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Post by blny on Feb 10, 2016 17:14:18 GMT -5
Once again I'd like to point out that signing bonuses count towards the cap .... You have a per annum cap hit of $15 million in your scenario. Teams are only allowed to offer 20% of the total cap to any one player. (If the cap is in the 70 million range, that's $14 million max) OK. I misinterpreted how the bonuses were applied.
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Post by blny on Feb 10, 2016 22:31:50 GMT -5
In an effort to make more room, while remaining hopefully that moves can be found to part with Plekanec, Markov, and Desharnais.
Pacioretty Stamkos Gallagher 4500000 11000000 3750000 Hartnell Galchenyuk lottery 4750000 2800000 950000 De La Rose Eller Andrighetto 925000 3500000 700000 Carr Mitchell DSP 900000 1200000 840000 70323333 total Coburn Subban 5000000 9000000 Emelin Petry 4100000 5500000 Beaulieu Pateryn 1000000 800000 Barberio 700000 Price 6500000 Condon 575000 PAP buyout 1333333
Here's a model with Stamkos at $11 million. It includes the PAP buyout. Weise and Gilbert are sold off. Andrighetto, Carr, and DSP are qualified at their respective minimums. Flynn is waived. Pateryn and Barberio are also qualified.
That's really up against it when you factor in the elc bonuses. Galchenyuk made $2.3 million in bonuses each year of his elc. Gotta figure having that amount of space is required. This is where moving Eller in trade comes in for me, if you don't want the recapture penalty the following year. Call up one of those teams whose scouts seem to think he is an elite shutdown guy in the waiting. Make the move.
Flynn's a solid face off guy, at 56.5%. The rest of his stats aren't that different from Eller's. If Flynn is waived, you could look to short term, cheap solutions like veterans Moore and Fiddler. They'd be a stop gap for McCarron, and if signed for their current wage would save Montreal $2 million next year. That would bring the team cap down to $68.323 million.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 11, 2016 8:06:43 GMT -5
There is no way Stamkos is coming here...Sportsnet had a vote on their site of who would be the next Leafs captain and it was between Reilly and stamkos... Reilly won. They even have video of the usual clowns discussing it. Sportsnet nonsense
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2016 8:41:24 GMT -5
There is no way Stamkos is coming here...Sportsnet had a vote on their site of who would be the next Leafs captain and it was between Reilly and stamkos... Reilly won. They even have video of the usual clowns discussing it. Sportsnet nonsenseI'm not saying it's a sure thing. But they can go a long way to selling him on it. His buddy Subban is here. There is a better supporting cast right now, and it can be made better through the retool. Get rid of the pieces that need to go and Montreal can offer as much or more than anyone. Do the next 6 mos right, and you're in great shape to contend. Then you bite the bullet and bring in a significantly better coaching staff. People have suggested the Leafs will contend with their own tank job this year. Nylander and Marner are nice. Rielly is good. Adding a top piece this year goes a long way, but there's a lot to do after that. Goal tending. Defense. Work is needed. They don't have Price or Subban. If Stamkos wants to contend in his prime, the Habs are better positioned to do so.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 11, 2016 9:31:48 GMT -5
There is no way Stamkos is coming here...Sportsnet had a vote on their site of who would be the next Leafs captain and it was between Reilly and stamkos... Reilly won. They even have video of the usual clowns discussing it. Sportsnet nonsenseI'm not saying it's a sure thing. But they can go a long way to selling him on it. His buddy Subban is here. There is a better supporting cast right now, and it can be made better through the retool. Get rid of the pieces that need to go and Montreal can offer as much or more than anyone. Do the next 6 mos right, and you're in great shape to contend. Then you bite the bullet and bring in a significantly better coaching staff. People have suggested the Leafs will contend with their own tank job this year. Nylander and Marner are nice. Rielly is good. Adding a top piece this year goes a long way, but there's a lot to do after that. Goal tending. Defense. Work is needed. They don't have Price or Subban. If Stamkos wants to contend in his prime, the Habs are better positioned to do so. I agree, but that would require MB to take a risk and imo he is very risk averse... just like his coach. MT doesn't care about the future or the big picture, he cares about winning now which explains why rookies get treated like crap. MB, in not adjusting/correcting MT thinking, is doing the same thing.
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2016 9:36:50 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's a sure thing. But they can go a long way to selling him on it. His buddy Subban is here. There is a better supporting cast right now, and it can be made better through the retool. Get rid of the pieces that need to go and Montreal can offer as much or more than anyone. Do the next 6 mos right, and you're in great shape to contend. Then you bite the bullet and bring in a significantly better coaching staff. People have suggested the Leafs will contend with their own tank job this year. Nylander and Marner are nice. Rielly is good. Adding a top piece this year goes a long way, but there's a lot to do after that. Goal tending. Defense. Work is needed. They don't have Price or Subban. If Stamkos wants to contend in his prime, the Habs are better positioned to do so. I agree, but that would require MB to take a risk and imo he is very risk averse... just like his coach. MT doesn't care about the future or the big picture, he cares about winning now which explains why rookies get treated like crap. MB, in not adjusting/correcting MT thinking, is doing the same thing. I'd agree that to date, Bergevin's been risk-averse. MT, like a lot of coaches, coaches to preserve his job. My hope would be that Molson applies some pressure. If you want to win with this core group, you HAVE to augment it now. Take a look at the UFA pool for July 1 2017. Yeesh. Stamkos is the fish.
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2016 10:00:32 GMT -5
FWIW, Maguire doesn't even think Toronto is on Stamkos' list. Citing the reason of 'wanting to win now', and insinuating that the Leafs at the beginning of the process and won't be true contenders within Stamkos' ideal window, Pierre feels that he'll end up elsewhere.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 11, 2016 10:55:55 GMT -5
I agree, but that would require MB to take a risk and imo he is very risk averse... just like his coach. MT doesn't care about the future or the big picture, he cares about winning now which explains why rookies get treated like crap. MB, in not adjusting/correcting MT thinking, is doing the same thing. I'd agree that to date, Bergevin's been risk-averse. MT, like a lot of coaches, coaches to preserve his job. My hope would be that Molson applies some pressure. If you want to win with this core group, you HAVE to augment it now. Take a look at the UFA pool for July 1 2017. Yeesh. Stamkos is the fish. Ya but they both got fat guaranteed contract extensions so there is no reason to not have forward thinking... especially if the owner, manager and coach agree to that... which I think Molson would agree to... he wants a team that is like a Chicago multiple cup winner not a Carolina 1 hit wonder imo.
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2016 11:11:20 GMT -5
I'd agree that to date, Bergevin's been risk-averse. MT, like a lot of coaches, coaches to preserve his job. My hope would be that Molson applies some pressure. If you want to win with this core group, you HAVE to augment it now. Take a look at the UFA pool for July 1 2017. Yeesh. Stamkos is the fish. Ya but they both got fat guaranteed contract extensions so there is no reason to not have forward thinking... especially if the owner, manager and coach agree to that... which I think Molson would agree to... he wants a team that is like a Chicago multiple cup winner not a Carolina 1 hit wonder imo. Extension or not, I think a lot of coaches are driven by what ensures their longevity. They fall victim to the notion that play the kids will lead to lots of mistakes and cost them their jobs. Chicago built their foundation by sucking long enough to draft Kane and Toews and supplement them with Keith and Seabrook. We didn't get that second top 3 pick. This would be a great year to get it. It's being reported that the Sharks are in buy mode. This seems to be their typical starting lineup. TOMAS HERTL JOE PAVELSKI JOE THORNTON 28.86% MATT NIETO PATRICK MARLEAU JOEL WARD 22.39% JOONAS DONSKOI LOGAN COUTURE TOMMY WINGELS 19.4% MELKER KARLSSON DAINIUS ZUBRUS CHRIS TIERNEY 15.42% Percentages are frequency of use. Couture is playing on the third line. Maybe if they had another center option they could move Logan up to the LW? Eller? Dallas are known to be shopping for defense. They're thin there, and Goligoski is a pending UFA. If Markov or Emelin would accept a move there, either could help them. Or Gilbert.
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Post by franko on Feb 11, 2016 11:55:25 GMT -5
LA looking for short-term/rental on d . . . Gilbert?
I'm middlin' on him . . . he does OK some nights and bad others. if there's a tank is it better to keep him around and play him lots?
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2016 12:06:43 GMT -5
LA looking for short-term/rental on d . . . Gilbert? I'm middlin' on him . . . he does OK some nights and bad others. if there's a tank is it better to keep him around and play him lots? Dump him and bring up a kid. I'd really like to see Ellis get a few games in this year. He's had a nice season and could be a dark horse to make the team next year. Tampa just announced that Garrison is out up to 5 weeks.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2016 1:32:25 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 12, 2016 9:22:09 GMT -5
I like Bob McKenzie's take on it when he was on TSN690 ... if Steven Stamkos is still around by July 1st, he can see the Leafs making a huge offer with money and term ($10-million/season range), but he also said that there are contending teams out there who will be offering the same deals ... it will come down to what Stamkos, himself, wants to do ... does he want to be a part of the rebuild in Toronto, or does he want a chance at a Cup ... Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 12, 2016 10:13:43 GMT -5
Trade him, get some missing pieces. Fire the coach Sign him July 1 ... Nothing shady about that!
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 12, 2016 11:36:10 GMT -5
The problem with Toronto is it's a total blank slate with all the UFA spots on the roster.
The core there is Rielly, Kadri, JVR, Bozak, Gardiner, and maybe Mitch Marner. Throw in average vets like Lupul and Michalek and there isn't a whole lot to get excited about. They don't have an elite goalie, they don't have an elite dman, and they don't have an elite forward.
Stamkos would instantly make them a better team, probably a playoff team, but there is still A LOT more that needs to happen in Toronto before they are truly legit. And it may never happen. Babcock is a good coach, but he can only use what he's given.
Montreal isn't the only other alternative, but it's BY FAR a better place to win RIGHT NOW. It really does depend on what Stamkos wants. Does he just want to play close to home and hope Shanahan/Babcock figure the rest out, or does he want a chance to win in the near term?
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 12, 2016 14:41:39 GMT -5
The problem with Toronto is it's a total blank slate with all the UFA spots on the roster. The core there is Rielly, Kadri, JVR, Bozak, Gardiner, and maybe Mitch Marner. Throw in average vets like Lupul and Michalek and there isn't a whole lot to get excited about. They don't have an elite goalie, they don't have an elite dman, and they don't have an elite forward. Stamkos would instantly make them a better team, probably a playoff team, but there is still A LOT more that needs to happen in Toronto before they are truly legit. And it may never happen. Babcock is a good coach, but he can only use what he's given. Montreal isn't the only other alternative, but it's BY FAR a better place to win RIGHT NOW. It really does depend on what Stamkos wants. Does he just want to play close to home and hope Shanahan/Babcock figure the rest out, or does he want a chance to win in the near term? If that is the case, Stamkos should sign a 3 year contract with the Habs and then he can win his 3 cups here and then go get his retirement contract in Toronto.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 12, 2016 14:51:01 GMT -5
23 years and counting….
I now know what it feels like to be a Leaf fan (in 1990).
If we miss this Price, Subban window…you HAVE to point to management and coaching…seeing as these two are in constant communication...and, by all accounts, in full agreement as to the team's current and future needs.
I mean….there IS a plan? Right?
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Post by seventeen on Feb 12, 2016 15:43:46 GMT -5
The problem with Toronto is it's a total blank slate with all the UFA spots on the roster. The core there is Rielly, Kadri, JVR, Bozak, Gardiner, and maybe Mitch Marner. Throw in average vets like Lupul and Michalek and there isn't a whole lot to get excited about. They don't have an elite goalie, they don't have an elite dman, and they don't have an elite forward. Stamkos would instantly make them a better team, probably a playoff team, but there is still A LOT more that needs to happen in Toronto before they are truly legit. And it may never happen. Babcock is a good coach, but he can only use what he's given. Montreal isn't the only other alternative, but it's BY FAR a better place to win RIGHT NOW. It really does depend on what Stamkos wants. Does he just want to play close to home and hope Shanahan/Babcock figure the rest out, or does he want a chance to win in the near term? I'd say they are very close to an elite dman...Rielly. I also don't think Kadri is in their plans. Throughout the year, Babcock has been pumping Phaneuf and Kadri. Obviously, it's to raise their trade value. Phaneuf has been dealt with, Kadri's next. Buyer beware, there are serious character flaws with that guy despite some physical skills. Totally agree that Montreal is a far better place for Stamkos right now, and it's pretty close to TO. It's the most credible, closest place, non? Would Detroit be a buyer?
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Post by oldhabsfan on Feb 12, 2016 17:30:14 GMT -5
I have to think that if Stamkos was selecting a destination because he wanted to win, he would look very carefully at coaching and management. That wouldn't be good for Montreal as is.
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Post by franko on Feb 12, 2016 18:09:11 GMT -5
I have to think that if Stamkos was selecting a destination because he wanted to win, he would look very carefully at coaching and management. That wouldn't be good for Montreal as is. by July 1st he may be looking at a new coach
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 12, 2016 18:17:11 GMT -5
I have to think that if Stamkos was selecting a destination because he wanted to win, he would look very carefully at coaching and management. That wouldn't be good for Montreal as is. by July 1st he may be looking at a new coach There's the operative word: may. We can add: might, should've, why, huh, etc., to the Sesame Street lexicon of our season… Maybe that's the wrong program with which to associate our plight. X-Files? Walking Dead?
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Post by Skilly on Feb 12, 2016 19:58:45 GMT -5
23 years and counting…. I now know what it feels like to be a Leaf fan (in 1990). If we miss this Price, Subban window…you HAVE to point to management and coaching…seeing as these two are in constant communication...and, by all accounts, in full agreement as to the team's current and future needs. I mean….there IS a plan? Right? Last off season I posted that the Price, Pacioretty, Subban window is 3 years now (4 tops, cause I think we will lose Pacioretty when he is UFA). Looking at the team now, we could lose Price. What's keeping him here in 2 years time? At some point the team has to show him they are serious about winning.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 12, 2016 20:11:28 GMT -5
23 years and counting…. I now know what it feels like to be a Leaf fan (in 1990). If we miss this Price, Subban window…you HAVE to point to management and coaching…seeing as these two are in constant communication...and, by all accounts, in full agreement as to the team's current and future needs. I mean….there IS a plan? Right? Last off season I posted that the Price, Pacioretty, Subban window is 3 years now (4 tops, cause I think we will lose Pacioretty when he is UFA). Looking at the team now, we could lose Price. What's keeping him here in 2 years time? At some point the team has to show him they are serious about winning. No argument here...
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Post by jkr on Feb 13, 2016 21:21:15 GMT -5
FWIW Kypreos thinks the best fit for Stamkos is MTL.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 14, 2016 12:41:02 GMT -5
FWIW Kypreos thinks the best fit for Stamkos is MTL. I saw that last night and I started thinking about cap space right away ... I don't know if it would work or not, to be honest ... don't know if Stamkos would actually want to come to Montreal, just the same ... not the best environment in Montreal right now ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 14, 2016 13:03:32 GMT -5
Yes, unless things change, I can't see it being a very inviting place for any FA.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 15, 2016 18:25:51 GMT -5
Tampa announced today they will NOT be trading Stamkos.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 17, 2016 0:39:43 GMT -5
The draft is becoming more important as time goes along, so it behooves us to review how it works, since it has changed from last year. ONe doesn't need to finish at the bottom to get a very good pick. Here's how it works, from an article directed toward Canuck fans who were wondering. www.vancitybuzz.com/2016/02/2016-nhl-draft-canucks/Draft Lottery
The NHL Draft Lottery will be run differently this year.
In past years, there was one draw done to determine who would have the first overall pick. It was usually the Edmonton Oilers who won, but it was still a weighted draw that gave teams who finished lower in the standings a better chance at first overall.
This year, there are some slight changes, as now the top-3 picks are lottery based.
Here’s the explanation from NHL.com:
The lottery only relates to the first round, as all other rounds are based on reverse order of the regular season.
So now that the fancy speak is over, how does that relate to the Canucks Habs?
If the season ended today, the Canucks Habs would have the 8th overall pick in June barring a lottery win for one of the top-3 picks. Based on odds, they would be unlikely to move up.
The chances of obtaining the 1st overall pick from the Canucks' Habs’ current position is 6%. Their odds could increase up to 7.5% and 9.02% for the 2nd and 3rd picks, respectively (thanks to Jeremy Davis at Canucks Army for running the numbers).
At 8th, the chances of moving up is 19%, staying in 8th is 39%, and moving down (9th to 11th) is 42% (thanks to SiR _Earl for the statistical analysis).
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 18, 2016 20:59:31 GMT -5
Pierre LeBrun ESPN Odd that he omits the coaching issue. Turning the page on this season is something I believe Habs general manager Marc Bergevin did long before most other people. It's why for a while now, I think, his focus has been on a long-term approach to fix what ails his team.
If there's any silver lining to having the world's best goalie out for most of the season, it's this: Bergevin has looked under the hood and had a chance to observe the rest of his team for what it really is to some degree. Or at least see how much Carey Price covered up en route to winning the Hart Trophy as league MVP last season.
So the focus ahead of the Feb. 29 trade deadline for the Habs is selling off some rental players. The heavier lifting, the potential for real hockey trades, will likely wait until the offseason, when most real hockey trades have happened in the NHL for the past half-decade. Think of the deals involving Tyler Seguin, Doug Hamilton, Milan Lucic, Jason Spezza, etc. Those were all June trades. It's the way the cap system has altered the way you build or fix your team. Summer is easier than February, for the most part.
That doesn't mean there can't be a big deal in the next 11 days. I think Montreal would listen to many ideas. But, from talking to people around the league, the Habs' main focus is mostly to get whatever they can for pending unrestricted free agents Dale Weise, Tom Gilbert and Tomas Fleischmann (for example).
Center Paul Byron, who has generated interest from other teams, is also a pending UFA, but the Habs would seem to rather keep him and re-sign him at some point. He has been a positive in a tough season after being picked up on waivers from Calgary on Oct. 6.
Sources suggest a few teams have shown interest in defenseman Alexei Emelin, who has two more years on his contract at a $4.1 million cap hit. But unless the Russian's camp approaches Habs management and asks for a move, I can't see how he goes anywhere.
Other players may also move, depending on the offers; the Habs can't afford to not listen these days.
In the meantime, it's not the worst thing in the world for the Habs to make the most of the offseason, pick an impact player in the June draft and turn the page.
Bergevin is a patient, calculated dude. This season has been trying, but other teams around the league seem to think the Habs GM is calm within this crazy storm in his passionate market.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 18, 2016 21:58:27 GMT -5
Pierre LeBrun ESPN Odd that he omits the coaching issue. Turning the page on this season is something I believe Habs general manager Marc Bergevin did long before most other people. It's why for a while now, I think, his focus has been on a long-term approach to fix what ails his team.
If there's any silver lining to having the world's best goalie out for most of the season, it's this: Bergevin has looked under the hood and had a chance to observe the rest of his team for what it really is to some degree. Or at least see how much Carey Price covered up en route to winning the Hart Trophy as league MVP last season.
So the focus ahead of the Feb. 29 trade deadline for the Habs is selling off some rental players. The heavier lifting, the potential for real hockey trades, will likely wait until the offseason, when most real hockey trades have happened in the NHL for the past half-decade. Think of the deals involving Tyler Seguin, Doug Hamilton, Milan Lucic, Jason Spezza, etc. Those were all June trades. It's the way the cap system has altered the way you build or fix your team. Summer is easier than February, for the most part.
That doesn't mean there can't be a big deal in the next 11 days. I think Montreal would listen to many ideas. But, from talking to people around the league, the Habs' main focus is mostly to get whatever they can for pending unrestricted free agents Dale Weise, Tom Gilbert and Tomas Fleischmann (for example).
Center Paul Byron, who has generated interest from other teams, is also a pending UFA, but the Habs would seem to rather keep him and re-sign him at some point. He has been a positive in a tough season after being picked up on waivers from Calgary on Oct. 6.
Sources suggest a few teams have shown interest in defenseman Alexei Emelin, who has two more years on his contract at a $4.1 million cap hit. But unless the Russian's camp approaches Habs management and asks for a move, I can't see how he goes anywhere.
Other players may also move, depending on the offers; the Habs can't afford to not listen these days.
In the meantime, it's not the worst thing in the world for the Habs to make the most of the offseason, pick an impact player in the June draft and turn the page.
Bergevin is a patient, calculated dude. This season has been trying, but other teams around the league seem to think the Habs GM is calm within this crazy storm in his passionate market. I kind of like this rational approach to things ... a good opinion ... Cheers.
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