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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 11, 2016 16:31:50 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2016 17:12:09 GMT -5
Those stats have been put up before, but they're still pretty striking. Seven points in last 33 games, no PP points in last 36 despite being the first PP centre and -13 in +/-. More minutes than any other centre. An assessment from a Western Conference guy (no names given), that DD is a fringe NHL'r. If you were offered a guy like that in a trade, you'd say no thanks, we have lots of 4th liners. DSP has 9 points in his last 33 games. Seriously.
This is perhaps Therrien's greatest sin. It hurts the team's ability to win when he plays DD out of position and with that much ice time. There's a case to be made that he doesn't belong in the league at all, but we're playing him like a #1 centre. Think that's on the players? He hasn't been put where he can succeed. Third line, Left Wing. Simple.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 11, 2016 18:16:51 GMT -5
Those stats have been put up before, but they're still pretty striking. Seven points in last 33 games, no PP points in last 36 despite being the first PP centre and -13 in +/-. More minutes than any other centre. An assessment from a Western Conference guy (no names given), that DD is a fringe NHL'r. If you were offered a guy like that in a trade, you'd say no thanks, we have lots of 4th liners. DSP has 9 points in his last 33 games. Seriously. This is perhaps Therrien's greatest sin. It hurts the team's ability to win when he plays DD out of position and with that much ice time. There's a case to be made that he doesn't belong in the league at all, but we're playing him like a #1 centre. Think that's on the players? He hasn't been put where he can succeed. Third line, Left Wing. Simple. And teams would be lining up to grab Chucky at a handsome price if given the opportunity. Yet somehow, MT seems to think DD is deserving of more TOI and prime TOI at a prime position. How does this guy keep his job?
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Post by jkr on Feb 11, 2016 18:43:26 GMT -5
Those stats have been put up before, but they're still pretty striking. Seven points in last 33 games, no PP points in last 36 despite being the first PP centre and -13 in +/-. More minutes than any other centre. An assessment from a Western Conference guy (no names given), that DD is a fringe NHL'r. If you were offered a guy like that in a trade, you'd say no thanks, we have lots of 4th liners. DSP has 9 points in his last 33 games. Seriously. This is perhaps Therrien's greatest sin. It hurts the team's ability to win when he plays DD out of position and with that much ice time. There's a case to be made that he doesn't belong in the league at all, but we're playing him like a #1 centre. Think that's on the players? He hasn't been put where he can succeed. Third line, Left Wing. Simple. It seems like that "Western Conference guy" & this board know it but it doesn't appear the Habs know it. If the league agrees with that assessment MTL won't be rid of Desharnais until his contract expires in 2017.
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 11, 2016 19:14:59 GMT -5
Simply astounding stats. This administration's inability to see what's clear as day to so many has made me begin to lose faith in the whole group not just MT
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Post by folatre on Feb 11, 2016 21:11:20 GMT -5
Yes it is madness. Therrien faith-based decision-making is highly detrimental to the club.
Perhaps more alarmingly, Bergevin season after season permits both Desharnais and Plekanec to remain on roster.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2016 21:25:37 GMT -5
I think they know very well about DD. The only reason to play him that much is to hope and pray that he starts to score so someone will take him. It's a false hope of course and is hurting the team.
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Post by jkr on Feb 11, 2016 21:38:25 GMT -5
It sounds far worse when I actually listened, not just read the numbers. It's mind boggling that listeners still defend him.
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Post by jkr on Feb 11, 2016 21:42:51 GMT -5
I think they know very well about DD. The only reason to play him that much is to hope and pray that he starts to score so someone will take him. It's a false hope of course and is hurting the team. Based on that "fringe player" assessment I can not see anyone taking him on, especially at 3.5.
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Post by folatre on Feb 11, 2016 21:44:09 GMT -5
I hope that Bergevin knows.
To play him in order to trade him is logical. But it is absurd to play him #1 or #2 minutes/role when Galchenyuk is the only high end centre talent in the organisation.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 12, 2016 10:27:49 GMT -5
I hope that Bergevin knows. To play him in order to trade him is logical. But it is absurd to play him #1 or #2 minutes/role when Galchenyuk is the only high end centre talent in the organisation. As long as DD and Pleky are in the organisation MT will never, ever, ever have Chucky as the #1 centre... Never.
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2016 10:32:59 GMT -5
The only way to move him is to take salary back. Would Columbus, facing three more years of Hartnell at $4.75 million and a lack of depth at center, take DD for one year at $3.5 million? They've got an abundance of big wingers they can use to insulate him. Short of a deal like that, you're staring in the face of a buy out. I'm comfortable enough with that option if it comes to that.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 12, 2016 11:09:20 GMT -5
They were certainly putting the gears to DD this morning on TSN690 ... they were questioning how a guy with no PP points in the last (30-ish) PP's continues to get big minutes with the man advantage ...
Cheers.
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Post by mikeg on Feb 12, 2016 11:45:16 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread. Desharnais is the only "1st" line centre in the entire league who was not even drafted. Our number 1 guy is a drifter, we thought he was the next Marty St-Louis, he has had so many chances to prove that and fails every time.
I will give credit to MT, he is loyal to a fault. But that loyalty has put the franchise back a few years and stunted the development of the kid you drafted to be your number 1 guy.
It almost feels like a conspiracy from management on down to make Desharnais the number 1 guy... on any other team he would be fighting to just stay out of the press box.
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2016 11:52:01 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread. Desharnais is the only "1st" line centre in the entire league who was not even drafted. Our number 1 guy is a drifter, we thought he was the next Marty St-Louis, he has had so many chances to prove that and fails every time. I will give credit to MT, he is loyal to a fault. But that loyalty has put the franchise back a few years and stunted the development of the kid you drafted to be your number 1 guy. It almost feels like a conspiracy from management on down to make Desharnais the number 1 guy... on any other team he would be fighting to just stay out of the press box. There's another great one where the three of them are dancing in a field.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 12, 2016 14:32:03 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread. Desharnais is the only "1st" line centre in the entire league who was not even drafted. Our number 1 guy is a drifter, we thought he was the next Marty St-Louis, he has had so many chances to prove that and fails every time. I will give credit to MT, he is loyal to a fault. But that loyalty has put the franchise back a few years and stunted the development of the kid you drafted to be your number 1 guy. It almost feels like a conspiracy from management on down to make Desharnais the number 1 guy... on any other team he would be fighting to just stay out of the press box. I wonder if Galchenyuks name was Galchenier would he be our 1st line centre? The owner and management have stressed that a Francophone GM and coach are essential, would they not want a Francophone on the top line which would explain the never ending opportunities given to DD. Could it be the owner wants a Francophone star and we're stuck with DD? I cannot imagine that none of the management staff have not thought that DD just isn't working out and told MT to make the change. If they did and MT ignored it them, to me, it is grounds for dismissal... no questions asked.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 12, 2016 15:01:00 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread. Desharnais is the only "1st" line centre in the entire league who was not even drafted. Our number 1 guy is a drifter, we thought he was the next Marty St-Louis, he has had so many chances to prove that and fails every time. I will give credit to MT, he is loyal to a fault. But that loyalty has put the franchise back a few years and stunted the development of the kid you drafted to be your number 1 guy. It almost feels like a conspiracy from management on down to make Desharnais the number 1 guy... on any other team he would be fighting to just stay out of the press box. There are some execs out there who don't even consider him an NHLer; however, I do think he has a place in the league ... I really think trying to fulfill the expectations of a top-line centre has really done a number on David Desharnais ... I mean, I see the guy's facial expressions and I suspect he's pretty frustrated with not being able to meet the expectations everyone seems to have of him ... he might have been a good 3rd-line centre on a team that is already strong down the middle, but I really think this guy is caving under the pressure of those expectations ... having said that, I'm wondering why Michel Therrien hasn't moved DD back to the wing where he was having success ... he really looked like he had found his game again when he was playing as a 3rd-line winger, but for whatever the reason Therrien keeps him where he is and it's simply not working ... that's not Deharnais' fault ... Cheers.
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Post by mikeg on Feb 12, 2016 15:22:07 GMT -5
By all accounts he is a great guy, who his teammates all like etc.
But at some point results have to trump likability because this is starting to get ridiculous.
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Post by duster on Feb 12, 2016 18:46:22 GMT -5
I have a tendency to agree with Dis. I think DD is crumbling under the pressure of being asked to do way too much. From undrafted "pleasant surprise" to No 1 centre is not something that is easily achieved. To my knowledge, the last person who succeeded in doing this sort of thing was Wayne Gretzky. As a hockey player, DD must know that it's more than just a lack of effort.
Based on the latest blurb I read in La Presse, Bergevin thinks the problems are over and it's time to focus. I don't think a lack of focus by the players is the problem. He seems more interested in witty comebacks than addressing the DD issue which, in my opinion, is at the root of what's ailing the team offensively.
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Post by HFTO on Feb 12, 2016 18:58:29 GMT -5
Everyone remembers the DD 4-6 years a ago the 24 -25 yr old DD is a far cry from the almost 30 yr old version and he doesn't have an Eric Cole in his last career year. Everything comes to an end ... DD still has smarts and vision but in this new NHL as a top liner he is over matched....it's almost 2 years now it's not going to magically GET better ever....put him on the wing spot him on the front line on occasion but anyone they brought up and plunked in his spot would produce more just y accident.
I hate dumping on the guy it's not fair... Depending on what they do with Chucky the Habs are 2 min to 3 top six players away pick your position.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 12, 2016 18:58:51 GMT -5
No doubt he's feeling the pressure, duster.
I don't blame David Desharnais one iota for his predicament.
He's worked hard and done very well for himself. It's not his fault he got that contract (I can't imagine his agent doing much dickering)...and it's not his fault he's used as he is.
As Chucky once said, "I'm a player....I'll go where I'm asked to play."
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2016 19:04:14 GMT -5
I think in a lot of ways he's fallen into the same trap that Bozak did in Toronto. They're capable of secondary scoring in the right scenario but, like a third liner who shows flashes, isn't capable of making the jump to the next level. Those flashes put unrealistic expectations on them and undo pressure.
While I think there's a right 'scenario' out there for him to get back to a 16g 50-60p player, I think most of the league has given up on the idea of him as an option.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 12, 2016 19:11:16 GMT -5
I think in a lot of ways he's fallen into the same trap that Bozak did in Toronto. They're capable of secondary scoring in the right scenario but, like a third liner who shows flashes, isn't capable of making the jump to the next level. Those flashes put unrealistic expectations on them and undo pressure. While I think there's a right 'scenario' out there for him to get back to a 16g 50-60p player, I think most of the league has given up on the idea of him as an option. Right on! And where has that Bozak team gone? Nowhere.....same thing with the Matt Stajan #1 centre Leaf team. And Stajan seemed to be the best of the 3.
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Post by blny on Feb 12, 2016 21:42:58 GMT -5
I think in a lot of ways he's fallen into the same trap that Bozak did in Toronto. They're capable of secondary scoring in the right scenario but, like a third liner who shows flashes, isn't capable of making the jump to the next level. Those flashes put unrealistic expectations on them and undo pressure. While I think there's a right 'scenario' out there for him to get back to a 16g 50-60p player, I think most of the league has given up on the idea of him as an option. Right on! And where has that Bozak team gone? Nowhere.....same thing with the Matt Stajan #1 centre Leaf team. And Stajan seemed to be the best of the 3. Matt's another. It took him a long time to find 'himself'. He's been a pretty good checking center for the Flames.
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