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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 21, 2016 18:34:01 GMT -5
A good move ... he deserves it ...
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Post by blny on Jan 21, 2016 21:50:20 GMT -5
SHouldn't have been sent down. Glad to see he's back.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 21, 2016 21:53:36 GMT -5
Carr is trying his damnest. Management is trying their dumbest.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 21, 2016 21:58:29 GMT -5
Byron is injured so they call up Carr, who I would put with Galchy... MT will sit him in the press box or put him on the 4th line
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 21, 2016 22:43:38 GMT -5
Byron is injured so they call up Carr, who I would put with Galchy... MT will sit him in the press box or put him on the 4th line Flynn-Mitchell-Carr could be very effective ... Carr has scored a few goals from the lower lines ... losing Byron lessens our PK a tad ... Cheers.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 22, 2016 10:52:31 GMT -5
Byron is injured so they call up Carr, who I would put with Galchy... MT will sit him in the press box or put him on the 4th line Flynn-Mitchell-Carr could be very effective ... Carr has scored a few goals from the lower lines ... losing Byron lessens our PK a tad ... Cheers. Yeah, there are some other good PKers but that explosive speed adds an element.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 22, 2016 11:01:25 GMT -5
The team needs scoring from the second line to take pressure off of the patches line. I want bGal-lite with galchy and galchy as centre....
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Post by Skilly on Jan 22, 2016 12:34:52 GMT -5
The team needs scoring from the second line to take pressure off of the patches line. I want bGal-lite with galchy and galchy as centre.... Carr - Galchenyuk - Eller have had success in the 71 minutes they have played together this year. We shall see if Therrien has noticed. However, seeing how THERRIEN is an anagram for THINE ERR ... I have doubts
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 22, 2016 14:12:14 GMT -5
The team needs scoring from the second line to take pressure off of the patches line. I want bGal-lite with galchy and galchy as centre.... Carr - Galchenyuk - Eller have had success in the 71 minutes they have played together this year. We shall see if Therrien has noticed. However, seeing how THERRIEN is an anagram for THINE ERR ... I have doubts I am good with that combo. Looked decent before, no reason to believe it can't again. It also has the bonus of separating up Chucky and DD. That could be good for both of them.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 22, 2016 14:48:12 GMT -5
You have to roll the best offensive lines possible.
Pacioretty/Pleks/Gallagher Eller/Galchenyuk/Carr Fleischmann/DD/Weise Flynn/Mitchell/DSP
This has been our best formula. Pacioretty with Gallagher, Eller with Galcheyuk, and DD anchoring the 3rd line. The first two lines are capable of driving possession and scoring chances, and the DD line has been very effective in that exploitation role.
We still have the lack of finish to deal with, but you have to create chances to bury them and that lineup is our best shot.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 22, 2016 15:03:52 GMT -5
Nope, I want Carr on the 4th line.
Patches - Pleks - Gallagher (that line's not changing) Chuck - DD - Weise (no chemistry at all) Flash - Eller - DSP (nothing to see folks, move along) Flynn - Mitchell -Carr (doesn't matter, just keep Carr off a scoring line)
That's our best line-up in the Matthews sweepstakes.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 22, 2016 15:54:36 GMT -5
Nope, I want Carr on the 4th line. Patches - Pleks - Gallagher (that line's not changing) Chuck - DD - Weise (no chemistry at all) Flash - Eller - DSP (nothing to see folks, move along) Flynn - Mitchell -Carr (doesn't matter, just keep Carr off a scoring line) That's our best line-up in the Matthews sweepstakes. I wish but it won't get that bad. Right now there are 9 teams behind us in points and another 3 tied with us at 50. It's one thing to miss the playoffs and be in position for a top 3 pick. It's another thing to miss the playoffs and get pick #13. Hey, I'd love to have a down year and end up with Auston Matthews. More likely it doesn't end up that bad and we don't get a high enough pick to make the losing worth it.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 22, 2016 16:33:40 GMT -5
9 teams behind, 6 teams behind...who cares if we don't have a glimmer of hope of winning a cup.
I'm sitting here green with envy at the Montreal/Toronto NHL business models. Win or lose, no matter what, the money spigot never slows down. All it needs to keep running is a tiny glimmer of hope...and rabid fans keep emptying their pockets.
Why can't i do the same thing? If i don't supply a great product all the time, without excuses, my customer gives me a swift kick in the nuts and even bigger one in the butt as i stumble out the door....
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 22, 2016 16:40:46 GMT -5
Nope, I want Carr on the 4th line. Patches - Pleks - Gallagher (that line's not changing) Chuck - DD - Weise (no chemistry at all) Flash - Eller - DSP (nothing to see folks, move along) Flynn - Mitchell -Carr (doesn't matter, just keep Carr off a scoring line) That's our best line-up in the Matthews sweepstakes. Not a critique of any particular lineup, but it is similar to arranging deckchairs on the Titanic. We don't have a sniper, our lineup of players that get ice time is small in stature and we are playing a style not suited to the talent we have. Drouin is not the answer to the immediate problem but he wouldn't hurt. Stamkos would solve our problems next year. Longshot low risk experiments with bad characters that failed on other teams haven't paid off. The direction the team is taking leads to the direction we are taking in the standings. Stay the course is what Christopher Columbus told his crew just before they hoped to make landfall in China. A win against Toronto would be satisfying for some fans but it doesn't really show that the team is back on track to win a cup. If Donald Trump and Sarah Palin lose the upcoming election they could be available to manage and coach the team. That would be HUUUUGE!!! I don't have a solution except to say that Plekanec and Eller aren't scoring and never will. The defense we thought was great is slow. Subban can circle back effectively and make 10 good moves until he crosses the center ice redline where his lack of speed or is coached not to take chances, rush or score. Price may have won us another two or three games but our goaltending has been good if not spectacular. That's the good news. The bad news is we are struggling to hold onto 10th place and lose the Auston sweepstakes. A great start has been squandered. Blaming injuries makes the bilingual "No Excuses" sign look foolish. There is enough look foolish to go around.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 22, 2016 16:49:13 GMT -5
Yes should have never been s not down .... Another alternative that has been suggested and not even tried in MT's totally imbalanced is reunite the Egg line this time with Chucky at centre. Carr on the top line given his nose for the net would not be a bad play either.... Whatever the mix until a replacement can be made for aeller at the very least these are the guys MT has to work with. Also for the love of god please shorten your bench in tight games rolling 4 lines to the bitter end is not helping.
HFTO
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 22, 2016 17:18:26 GMT -5
You have to roll the best offensive lines possible. Pacioretty/Pleks/Gallagher Eller/Galchenyuk/Carr Fleischmann/DD/Weise Flynn/Mitchell/DSP This has been our best formula. Pacioretty with Gallagher, Eller with Galcheyuk, and DD anchoring the 3rd line. The first two lines are capable of driving possession and scoring chances, and the DD line has been very effective in that exploitation role. We still have the lack of finish to deal with, but you have to create chances to bury them and that lineup is our best shot. With the exception of Daniel Carr, this is the lineup that excelled for the first 9 games ... I expect this lineup to start winning games ... seen Carr with success on the 4th line, too ... he's probably a better all-around RW than Dale Weise who seems to have forgotten that his best games came while he had his physical game going ... I guess he figures he's a goal scorer now and doesn't have to get dirty any more ... maybe he'll find his game again back on the 3rd line ... it was these two bottom lines that were contributing at the beginning of the season, as well ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 12:55:00 GMT -5
A little more than a year to the day. Carr has been sent down.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 1, 2017 13:07:33 GMT -5
With the healthy bodies returning it was likely going to be Carr or Andrighetto. I guess Ghetto's speed wins over Carr's willingness to go to the dirty areas. Ghetto does seem to have these occasional games where you see his potential, only to have long stretches where all you see is a guy skating around a lot.
The other factor is Carr does not have to clear waivers. Sven does. A little asset management in play.
Edit: Oops, forgot that DLR is still up with the club. I guess his size, speed and ability to play on the PK keeps him around (for now). Sounds like Chucky is leading the stretches today in practice, so that means he could be playing tomorrow.
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2017 13:15:04 GMT -5
With the healthy bodies returning it was likely going to be Carr or Andrighetto. I guess Ghetto's speed wins over Carr's willingness to go to the dirty areas. Ghetto does seem to have these occasional games where you see his potential, only to have long stretches where all you see is a guy skating around a lot. The other factor is Carr does not have to clear waivers. Sven does. A little asset management in play. Edit: Oops, forgot that DLR is still up with the club. I guess his size, speed and ability to play on the PK keeps him around (for now). Sounds like Chucky is leading the stretches today in practice, so that means he could be playing tomorrow. Agreed on all counts.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 1, 2017 23:55:47 GMT -5
I can only attribute this to asset management and Andy having to clear waivers. I would take Carr over Andy any game right now and any game in the future. I like what Carr brings every game. I am yet to see anything Andy brings. He's had one good game. Moreover a team cannot have DD, Andy, and Byron in the same line up.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 2, 2017 0:13:10 GMT -5
Moreover a team cannot have DD, Andy, and Byron in the same line up. I understand your logic, but remember that the league is speeding up, and speed is becoming a more important commodity than size. Ideally, you'd like to have both of course. The Pens proved last year that speed trumps size. The Sharks aren't a slow team, but some of their key players, while not slow, couldn't match the overall speed of the Pens. Ghetto probably won't be dressed once Galch is back, but DD and Byron are fixtures.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 2, 2017 0:21:07 GMT -5
Moreover a team cannot have DD, Andy, and Byron in the same line up. I understand your logic, but remember that the league is speeding up, and speed is becoming a more important commodity than size. Ideally, you'd like to have both of course. The Pens proved last year that speed trumps size. The Sharks aren't a slow team, but some of their key players, while not slow, couldn't match the overall speed of the Pens. Ghetto probably won't be dressed once Galch is back, but DD and Byron are fixtures. Pens have some pretty good skill and size up front along with their speed. Did the Pens have players as small and light as The Small Three?
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Post by blny on Feb 2, 2017 7:21:37 GMT -5
I understand your logic, but remember that the league is speeding up, and speed is becoming a more important commodity than size. Ideally, you'd like to have both of course. The Pens proved last year that speed trumps size. The Sharks aren't a slow team, but some of their key players, while not slow, couldn't match the overall speed of the Pens. Ghetto probably won't be dressed once Galch is back, but DD and Byron are fixtures. Pens have some pretty good skill and size up front along with their speed. Did the Pens have players as small and light as The Small Three? They're not that big. Sheary and Rust are both smaller players. Sheary is listed at 5'9. I think they're including his skates in that. Kessel is listed at 6', but not in this life time. Sid's 5'11. Letang is 6' if he lets his hair grow and Daley is 5'11. There are some taller folks, sure. But, they're not a 'big' team. They're a fast team, designed to hound you til you cough up the puck.
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 2, 2017 10:27:02 GMT -5
It's probably not the main factor, but I wonder if the expansion draft played into this decision? Carr is under contract for next season, BUT he needs nine more games to qualify for the draft. Andrighetto needs six more games, BUT he isn't under contract for next season. He's an RFA. While Las Vegas can take an RFA, the rules say that The Las Vegas franchise must select a minimum of 20 players who are under contract for the 2017-18 season.
Since Andrighetto is not under contract, he is slightly less attractive to them. They're only allowed to take 10 unsigned players, so would they waste one of those spots on a guy like Andrighetto? I doubt that he was high on their list to begin with, but nonetheless a minor move like this could help Bergevin quasi-protect another player. If they're trying to push the Knights to take somebody else (like say, Plekanec, oh yes I did), then having fewer "other" players available to them might help just a little bit.
Or maybe it's just a cigar.
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Post by blny on Feb 2, 2017 10:30:40 GMT -5
Good theory BC.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 2, 2017 11:17:52 GMT -5
It's probably not the main factor, but I wonder if the expansion draft played into this decision? Carr is under contract for next season, BUT he needs nine more games to qualify for the draft. Andrighetto needs six more games, BUT he isn't under contract for next season. He's an RFA. While Las Vegas can take an RFA, the rules say that The Las Vegas franchise must select a minimum of 20 players who are under contract for the 2017-18 season.Since Andrighetto is not under contract, he is slightly less attractive to them. They're only allowed to take 10 unsigned players, so would they waste one of those spots on a guy like Andrighetto? I doubt that he was high on their list to begin with, but nonetheless a minor move like this could help Bergevin quasi-protect another player. If they're trying to push the Knights to take somebody else (like say, Plekanec, oh yes I did), then having fewer "other" players available to them might help just a little bit. Or maybe it's just a cigar. I think Pleky would tick a great many boxes for Vegas, he has a cap hit of 6 but his salary for next year is 5, he is defensively strong and expansion teams are known for having defence first teams, He is a respected veteran in the league and the Knights would sell a whole wack of turtlenecks
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Post by Skilly on Feb 2, 2017 11:50:08 GMT -5
I don't think the expansion draft will influence any decisions regarding our forwards ... We are more than likely losing a defenseman in the expansion draft.
Markov Weber Petry Emelin Nesterov Pateryn Beaulieu
Considering we are going to protect Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Gallagher, Shaw, and possibly Radulov , the most defensemen we can protect will be three or four and we have to protect Petry. So we can wave bye bye to Emelin, Markov, or Beaulieu
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 2, 2017 12:03:36 GMT -5
I think the three that will be protected are: Weber, Petry and Beaulieu.
Emelin, Pateryn and Nesterov will be made available. Markov will be a FA and signed after the draft. I do think a defenceman will be selected and am guessing it will be Emelin.
The forwards protected will be: Pacioretty, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Shaw, Danault, Byron.
My last forward is going to depend on a few factors: If we make a trade for a player like Duchesne or if we resign Radulov. If this doesn't happen then I guess Plekanec gets protected. I can't see them leaving him exposed over Getto, Carr, Mitchell, De la Rose or Hudon.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 2, 2017 12:04:22 GMT -5
It's probably not the main factor, but I wonder if the expansion draft played into this decision? Carr is under contract for next season, BUT he needs nine more games to qualify for the draft. Andrighetto needs six more games, BUT he isn't under contract for next season. He's an RFA. While Las Vegas can take an RFA, the rules say that The Las Vegas franchise must select a minimum of 20 players who are under contract for the 2017-18 season.Since Andrighetto is not under contract, he is slightly less attractive to them. They're only allowed to take 10 unsigned players, so would they waste one of those spots on a guy like Andrighetto? I doubt that he was high on their list to begin with, but nonetheless a minor move like this could help Bergevin quasi-protect another player. If they're trying to push the Knights to take somebody else (like say, Plekanec, oh yes I did), then having fewer "other" players available to them might help just a little bit. Or maybe it's just a cigar. I started reading an article about expansion rules like the nuances you mention above, but as I was drowsing in the process, I quit. I love hockey, not rules. Pateryn is another guy who was mentioned as having to play 'x' number of games to qualify for something (inclusion, I guess). If I was McPhee, I'd take mostly younger players with potential and a few veterans with good character (for their leadership qualities). The cheaper the better. It does indeed look like Berg is putting Pleks near the checkout counter to make him look attractive. As McPhee, I'd pick Pateryn or Barberio ahead of Pleks. Pleks eats up too much CAP space and for an expansion team, that can be a real weapon in picking up draft choices that will make them better in the future.
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