ... he didn't have enough left to go after a goal scorer and he ended up swinging for the fences on both Alex Semin and Zach Kassian ... neither player made it to 1st base ... can't express the degree of disappointment I have with the way the team imploded this year ... it has truly taken the wind out of me ... mind you, I still haven't lost any sleep over it ... Cheers. That's a great post Dis. It really puts the current situation in perspective. MB's tenure has been a bust if not a complete fiasco. He has contributed little to improve this franchise. While he picked Chucky, it must be remembered that that was a 3rd overall pick which should be a keeper. It would seem that even though the pick may have been a good one, MB and his twisted philosophy are hell bent on ruining the kid. I'm starting to get the impression that for all his talk about character, MB himself is a cocky, dogmatic tyrant who is unable to consider any opinions which differ from his own. Not a good characteristic of a leader. Only matter I might dispute in your post is the comments on DLR. I think he will be a very strong 3rd or 4th line centre. He has size and a good head for the game. The only hurdle he currently faces, like many of the youth in the Habs organization, is the extremely poor development skills of MB and his staff. I don't know, man ... he's tried to land a big elite centre but like he said, the cost would be Carey Price ... and there's the the RW issue, too ... now, he must realize that he has to go after another goaltender, too ... in that context I'd bring Zachary Fucale up because he really doesn't have anything to lose, at this point ... but I wouldn't call his tenure a complete bust ... from what I've read, he's on the phones constantly ... the problem is he has no dance partners and no one wants to help him out ... I won't question his character ... I've never met the man, but he doesn't strike me as arrogant tyrant ... I think he's a good leader, who tried to take the sins of the club onto himself ... Max Pacioretty and PK Subban both tried that, too, but the only one not to take any personal accountability has been Michel Therrien ... as Chris Nilan pointed out the other day, when Therrien was asked about his accountability, he used the term "we" and he's the only one of the four I've mentioned who's done this ... I think this, here, speaks volumes about him but, again, I've never met the man ... one thing I think Marc Bergevin will also have to address in the off-season is the lack of progression with the prospects ... just as an outsider looking in, it won't matter what kind of player ends up in St John's, he'll end up being developed as a grinder under Sylvain Lefebvre's watch ... that's what I see right now and if that is, indeed, the case, then Bergevin has one more area to address in addition to his centre and RW positions ... if development doesn't change, then I suspect Berg will continue to have the same problems he's having now ... that's just the world according to me, anyway ... out the door for $10.99 steak and eggs ... might have to have a Guinness with that me thinks ... Cheers.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 31, 2016 12:30:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't bring up Fucale. He's not going to be a saviour and a kid should not be subjected to whatever is plaguing this team.
I don't disagree with anything you say about MT and Lefebre but if its a'll accurate isn't that on MB.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 31, 2016 14:10:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't bring up Fucale. He's not going to be a saviour and a kid should not be subjected to whatever is plaguing this team. I don't disagree with anything you say about MT and Lefebre but if its a'll accurate isn't that on MB. It was all on Bergevin from the beginning; however, I think what he might be doing is giving Therrien all the chances he can, turn every page, before actually letting him go, more so as he just extended his contract ... same notation for Lefebvre ... just the same, he may have extended MT, but unless things have a drastic turnaround after the all-star break, Berg has to admit at some point that the systems in both St John's and Montreal simply aren't working ... I suggested it before, but the best-case scenario for Berg would be for Therrien to resign ... that said, I just don't see that happening ... I mean, MT can't even assume some of the accountability on himself ... ah well ... maybe he can get his old job back avec L'Antichambre where he can go on camera and tell the world what's wrong with the Habs ... you know, a job where he can't do any damage ... Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2016 14:17:40 GMT -5
That's a great post Dis. It really puts the current situation in perspective. MB's tenure has been a bust if not a complete fiasco. He has contributed little to improve this franchise. While he picked Chucky, it must be remembered that that was a 3rd overall pick which should be a keeper. It would seem that even though the pick may have been a good one, MB and his twisted philosophy are hell bent on ruining the kid. I'm starting to get the impression that for all his talk about character, MB himself is a cocky, dogmatic tyrant who is unable to consider any opinions which differ from his own. Not a good characteristic of a leader. Only matter I might dispute in your post is the comments on DLR. I think he will be a very strong 3rd or 4th line centre. He has size and a good head for the game. The only hurdle he currently faces, like many of the youth in the Habs organization, is the extremely poor development skills of MB and his staff. I don't know, man ... he's tried to land a big elite centre but like he said, the cost would be Carey Price ... Cheers. I think Bergivin is overstating this. Dallas got Tyler Seguin for Loui Erickson & some pieces & they got Spezza for basically Chiasson . Those may be outliers but good players can be had for less than we might think. When MB says stuff like this it just seems like he is making excuses.
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Post by franko on Jan 31, 2016 14:33:09 GMT -5
I don't know, man ... he's tried to land a big elite centre but like he said, the cost would be Carey Price ... Cheers. I think Bergivin is overstating this. Dallas got Tyler Seguin for Loui Erickson & some pieces & they got Spezza for basically Chiasson . Those may be outliers but good players can be had for less than we might think. When MB says stuff like this it just seems like he is making excuses. Spezza was dumped. At the time or was thought that Sens go a deal, especially since he wasn't going to resign. Seguin was out of favour in Boston. So what we want is someone another team is tired of. We'd howl that we are taking another teams dregs.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 31, 2016 14:44:16 GMT -5
I think Bergivin is overstating this. Dallas got Tyler Seguin for Loui Erickson & some pieces & they got Spezza for basically Chiasson . Those may be outliers but good players can be had for less than we might think. When MB says stuff like this it just seems like he is making excuses. Spezza was dumped. At the time or was thought that Sens go a deal, especially since he wasn't going to resign. Seguin was out of favour in Boston. So what we want is someone another team is tired of. We'd howl that we are taking another teams dregs. "Dregs" as in Semin, Kassian, Fleishman, Flynn, Mitchell, and Scott? i want to be careful in criticizing MB for being trigger shy of making the big deal. As based on his record he will most certainly pick up a "dreg".
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Post by franko on Jan 31, 2016 15:16:30 GMT -5
Spezza was dumped. At the time or was thought that Sens go a deal, especially since he wasn't going to resign. Seguin was out of favour in Boston. So what we want is someone another team is tired of. We'd howl that we are taking another teams dregs. "Dregs" as in Semin, Kassian, Fleishman, Flynn, Mitchell, and Scott? i want to be careful in criticizing MB for being trigger shy of making the big deal. As based on his record he will most certainly pick up a "dreg". You've made my point. We want to trade what so many consider our "dregs" and want a prime player in return. I'd love a big deal but is going to cost. Will MB pay? And how much will we howl?
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Post by PTH on Jan 31, 2016 16:55:40 GMT -5
"Dregs" as in Semin, Kassian, Fleishman, Flynn, Mitchell, and Scott? i want to be careful in criticizing MB for being trigger shy of making the big deal. As based on his record he will most certainly pick up a "dreg". You've made my point. We want to trade what so many consider our "dregs" and want a prime player in return. I'd love a big deal but is going to cost. Will MB pay? And how much will we howl? And frankly, what do we have to trade that's marketable ? If we assume that Subban, Price and Gallagher are off the table, guys like Plekanec and Markov won't fetch much, Pacioretty would be hard to move and get equal value in return... Petry or Beaulieu, perhaps, or Galchenyuk, but the only one I could see being moved in a deal that leads to our getting a clearcut upgrade would be Beaulieu, and even then, it's a tough call that he won't be needed after Markov's retirement. In short, we don't have many marketable commodities to get that top-level player, even when who's underrated... My personnal approach would be to try and move Pacioretty for a center, but we all know that would leave us horribly weak on the wing.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 31, 2016 18:51:18 GMT -5
I don't know, man ... he's tried to land a big elite centre but like he said, the cost would be Carey Price ... Cheers. I think Bergivin is overstating this. Dallas got Tyler Seguin for Loui Erickson & some pieces & they got Spezza for basically Chiasson . Those may be outliers but good players can be had for less than we might think. When MB says stuff like this it just seems like he is making excuses. I'm thinking the Senators wouldn't have traded Jason Spezza to Montreal, anyway ... division rival and all ... besides, I don't think we had an Alex Chiasson to go the other way ... Tyler Seguin played with another division rival, the Bruins ... stranger things have happened, but I suspect Peter Chiarelli would not have dealt with the Habs either ... Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2016 18:57:14 GMT -5
I think Bergivin is overstating this. Dallas got Tyler Seguin for Loui Erickson & some pieces & they got Spezza for basically Chiasson . Those may be outliers but good players can be had for less than we might think. When MB says stuff like this it just seems like he is making excuses. Spezza was dumped. At the time or was thought that Sens go a deal, especially since he wasn't going to resign. Seguin was out of favour in Boston. So what we want is someone another team is tired of. We'd howl that we are taking another teams dregs. Seguin is hardly dregs & trading him was a big mistake on Boston's part. This is the kind of thing he should be looking for. Spezza had 62 points last season & is on pace for that again. If a player like this is available they may be available for less than you think.
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2016 19:02:03 GMT -5
I think Bergivin is overstating this. Dallas got Tyler Seguin for Loui Erickson & some pieces & they got Spezza for basically Chiasson . Those may be outliers but good players can be had for less than we might think. When MB says stuff like this it just seems like he is making excuses. I'm thinking the Senators wouldn't have traded Jason Spezza to Montreal, anyway ... division rival and all ... besides, I don't think we had an Alex Chiasson to go the other way ... Tyler Seguin played with another division rival, the Bruins ... stranger things have happened, but I suspect Peter Chiarelli would not have dealt with the Habs either ... Cheers. Chiasson is nothing special - averages about 30 points a season over his career so far. What I am getting at is not necessarily these players. The point is quality guys are available. Are you guys saying you wouldn't take Seguin for someone like Eriksson? His best season was 36 goals in 09 & he hasn't hit 30 since. I remember we had similar discussions when Bobby Ryan had 4 straight 30 goals seasons & got traded to Ottawa for Silferberg & a 1st. At the time of the deal Silverberg's best season was 10 goals in 48 games. Him and a probable mid level 1st doesn't seem like a lot.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 31, 2016 19:30:36 GMT -5
Alex Chiasson? But I think you knew that Dis. No, you're exactly right. Neither Spezza or Seguin would have been dealt to us unless whatever the Sens or Bruins got was vastly superior. No snowball's chance for us.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 31, 2016 19:48:48 GMT -5
James Neal .... He was acquired for Hornqvist and Spalling ....nothing special there. Neal does one thing we need , scores goal.
Evander Kane and Bogosian were traded for Tyler Myers and Drew Stafford. Again, not really superstars.
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2016 19:51:33 GMT -5
Alex Chiasson? But I think you knew that Dis. No, you're exactly right. Neither Spezza or Seguin would have been dealt to us unless whatever the Sens or Bruins got was vastly superior. No snowball's chance for us. Good players get traded as per the examples above - Seguin, Spezza, Ryan among others. Hell, Brent Burns was traded for Charlie Coyle. Bergevin keeps saying that trades are hard to make. I guess if they were easy they would happen all the time. But IMO the cost is not always as high as we might think.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 31, 2016 21:17:44 GMT -5
I've given up on the season but I'll come on this great board and read what you guys have to say but I'm getting tired of feeling so negative about this team and posting it on here.
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Post by franko on Jan 31, 2016 22:35:06 GMT -5
Good players get traded as per the examples above - Seguin, Spezza, Ryan among others. Hell, Brent Burns was traded for Charlie Coyle. "dregs" was not a good word to use -- I blame it on my wife, who was looking at me as I was trying to formulate a reply as I read the board on my phone and saying "are you at it again? can't you leave that alone?". Spezza was oft-injured. I would have been hesitant to trade for him, though he was an upgrade. Seguin was un -- and under -- appreciated, and needed time to grow. but I don't think it would matter who the Habs got in a trade (and we aren't getting much back if we are trading DDs and Pleks' contracts away) -- Gretzy would be bench by the current coach for not being defensive minded enough. yup, I'm back to it -- the system stinks, and the system is on the coach.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 31, 2016 23:28:01 GMT -5
If there is a consensus that this organization, including the gm and coach, cannot draft and/or develop young players, then it seems to me our draft choices are useless. We should be offering them up, those selected the past few years and those in the future, for a top 6 forward, perhaps 2, who we know can play and score. Carey, PK, and Max, cannot wait for this year's or next year's draft picks to develop. Aside form being in their prime now, we will not have the cap space when Carey and Max need to be extended. Now is the time to make a bold move. Too bad we have the navel gazer who says it's too had to make a deal
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2016 0:25:07 GMT -5
Good players get traded as per the examples above - Seguin, Spezza, Ryan among others. Hell, Brent Burns was traded for Charlie Coyle. "dregs" was not a good word to use -- I blame it on my wife, who was looking at me as I was trying to formulate a reply as I read the board on my phone and saying "are you at it again? can't you leave that alone?". You too? My wife doesn't even have to say anything, just look in the door at me, pause a few seconds and leave. Message sent Fortunately, I ignore it most of the time and always wash the dishes. My penance.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2016 0:27:18 GMT -5
I've given up on the season but I'll come on this great board and read what you guys have to say but I'm getting tired of feeling so negative about this team and posting it on here. Nah, you're not going to just read. You need an outlet to vent and we're it. YOU just have to keep perspective. It's still only a game and life goes on, no matter how much money Geoff Molson makes. Therrien and Bergevin will always be judged not by their salaries, but by how many Cups they won, and so far they're losing big.
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Post by UberCranky on Feb 1, 2016 1:37:44 GMT -5
"dregs" was not a good word to use -- I blame it on my wife, who was looking at me as I was trying to formulate a reply as I read the board on my phone and saying "are you at it again? can't you leave that alone?". You too? My wife doesn't even have to say anything, just look in the door at me, pause a few seconds and leave. Message sent Fortunately, I ignore it most of the time and always wash the dishes. My penance. Dishes? Like the ones you eat from? Just wanted to make sure..... Mind goes into her "deep voice" and prattles something like "chatting with your boyfriends again?". Which always elicits something spicy like...."yes, but honestly, I rather be f*****g cheap h**kers." Conversation over! LOL!
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Post by UberCranky on Feb 1, 2016 1:44:46 GMT -5
I've given up on the season but I'll come on this great board and read what you guys have to say but I'm getting tired of feeling so negative about this team and posting it on here. I started the season on a high and actually bought the entire "hope and changed" barrel of bs. Now, I'm actually annoyed bordering on angry when I think of the team. I keep going back to one thing, I started to follow the team from a young age and the aura of "must prevail, must win" permeated my genetic code. Now it seems that the team and management abandoned that into recycled mediocrity. They changed, I haven't. I don't care for the current version and most certainly........I will never let my expectations of them go.......
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Post by jkr on Feb 1, 2016 7:41:25 GMT -5
You too? My wife doesn't even have to say anything, just look in the door at me, pause a few seconds and leave. Message sent Fortunately, I ignore it most of the time and always wash the dishes. My penance. Dishes? Like the ones you eat from? Just wanted to make sure..... Mind goes into her "deep voice" and prattles something like "chatting with your boyfriends again?". Which always elicits something spicy like...."yes, but honestly, I rather be f*****g cheap h**kers." Conversation over! LOL! That's the funniest thing I've read here for a while. My wife doesn't have much to say about it - she doesn't pay much attention to what I do anyway. I've got a tablet now so I can sit on my own & complain about this team in private. If you see any weird spelling mistakes in my posts blame it on the predictive text feature.
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Post by folatre on Feb 1, 2016 8:20:40 GMT -5
There is nice elite core on this club. The problem is too few high quality pieces just outside the elite core. This is trouble for trying to rectify the flawed and unbalanced roster lacking minimally two top six wingers.
For this reason, I do not feel optimistic or hold any illusions about Bergevin making this a legitimate contender via trade. The moves I advocate to make this winter/spring are not about acquiring a top six piece because Habs valued non-elite pieces are too few and management allowed this historically epic slide to go so far any potential trade is now with Montreal as the desperate partner. The moves I advocate are focused on two things: rightsize surplus at centre and defense; while to save cap dollars for to sign top six winger via free agency.
Plekanec is far worse contract, though probably still better player than Desharnais, so for me Bergevin must do what he has needed to do since summer of 2014 which is to remove one small "offensive" centre from the picture (any hockey man can see no club wins Cup with Plekanec and Desharnais playing 35 collective minutes per game). Therrien would hate this move, which for me becomes the litmus test for Bergevin to exhibit good judgment to correct roster imbalance and finally acknowledge Galchenyuk playing top minutes at centre is presently the only hope for Canadiens to be a contender unless Bergevin makes impossible happen and sign Stamkos.
29 million dollars on the d-corps this season is shocking to the eye test. The d-men run around too much, they are too isolated in break out, and many have been misused under Therrien. We are not going to receive a top six piece but it is time for Markov to move on for a Cup run and to play for a coach that understands his strengths and weaknesses. Look at Therrien, no days off for Markov last season (as if finishing with 110 points valued more in big picture than 103 or 104 points) and none this season.
5.75 (Markov) + 3.5 (Desharnais) + 2.8 (Gilbert) = 12 million (+ 2 rounder + 4 rounder + 6 rounder, perhaps). It is the cap relief that offers Bergevin a chance to sell his vision of a contender to a top six wing.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 1, 2016 11:33:00 GMT -5
If there is a consensus that this organization, including the gm and coach, cannot draft and/or develop young players, then it seems to me our draft choices are useless. We should be offering them up, those selected the past few years and those in the future, for a top 6 forward, perhaps 2, who we know can play and score. Carey, PK, and Max, cannot wait for this year's or next year's draft picks to develop. Aside form being in their prime now, we will not have the cap space when Carey and Max need to be extended. Now is the time to make a bold move. Too bad we have the navel gazer who says it's too had to make a deal Hey! You've made the full leap to my side of the fence ... it was getting lonely over here!! See my signature for my thoughts on saving draft picks. Three years now since what I deemed was a wasted opportunity to go for it, and not one has contributed anything meaningful to the big club.
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Post by mikeg on Feb 1, 2016 14:53:38 GMT -5
I've given up on the season but I'll come on this great board and read what you guys have to say but I'm getting tired of feeling so negative about this team and posting it on here. I started the season on a high and actually bought the entire "hope and changed" barrel of bs. Now, I'm actually annoyed bordering on angry when I think of the team. I keep going back to one thing, I started to follow the team from a young age and the aura of "must prevail, must win" permeated my genetic code. Now it seems that the team and management abandoned that into recycled mediocrity. They changed, I haven't. I don't care for the current version and most certainly........I will never let my expectations of them go....... This organization went into the gutter when it became a language issue for anything administrative. I was but a little baby during the late 70s and only became a fan because of Steve Penny (I thought his name was funny). Can anyone confirm if the french media was this powerful in regards to the administration speaking french back in dynasty times? Did Bowman or Pollack speak French, did they care? Did the media care? I get that our culture has changed, everything is super charged, social media, talk radio yada yada. But there must have been some editorializing of the issue? Or was there? And if there was, was it taken seriously or laughed at?
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