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Post by CentreHice on Jan 26, 2016 0:07:17 GMT -5
It should also be noted that, although Craig Hartsburg has been an NHL head coach, he is an Asst. Coach with the Blue Jackets.
So….we couldn't generate anything more than two flukey goals on a third-string goaltender whose last place team was missing its head coach.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 26, 2016 0:10:29 GMT -5
Does this make them the worst team in the NHL then? At the moment, playing the way they are...yes. "At the moment"? How about the last two months. No one's record comes close to our futility.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 26, 2016 0:23:48 GMT -5
It should also be noted that, although Craig Hartsburg has been an NHL head coach, he is an Asst. Coach with the Blue Jackets. So….we couldn't generate anything more than two flukey goals on a third-string goaltender whose last place team was missing its head coach. My thoughts exactly! And we were also outplayed Saturday against another bottom feeder. The only hope for any turn around at this point is a loss tomorrow night at home against the 30th team with the boo birds out and MB will have to do a turn around. The d zone coverage is horrible. The PP even worse. We started the 3rd in a tie game with the PP. And it was dreadful, again. That is all coaching. Still no EGG line. Our best forwards tonight were Eller, Chuck and Gally. Hmmm!
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 26, 2016 0:36:19 GMT -5
And Petry, MB's big signing in his now far too long tenure, is awful and was a -3. Earned every one of them. I now see Petry's deception. He's a wonderful skater but has a very low hockey IQ and minimal offensive skills. So bad even the the Oilers who are desperate for dmen weren't interested. Step up MB and sign the guy to ridiculous money.
So MT is public enemy #1. But MB has been very close to getting to the top of the list given his insistence on keeping MT. His presser invited the focus of our wrath. Game on!
MB IS A TERRIBLE GM:
1) has not brought in one better than average player;
2) signed Petry - see above;
3) has participated in the criminal use of Chuck on the wing and not getting sufficient ice time;
4) never gave a #1 choice Tinordi a chance and lost a once promising asset for nothing;
5) has failed to address our #1 problem of getting a top 6 forward;
6) hiring MT;
7) refusing to fire MT.
8) signing Pleks to ridiculous money for 3 years.
Can anyone tell me one good thing he has done which required good management?
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Post by habernac on Jan 26, 2016 0:49:44 GMT -5
We're officially the worst team in the league. We barely beat the AHL Leafs and then lay an egg to a crappy Columbus team that played last night. Brutal.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 26, 2016 0:59:47 GMT -5
We're officially the worst team in the league. We barely beat the AHL Leafs and then lay an egg to a crappy Columbus team that played last night. Brutal. We didn't lay an egg. We played our usual game.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 26, 2016 1:48:49 GMT -5
Road Kill Pie...... Why wouldn't we be the worst team in the NHL? Move over Houle, we got Reclemation Bergy and MThead as team builder and coach. Nuff said....
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 26, 2016 1:55:09 GMT -5
And Petry, MB's big signing in his now far too long tenure, is awful and was a -3. Earned every one of them. I now see Petry's deception. He's a wonderful skater but has a very low hockey IQ and minimal offensive skills. So bad even the the Oilers who are desperate for dmen weren't interested. Step up MB and sign the guy to ridiculous money. So MT is public enemy #1. But MB has been very close to getting to the top of the list given his insistence on keeping MT. His presser invited the focus of our wrath. Game on! MB IS A TERRIBLE GM: 1) has not brought in one better than average player; 2) signed Petry - see above; 3) has participated in the criminal use of Chuck on the wing and not getting sufficient ice time; 4) never gave a #1 choice Tinordi a chance and lost a once promising asset for nothing; 5) has failed to address our #1 problem of getting a top 6 forward; 6) hiring MT; 7) refusing to fire MT. 8) signing Pleks to ridiculous money for 3 years. Can anyone tell me one good thing he has done which required good management? Look at the upside. This is the last time MThead coaches in ANY capacity in the NHL and Bergy will probably never get even an assistence job. I'm good with that.
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Post by habsorbed on Jan 26, 2016 1:58:52 GMT -5
And Petry, MB's big signing in his now far too long tenure, is awful and was a -3. Earned every one of them. I now see Petry's deception. He's a wonderful skater but has a very low hockey IQ and minimal offensive skills. So bad even the the Oilers who are desperate for dmen weren't interested. Step up MB and sign the guy to ridiculous money. So MT is public enemy #1. But MB has been very close to getting to the top of the list given his insistence on keeping MT. His presser invited the focus of our wrath. Game on! MB IS A TERRIBLE GM: 1) has not brought in one better than average player; 2) signed Petry - see above; 3) has participated in the criminal use of Chuck on the wing and not getting sufficient ice time; 4) never gave a #1 choice Tinordi a chance and lost a once promising asset for nothing; 5) has failed to address our #1 problem of getting a top 6 forward; 6) hiring MT; 7) refusing to fire MT. 8) signing Pleks to ridiculous money for 3 years. Can anyone tell me one good thing he has done which required good management? Look at the upside. This is the last time MThead coaches in ANY capacity in the NHL and Bergy will probably never get even an assistence job. I'm good with that. I wouldn't mind seeing MT behind the Bruins bench. And MB sitting beside Shanahan. That would bring me a to of comfort on various levels.
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Post by habsask on Jan 26, 2016 4:30:19 GMT -5
I am likely in the minority here but I can't see putting all the blame on MT and/or MB. Sure they have made mistakes and maybe the Habs need a new coach but IMO the players have to take an equal or bigger share of the blame.
They are the ones on the ice supposedly playing the game although it's mighty hard to tell these days.
Where are the on ice leaders? No where to be found it seems. Bunch of quitters.
Show me the players!!
Oh well, back to the NFL.
Cheers
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Post by blny on Jan 26, 2016 6:35:15 GMT -5
Therrien: "I'm disappointed in how the players executed and turned the puck over, You're not going to win many games like that..." Remember John McKay of the early TB Buccaneers? When asked what he thought of his team's execution his reply was - I'm in favor of it. Bahahaha. Great quote.
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Post by jkr on Jan 26, 2016 7:34:18 GMT -5
And Petry, MB's big signing in his now far too long tenure, is awful and was a -3. Earned every one of them. I now see Petry's deception. He's a wonderful skater but has a very low hockey IQ and minimal offensive skills. So bad even the the Oilers who are desperate for dmen weren't interested. Step up MB and sign the guy to ridiculous money. So MT is public enemy #1. But MB has been very close to getting to the top of the list given his insistence on keeping MT. His presser invited the focus of our wrath. Game on! MB IS A TERRIBLE GM: 1) has not brought in one better than average player; 2) signed Petry - see above; 3) has participated in the criminal use of Chuck on the wing and not getting sufficient ice time; 4) never gave a #1 choice Tinordi a chance and lost a once promising asset for nothing; 5) has failed to address our #1 problem of getting a top 6 forward; 6) hiring MT; 7) refusing to fire MT. 8) signing Pleks to ridiculous money for 3 years. Can anyone tell me one good thing he has done which required good management? Plekanec is signed for 2 years. Not much but it's something.
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Post by mikeg on Jan 26, 2016 8:22:29 GMT -5
Let me make another case for why the coach, GM, christ everyone in the organization just needs to go. Your all world, 4 trophy MVP winning goalie gets injured. Your backup plan is a kid with 0 NHL experience (Condon) and another backup you basically couldn't wait to get rid of (Toker). So... no protection whether it is a vet, or experienced player to backup your MVP goalie who does have a history of being injured every now and then. That is their plan before the season starts, let's be clear. They went into training camp thinking that that would be adequate if Price went down.
So then what happens? Price goes down. And here is where I think the case really needs ot be made for mass terminations. Because it was obvious he tweaked something. And since the organization doesn't say what it is, no one knows. So all we can do is speculate. Price, it seems, wants to get back ASAP as any player of his caliber would. So he seeks a 2nd opinion, he starts skating, and miracle of miracles he is back in nets 3 weeks after his undisclosed LBI.
So what does the organization do? Remember, this is a team at the top of the standings, under no pressure.
They play him in back to back to back games, with 1 day rest between the first and 2 days for the 3rd. Because, when you have an undisclosed LBI and you need a 2nd opinion of course it is perfectly OK to jump right back into it.
And what happens? By the third game, the LBI well... she's not exactly cured. And because everything was rushed it gets aggravated and probably gets much worse.
The whole situation with Price, your MVP, was handled so poorly and so amateurishly that it should cost every single person that signed off on him playing their job. Right there, no debate.
Losing Price exposed their lack of planning, total reliance on one player to cover for all the shortcomings of the organization as a whole. Whether it is player acquisition, or player development. Price or bust seems to have been their mantra, and... well... BUST is where it appears it's gotten us.
I do not trust anyone in this organization to be able to fix and clean this up. Just wipe the slate and start over before these guys get a 2nd CHANCE to rebuild. Because mark my words, if they do get that 2nd chance we are going to be having this same discussion 4 years from now.
10/29 - Price looks off on their road trip, clearly something is wrong 11/01 - Team announces he won't play 11/09 - Price seeks 2nd opinion on his injury 11/14 - Price starts skating 11/19 - Price says he won't return until he is 100% 11/20 - Price returns against the Islanders 11/22 - Price plays again on 1 day's rest, earns a shutout 11/25 - Price plays 3rd game in a row, leaves game after 2nd period 01/21 - Price injury update... another month
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Post by habsburgher on Jan 26, 2016 8:55:27 GMT -5
Well, they certainly built off that win against Toronto. Sorry guys. I think our season is done. This team struggles to get to center ice let alone score goals
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 26, 2016 9:17:34 GMT -5
--- Season's ticket holders ---
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Post by del on Jan 26, 2016 10:10:50 GMT -5
have been for a while. at times like this the bleu blanc rouge coursing through my veins wishes it could dilute a bit -- but it never will. Might I suggest some Ketel One, or some Glenmorangie, or Crown Royal Northern Harvest....all fine diluting agents. During the times when I was a refined lad, I always enjoyed a wee toot of Redbreast to help ease me over the edges of a loss........now I'm a roaring drunk and broke.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 26, 2016 13:01:27 GMT -5
Co-hosts on TSN690's noon hour discussing Therrien's bench management last night.
Basically...
Carr was injured in the first period. Instead of throwing Gallagher and Galchenyuk out for a double-shift now and then (or even putting Eller on the wing once in a while), MT instead decided to increase the ice times of Flynn and Flash. You need a goal…put together 3 solid lines and go for it.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 26, 2016 13:06:37 GMT -5
Let me make another case for why the coach, GM, christ everyone in the organization just needs to go. Your all world, 4 trophy MVP winning goalie gets injured. Your backup plan is a kid with 0 NHL experience (Condon) and another backup you basically couldn't wait to get rid of (Toker). So... no protection whether it is a vet, or experienced player to backup your MVP goalie who does have a history of being injured every now and then. That is their plan before the season starts, let's be clear. They went into training camp thinking that that would be adequate if Price went down. So then what happens? Price goes down. And here is where I think the case really needs ot be made for mass terminations. Because it was obvious he tweaked something. And since the organization doesn't say what it is, no one knows. So all we can do is speculate. Price, it seems, wants to get back ASAP as any player of his caliber would. So he seeks a 2nd opinion, he starts skating, and miracle of miracles he is back in nets 3 weeks after his undisclosed LBI. So what does the organization do? Remember, this is a team at the top of the standings, under no pressure. They play him in back to back to back games, with 1 day rest between the first and 2 days for the 3rd. Because, when you have an undisclosed LBI and you need a 2nd opinion of course it is perfectly OK to jump right back into it. And what happens? By the third game, the LBI well... she's not exactly cured. And because everything was rushed it gets aggravated and probably gets much worse. The whole situation with Price, your MVP, was handled so poorly and so amateurishly that it should cost every single person that signed off on him playing their job. Right there, no debate. Losing Price exposed their lack of planning, total reliance on one player to cover for all the shortcomings of the organization as a whole. Whether it is player acquisition, or player development. Price or bust seems to have been their mantra, and... well... BUST is where it appears it's gotten us. I do not trust anyone in this organization to be able to fix and clean this up. Just wipe the slate and start over before these guys get a 2nd CHANCE to rebuild. Because mark my words, if they do get that 2nd chance we are going to be having this same discussion 4 years from now. 10/29 - Price looks off on their road trip, clearly something is wrong 11/01 - Team announces he won't play 11/09 - Price seeks 2nd opinion on his injury 11/14 - Price starts skating 11/19 - Price says he won't return until he is 100% 11/20 - Price returns against the Islanders 11/22 - Price plays again on 1 day's rest, earns a shutout 11/25 - Price plays 3rd game in a row, leaves game after 2nd period 01/21 - Price injury update... another month It's called desperation, because Therrien knows full well how he accumulated 80% of the points the team generated during his tenure. More than most coaches, he relies heavily on great goaltending. I don't think its an outlandish proposition to suggest that some other players were also brought back too soon. Petry's only had one or two good games since 'returning' from his injury. Coincidence? Max hasn't really had the powerful stride we're used to, as well. I realize that many players play through niggling injuries, but these stand out. Oh yeah, Weise as well, has not been good since coming back.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 26, 2016 13:09:23 GMT -5
Co-hosts on TSN690's noon hour discussing Therrien's bench management last night. Basically... Carr was injured in the first period. Instead of throwing Gallagher and Galchenyuk out for a double-shift now and then (or even putting Eller on the wing once in a while), MT instead decided to increase the ice times of Flynn and Flash. You need a goal…put together 3 solid lines and go for it. Today on Twitter, there's a tweet from Elliott Friedeman quoting a source inside the Habs that Galchenyuk has been 'inconsistent'. I suspect it's the first salvo to soften up the fans for a possible trade. Remember, this is an organization that's leakproof....at least until they want us to know something. Marciavelli at work.
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Post by blny on Jan 26, 2016 13:19:22 GMT -5
Dr Mulder is still the team physician correct? Last I checked, his qualifications and reputation were beyond reproach. Not only did he know to run the tests to find the cancer and supervise Saku's treatment, he performed and emergency tracheotomy on McCleary in the tunnel to the locker room. He's directly responsible for saving 2 lives.
My understand is that he was involved in clearing Price for play. If his opinion/diagnosis was that Price was clear to play, I'm fine taking his word.
As for having a contingency plan for Price, no team has a contingency plan to replace a goalie of that caliber because no team can afford to have two #1 goalies on the roster at the same time.
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Post by mikeg on Jan 26, 2016 13:59:18 GMT -5
Dr Mulder is still the team physician correct? Last I checked, his qualifications and reputation were beyond reproach. Not only did he know to run the tests to find the cancer and supervise Saku's treatment, he performed and emergency tracheotomy on McCleary in the tunnel to the locker room. He's directly responsible for saving 2 lives. My understand is that he was involved in clearing Price for play. If his opinion/diagnosis was that Price was clear to play, I'm fine taking his word. As for having a contingency plan for Price, no team has a contingency plan to replace a goalie of that caliber because no team can afford to have two #1 goalies on the roster at the same time. Price sought a second opinion. I am not too sure how much Mulder played a role in his original diagnosis and who the second opinion was (although didn't he travel to New York for it?). And even at that who knows how much say he had in Price returning, it is all speculation like all of this is. But there has been a general sense of urgency in players returning form injury as seventenn pointed out above. And if Mulder was involved than I am sorry, he was obviously wrong... credentials or not, it does not make him infallible and less accountable.... or maybe he was right and Price chose to ignore him, IDK. My point about a contingency for Price is that he is no stranger to injury.. especially LBI's... the fact that they were content to rely on 2 unproven goalies and not do more to find maybe someone with a bit more pro experience was a mistake. I understand the cap, roster spots etc. but it just feels like poor planning. L.A. picked up Enroth for 1.25 Mil, the Bruins got Gustavson 700K... I would take both of those in a heartbeat over Condon/Toker/Scrivens.... to be my backup.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 26, 2016 13:59:31 GMT -5
Co-hosts on TSN690's noon hour discussing Therrien's bench management last night. Basically... Carr was injured in the first period. Instead of throwing Gallagher and Galchenyuk out for a double-shift now and then (or even putting Eller on the wing once in a while), MT instead decided to increase the ice times of Flynn and Flash. You need a goal…put together 3 solid lines and go for it. Today on Twitter, there's a tweet from Elliott Friedeman quoting a source inside the Habs that Galchenyuk has been 'inconsistent'. I suspect it's the first salvo to soften up the fans for a possible trade. Remember, this is an organization that's leakproof....at least until they want us to know something. Marciavelli at work. If they are trading inconsistent individuals, then half the team and all of the coaches, except Waite, would have to be traded. If they trade Galchy they would become the Montréal Feuille d'Érable.
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Post by mikeg on Jan 26, 2016 14:00:41 GMT -5
Co-hosts on TSN690's noon hour discussing Therrien's bench management last night. Basically... Carr was injured in the first period. Instead of throwing Gallagher and Galchenyuk out for a double-shift now and then (or even putting Eller on the wing once in a while), MT instead decided to increase the ice times of Flynn and Flash. You need a goal…put together 3 solid lines and go for it. Today on Twitter, there's a tweet from Elliott Friedeman quoting a source inside the Habs that Galchenyuk has been 'inconsistent'. I suspect it's the first salvo to soften up the fans for a possible trade. Remember, this is an organization that's leakproof....at least until they want us to know something. Marciavelli at work. I feel like I have been down this road before.
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Post by blny on Jan 26, 2016 14:20:54 GMT -5
Dr Mulder is still the team physician correct? Last I checked, his qualifications and reputation were beyond reproach. Not only did he know to run the tests to find the cancer and supervise Saku's treatment, he performed and emergency tracheotomy on McCleary in the tunnel to the locker room. He's directly responsible for saving 2 lives. My understand is that he was involved in clearing Price for play. If his opinion/diagnosis was that Price was clear to play, I'm fine taking his word. As for having a contingency plan for Price, no team has a contingency plan to replace a goalie of that caliber because no team can afford to have two #1 goalies on the roster at the same time. Price sought a second opinion. I am not too sure how much Mulder played a role in his original diagnosis and who the second opinion was (although didn't he travel to New York for it?). And even at that who knows how much say he had in Price returning, it is all speculation like all of this is. But there has been a general sense of urgency in players returning form injury as seventenn pointed out above. And if Mulder was involved than I am sorry, he was obviously wrong... credentials or not, it does not make him infallible and less accountable.... or maybe he was right and Price chose to ignore him, IDK. My point about a contingency for Price is that he is no stranger to injury.. especially LBI's... the fact that they were content to rely on 2 unproven goalies and not do more to find maybe someone with a bit more pro experience was a mistake. I understand the cap, roster spots etc. but it just feels like poor planning. L.A. picked up Enroth for 1.25 Mil, the Bruins got Gustavson 700K... I would take both of those in a heartbeat over Condon/Toker/Scrivens.... to be my backup. I've seen plenty of unfavorable commentary on a guy like Enroth. At present, he's benefiting from playing behind one of the stingiest defensive systems in the league. Last year, his GAA dropped almost a goal when he left Buffalo for Dallas, but his save percentage barely improved from .903 to .906. Jonas is having a decent year for Boston, but outside of perhaps the Leafs' tandem I can think of no goalie more maligned in the last 5-7 years.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 26, 2016 15:01:23 GMT -5
Co-hosts on TSN690's noon hour discussing Therrien's bench management last night. Basically... Carr was injured in the first period. Instead of throwing Gallagher and Galchenyuk out for a double-shift now and then (or even putting Eller on the wing once in a while), MT instead decided to increase the ice times of Flynn and Flash. You need a goal…put together 3 solid lines and go for it. Today on Twitter, there's a tweet from Elliott Friedeman quoting a source inside the Habs that Galchenyuk has been 'inconsistent'. I suspect it's the first salvo to soften up the fans for a possible trade. Remember, this is an organization that's leakproof....at least until they want us to know something. Marciavelli at work. Don't trust these clowns one iota. I absolutely expect a clown sideshow like bringing in a native "star" to divert attention from a fan backlash. Look at how Mol$on and company staged MB mea culpa after one night of booing. THAT is what was passed off as "action". This entire management has this ten day fishy smell....
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Post by jkr on Jan 26, 2016 15:01:54 GMT -5
Today on Twitter, there's a tweet from Elliott Friedeman quoting a source inside the Habs that Galchenyuk has been 'inconsistent'. I suspect it's the first salvo to soften up the fans for a possible trade. Remember, this is an organization that's leakproof....at least until they want us to know something. Marciavelli at work. If they are trading inconsistent individuals, then half the team and all of the coaches, except Waite, would have to be traded. If they trade Galchy they would become the Montréal Feuille d'Érable. Didn't Friedman talk about this on Saturday? He said teams have been calling about Galchenyuk & were being told he's unavailable.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 26, 2016 15:23:59 GMT -5
It could be a way of letting the player know what the organization is thinking, without going up to his face and telling him so, or someone covering their butt because he's not progressing as they'd hoped.
As an aside, but which is tangential to this, Jarred Tinordi played his second game for Arizona last night. For the second time, he played 15 minutes, was even on the day. No points, no assists, but not scored against. It was the least of the Arizona dmen, but that's a decent amount of ice time. Enough to learn something, not so much as to get him into trouble. He's probably not in the best game shape either.
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Post by jkr on Jan 26, 2016 15:28:50 GMT -5
It could be a way of letting the player know what the organization is thinking, without going up to his face and telling him so, or someone covering their butt because he's not progressing as they'd hoped. The passive - aggressive approach. Very healthy way of dealing with things.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 26, 2016 15:33:24 GMT -5
It could be a way of letting the player know what the organization is thinking, without going up to his face and telling him so, or someone covering their butt because he's not progressing as they'd hoped. As an aside, but which is tangential to this, Jarred Tinordi played his second game for Arizona last night. For the second time, he played 15 minutes, was even on the day. No points, no assists, but not scored against. It was the least of the Arizona dmen, but that's a decent amount of ice time. Enough to learn something, not so much as to get him into trouble. He's probably not in the best game shape either. Tippett is a good coach who has a bunch of young players to develop. .. Jared will do well there.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 26, 2016 16:51:10 GMT -5
It could be a way of letting the player know what the organization is thinking, without going up to his face and telling him so, or someone covering their butt because he's not progressing as they'd hoped. As an aside, but which is tangential to this, Jarred Tinordi played his second game for Arizona last night. For the second time, he played 15 minutes, was even on the day. No points, no assists, but not scored against. It was the least of the Arizona dmen, but that's a decent amount of ice time. Enough to learn something, not so much as to get him into trouble. He's probably not in the best game shape either. Tippett is a good coach who has a bunch of young players to develop. .. Jared will do well there. Wait, are you inferring that Therrien is not a good coach? Tinordi taking a top four position would "elevate" Bergeron to Houle's level....and both drinking buddies with Mulbury. Why? Why us?
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