|
Post by CentreHice on Feb 3, 2016 21:44:10 GMT -5
That's gotta be rock bottom..... Brutal....simply brutal.... Rolling 4 lines of dump-and-chase hockey until there were about 4 minutes left....and then a perimeter extra-man at the end.... Therrien and his staff are good for the tank....I'll give them that.... Great strategy, Bergevin....
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:46:48 GMT -5
Defense is a huge letdown. They can do way better than this.
It's the same errors in the defensive zone and the same perimeter plays in the offensive zone. Are they unaware of this?
|
|
|
Post by habsburgher on Feb 3, 2016 21:49:45 GMT -5
Rock bottom 5th time this week.
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 3, 2016 21:53:23 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Feb 3, 2016 21:54:02 GMT -5
To tarnish the club and the sweater with historical records for abject futility is not a right that Bergevin and Therrien have earned.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 21:56:14 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Feb 3, 2016 21:58:31 GMT -5
After the 1st 26 games the habs were short 11 points from being perfect.... in the next 26 games they've only gotten 11 points
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 22:00:02 GMT -5
24-24-4 now. Next loss (Saturday), they'll be below .500.
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Feb 3, 2016 22:00:00 GMT -5
Patches has to be towing the party line.... because he can't really believe that.
|
|
|
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 3, 2016 22:01:27 GMT -5
... L'Antichambre lauding Mike Condon ...
|
|
|
Post by jkr on Feb 3, 2016 22:06:45 GMT -5
I just cannot see how management can watch this & do absolutely nothing. They want fans to come yet they do nothing to earn loyalty. Fans have to stop showing up instead of blindly following the team. This is not Toronto.
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Feb 3, 2016 22:10:04 GMT -5
Post game press conference. .. mthead asked if egg line should be put back together. .. says now is not the time to put the egg line back together
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Feb 3, 2016 22:13:26 GMT -5
Therrien, paraphrased:
We are very aware that it's going to be incredibly difficult to make the playoffs....
We did a lot of good things...but we couldn't get that third goal....
The first goal against us...and the third one...that can't happen...
If you can't defend you don't have a chance to win....
Reporter: Any thoughts of perhaps reuniting the EGG line?
Not for now.
Therrien said he wanted to conserve the energy of the Top 2 lines for the end of the game....that's why he rolled 4 lines until there were 5:00 left or less....
He gave TSN690's Mitch Gallo a stare-down for bringing it up....and said, "That's second guessing...."
Francois Gagnon got the above response from him in French....
|
|
|
Post by franko on Feb 3, 2016 22:14:03 GMT -5
Post game press conference. .. mthead asked if egg line should be put back together. .. says now is not the time to put the egg line back together it isn't -- the Habs might score a coupla more goals. can't have that happening now can we.
|
|
|
Post by PTH on Feb 3, 2016 22:16:41 GMT -5
Berg played his "coach-changing" card in a different way, telling everyone he was going to stick around and it was a legitimate way to try and cool things down and stop speculation about MT's fate... but given how that's totally backfired... he's kind of stuck with it, moreso since missing the playoffs is essentially guaranteed at this point.... realistically, I think MT knows he's out, and so do the players, at this point everyone will try to not be the problem, but no one will take the bull by the horns and make us win.
|
|
|
Post by HFTO on Feb 3, 2016 22:22:39 GMT -5
Roll dem four lines ..... Never shorten the bench ......first 26 games lost 11 puts next 26 games gained 11pts .....Price or no Price does this make sense? ?? Is this for real? .….. And everything is the same?........seems they are aware of nothing!!!!! HFTO
|
|
|
Post by franko on Feb 3, 2016 22:23:02 GMT -5
on the positive side of things, if things keep going like they're going we won't be losing to teams that are lower than us in the standings.
|
|
|
Post by Willie Dog on Feb 3, 2016 22:27:23 GMT -5
on the positive side of things, if things keep going like they're going we won't be losing to teams that are lower than us in the standings. Franko channels his inner Bones... I like it.
|
|
|
Post by 24andcounting on Feb 3, 2016 22:27:47 GMT -5
I can't believe I paid $200 for Gamecenter. Literally throwing money away.
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Feb 3, 2016 22:29:42 GMT -5
Pacioretty led the forwards in TOI: 19:07
Next: Desharnais with 18:51.
Chucky scores a really nice goal: 15:56
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Feb 3, 2016 22:33:37 GMT -5
Says it all:
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 22:37:50 GMT -5
See, I know they're going to move some players at the deadline. But instead of Plekanec, Desharnais, Markov, Emelin, or Gilbert I have a feeling it's gonna be Eller, Barberio, Andrighetto, or Pateryn.
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Feb 3, 2016 22:39:57 GMT -5
Berg played his "coach-changing" card in a different way, telling everyone he was going to stick around and it was a legitimate way to try and cool things down and stop speculation about MT's fate... but given how that's totally backfired... he's kind of stuck with it, moreso since missing the playoffs is essentially guaranteed at this point.... realistically, I think MT knows he's out, and so do the players, at this point everyone will try to not be the problem, but no one will take the bull by the horns and make us win. He isn't really stuck with it, Paul. He's choosing to be stuck with it, which is ok I guess. The losing is getting to me and I'm wondering if it might be better to get a new coaching staff, give them time to install a new system and new attitude, but still look at cleaning out some bodies and bringing up some kids. We might not lose quite as many games, but we should still end up with a decent draft choice. The difference is that there would be some light at the end of a short tunnel. Right now, would any free agent want to come to this team? I think you might have to do something just for defensive reasons and to avoid the humiliation. Berg's not really bound by anything he said earlier. No one would dispute him going back on that promise. It will probably be better for Therrien and his crew as well, to get them away from the circus that is exploding around them.
|
|
|
Post by habsorbed on Feb 3, 2016 22:44:19 GMT -5
Post game press conference. .. mthead asked if egg line should be put back together. .. says now is not the time to put the egg line back together I wish they hadn't asked that question. MT will never do it now as if it were to be successful (and I've been promoting it for weeks now) he would look like and idiot - OK, well more of an idiot than he already looks. One thing about MT, he's dumb and stubborn - not a good combination.
|
|
|
Post by folatre on Feb 3, 2016 22:49:52 GMT -5
The message is stark: no one is accountable. For nine weeks it possible to lose more than four of every five games and yet everyone is doing adequate job?
|
|
|
Post by PTH on Feb 3, 2016 22:51:01 GMT -5
See, I know they're going to move some players at the deadline. But instead of Plekanec, Desharnais, Markov, Emelin, or Gilbert I have a feeling it's gonna be Eller, Barberio, Andrighetto, or Pateryn. This is where whether or not Bergevin is back starts to matter.... if he's going to get fired, he shouldn't be making hockey decisions. But I expect he'll stick around, but we'll start to see him make some tough calls, like decide who to give up on and who to be patient with. I expect guys like DSP, Barberio and Lessio to get more chances, but a guy like Andrighetto might find himself falling down (or off) the depth chart...
|
|
|
Post by PTH on Feb 3, 2016 22:53:31 GMT -5
Berg played his "coach-changing" card in a different way, telling everyone he was going to stick around and it was a legitimate way to try and cool things down and stop speculation about MT's fate... but given how that's totally backfired... he's kind of stuck with it, moreso since missing the playoffs is essentially guaranteed at this point.... realistically, I think MT knows he's out, and so do the players, at this point everyone will try to not be the problem, but no one will take the bull by the horns and make us win. He isn't really stuck with it, Paul. He's choosing to be stuck with it, which is ok I guess. The losing is getting to me and I'm wondering if it might be better to get a new coaching staff, give them time to install a new system and new attitude, but still look at cleaning out some bodies and bringing up some kids. We might not lose quite as many games, but we should still end up with a decent draft choice. The difference is that there would be some light at the end of a short tunnel. Right now, would any free agent want to come to this team? I think you might have to do something just for defensive reasons and to avoid the humiliation. Berg's not really bound by anything he said earlier. No one would dispute him going back on that promise. It will probably be better for Therrien and his crew as well, to get them away from the circus that is exploding around them. On the other hand, many assistant coaches and other candidates are available over the summer... if there's no one available right now who fits the bill, might as well stick with MT. I think MT gets canned within 72 hours of the last game, but not before.
|
|
|
Post by CentreHice on Feb 3, 2016 23:06:53 GMT -5
Absolutely ludicrous that a 5-20-1 implosion hasn't cost this coaching staff their jobs.
Mind-blowing.
How times have changed in Montreal....
Let's go back a few decades to Claude Ruel. He took over as coach when Toe Blake resigned after winning the 1968 Cup.
68-69. Ruel coached the Habs to another Cup.
69-70. The Habs tied the Rangers for the final playoff spot with the exact same record....and the Rangers got in because they scored 2 more goals.
70-71. The Habs get off to a 12-9-4 start.....and Ruel RESIGNED. He felt the club could do better with another coach.
Al MacNeil took over.....Pollock traded for the Big M.....rookie Dryden came in at the end of the season...and we stunned the Bruins in 7....and went on to do the same to the Blackhawks in the Finals.
That's called humility and honesty for the sake of the team. That was Claude Ruel. He also resigned after the Oilers upset the Habs in the '81 playoffs. He had reluctantly taken over from Bernie Geoffrion, who had resigned during the 79-80 season.
There is no humility with Therrien. He stares down reporters....he's full of excuses....he takes no blame....all the while knowing that the only thing saving him is a note from Big Brother saying that no matter what happens, he's still the coach and DON'T YOU FORGET IT.
Claude Ruel would've resigned at the Christmas break...or at least have told Bergevin to start looking at that point....
======================
I know....different era. Who is the last NHL coach to resign for the sake of the team? I have no idea....it might have been Ruel in '81.
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Feb 3, 2016 23:09:25 GMT -5
Post game press conference. .. mthead asked if egg line should be put back together. .. says now is not the time to put the egg line back together Can't anyway. Not after the eggs have gone through the blenderizer. Seventeen's temporary line-up. It will at least cool my anger Patches - Chuck - Gallagher Andrighetto - Plekanec - Weise Desharnais - Eller - Scherbak Byron - Flynn - Mitchell Subban - Beaulieu Petry - Markov Barberio - Pateryn Reasons? That's 2 guys from St. John's who aren't playing to any extent now. The biggest stretch is for Scherbak, but I think Eller can cover for him somewhat on defense. DD has been good at 3rd line LW. It's a defensive line with some offense at LW and some size at the other 2 spots. The first line is obvious. The 2nd and 3rd lines are more or less interchangeable. If Carr was available, I'd replace Ghetto with him. I'd also replace Pleks with Hudon if he continues to play poorly. He might need a jolt to get himself going and sitting out a game may do that. I'm not happy with Mitchell's game lately at centre. Putting him on the RW might work out better. Byron's hurt right now, so someone has to replace him. Don't really care who as it doesn't work without him there anyway. On D, Beaulieu has to play more minutes. If Markov and Petry don't have chemistry, move Markov down to 3rd pair, but I'd even out the minutes a lot more than now. Trying to put together a line-up really highights the lack of talent and options, but one has to start giving the young guys some time. The losers are DSP, Gilbert, and Emelin. I don't like their games. Pateryn's part of the future, may as well start treating him like it. Outside of Markov, it's a young, quick group. Beau and Barberio could be stronger. But it's not bad. Up front, one could even swap Eller and Pleks. Its more a matter of finding who has chemistry with who, rather than a 1,2,3 sort of thing. You can always give whoever is doing well, more minutes. Lots of holes in the line-up, but it's better than I saw tonight. If Scherbak can keep showing his offensive flair, it won't hurt to give him early exposure to the bigs. So what if his defense isn't that good right now. But we need someone else behind the bench to instruct and develop good habits in the boys.
|
|
|
Post by seventeen on Feb 3, 2016 23:13:47 GMT -5
He isn't really stuck with it, Paul. He's choosing to be stuck with it, which is ok I guess. The losing is getting to me and I'm wondering if it might be better to get a new coaching staff, give them time to install a new system and new attitude, but still look at cleaning out some bodies and bringing up some kids. We might not lose quite as many games, but we should still end up with a decent draft choice. The difference is that there would be some light at the end of a short tunnel. Right now, would any free agent want to come to this team? I think you might have to do something just for defensive reasons and to avoid the humiliation. Berg's not really bound by anything he said earlier. No one would dispute him going back on that promise. It will probably be better for Therrien and his crew as well, to get them away from the circus that is exploding around them. On the other hand, many assistant coaches and other candidates are available over the summer... if there's no one available right now who fits the bill, might as well stick with MT. I think MT gets canned within 72 hours of the last game, but not before. That would be the main reason to wait, the number of potential applicants. I know I've been a fan of Guy Boucher when others aren't as excited about it. Boucher is available right now, of course, but others aren't. I think Crawford is. The Swiss league is over and his team won. NOt a real fan of Crawford's but worth an interview at least. Keeping Therrien does make the chances of a top 3 pick that much more likely, though.
|
|