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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 21, 2021 17:03:16 GMT -5
The Brazilian variant is supposed to some really bad Saperlipopette... A recent study suggests the Brazilian variant may be resisting antibodies in people who should have some immunity because they have caught and recovered from an earlier version of coronavirus...it is appearing in Florida... www.bbc.com/news/health-55659820And of course the spring "I'm so important I have to go to Miami" breakers are getting treated like rioters for breaking curfew... I love it pepper spray the Saperlipopette out of them... So I expect the b-variant to spread like wildfire very soon
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Post by franko on Mar 21, 2021 20:48:04 GMT -5
The study on AZ was done by a third party and funded by the Gates foundation. funded by the Gates foundation? well there you have it right there. he's the one that funded the creation of the virus in the first place, so that he could implant little computer chips into our arms to control us and/or depopulate the world and/or . . . oh, sorry.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 21, 2021 21:26:18 GMT -5
The study on AZ was done by a third party and funded by the Gates foundation. funded by the Gates foundation? well there you have it right there. he's the one that funded the creation of the virus in the first place, so that he could implant little computer chips into our arms to control us and/or depopulate the world and/or . . . oh, sorry. That's impossible. It would be crashing out every 5 minutes....and need 3000 scientist to keep it deadly.....
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 22, 2021 14:33:08 GMT -5
Just got off the phone with my GP. HIGHLY informed and read the current studies. He is my doctor because he and i have a bit of a personal relationship, he is highly informed and he does not bullcrap or the God syndrome even in the slightest. It's now 30 years since i teased him about carrying his ID so i didn't confuse him with the janitor.
So....
In that study, he said that they did not have enough patients nor focused on the high risk groups to know how effective it was in preventing extreme sickness. It may or may not. But with tens of millions taking the AZ, in time we will know how effective it is for those under 65...but that will take multiple to several months. We will NOT know about those over 65 and he preffers his over 65 patients to take Pfizer or Moderna.
He did say that.....it is better for the masses to be vaccinated regardless of which type so as to slow down or stop the CURRENT dominant viruses.
To be absolutely clear, AZ IS EFFECTIVE to whatever degree against the CURRENT main covid and non SA varients.
He also has the exact same concerns about the SA varient. The doubling every week has him scarred big time.
Synopsis...we do NOT know how effective the AZ for severe sypmtoms against SA varient. We do NOT know how effective for severe symptoms the Pfizer or Moderna is against the SA varient. The company itself said two thirds less effective for preventing mid to mild sypmtoms.
We will know all this in real time because the SA is spreading and wont be dominating for at least a month. Then another month to see if it's bypasing the vaccines. Then another month for it to become public and bypass the garbage media that thinks it should keep us in the dark like mushrooms. Three months, let's say June/July....before we know more definitively if we're back to square one.
Sorry...i don't have good news.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 22, 2021 14:50:44 GMT -5
And more bad news...
My lifelong doctor friend in Greece who is also in the regional covid response team said they are in a sh**storm there. The UK varient has spread very rapidly and even though they are jabbing like crazy, it's overwhealming them. It will be another couple of months before they get it under control.
We are also seeing the UK varient HERE and right now, it's over 4200 and doubling every 1.5 weeks. See my post a page back.
Prepare for more shutdowns....and do not let your gaurd down.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 22, 2021 15:10:41 GMT -5
Ohh and my last piece of info....my Canadian doctor is also seriously concerned if the vaccines will cause unforseen side effects. Like him cheering for the Habs. Obviously he's a sick man....proudly wearing his blue and white infection.
Sad.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 23, 2021 3:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 23, 2021 3:36:16 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 23, 2021 9:24:17 GMT -5
Good info, HA ... keep it coming ...
Cheers, mate.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 23, 2021 12:18:31 GMT -5
Good info, HA ... keep it coming ... Cheers, mate. Only if you supply the beer! A LOT of beer. Those damn medical studies are tough, dry reading. The math is childs play but the way they write them is annoying. That may be because English is probably their second language and they don't spend time to actually explain or make their sentences clear. I tried to post a study last night and gave up because it was simply easier to look for an article on it then spend hours rewriting it to make sense in laymans terms. Anywho...as long as there is this damn virus around and someone is reading them, I'll keep track and post it. BTW...also sending links to my doctor. If he responds/comments on them, I'll post it.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 23, 2021 20:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 24, 2021 14:21:12 GMT -5
I was wondering why the province needs more and more funding to vaccinate people. Well, it looks like various groups met poiticians and inevitably....politicians will never fail to lick votes. Read this first... www.google.ca/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/7714380/covid-ontario-vaccination-plan-phase-2/amp/Vaccinate seniors, front line workers and isolated indiginous or non indiginous communities. Great. Now start dozens and dozens in not hundreds of sub categories and special interests. Stupid. Just vaccinate as fast as humanly possible through centers and pharmacies, get the masses and then also worry about setting up teams to get to vulnurable communities that are not mobile. Prioritizing and organizing this that and the other looks good for politicians but if the masses aren't taken care off first, where it is essier to do and vastly bigger result, then getting to a certain group wont do them much good. A twenty year old grocery clerk, a 20 year old mcdonalds burger flipper and a 30 year old taxi driver is not a high risk group. Period. Though their POLITICAL LOBBIES will obviously disagree. Trust stupid politicians to do stupid things.....
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 30, 2021 2:23:09 GMT -5
This went from...let's-make-excuses-for-AZ-and-keep-jabbing to very, very serious. This isn't some random blood clotting events, but a direct result of the AZ vaccine.
One in a hundred thousand and 40% mortality is pushing where the cure is a littl competitor with the disease in body bags.
Of course, CTV and CBC FAILED to mention that tiny little deadly fact. Have I ever said that I despise the biased and lying propaganda media? Who are they covering up for from political fallout? Any guesses?
To put the numbers in perspective....
22 million doses Dear Leader bought means 11 million Canadians. At 1 in 100,000 that means 110 x 2 for two doses. That's 220 instances of blot clots at 40% mortality, that's 88 body bags.
(Those who got AZ, keep your vigilance up for two weeks because from what I read, it's over response of the immune system until it settles down.)
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 30, 2021 3:00:51 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Mar 30, 2021 5:41:47 GMT -5
I find the situation around the AZ vaccine confusing. When the questions around it starting surfacing, the stories concerned people over 65. Now they want to keep it from women under 55?
How much choice do we have when going for a shot? My mother lives in a retirement home in Peel Region. She received 2 doses of Moderna in February. I know some one who works in the health care field in the Guelph area that received a shot about 10 days ago. It was the Pfizer vaccine.
My wife goes today. I have an appointment at the end of April. If it's AZ and I refuse will I have to go back in the queue?
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Post by Gogie on Mar 30, 2021 8:21:26 GMT -5
This went from...let's-make-excuses-for-AZ-and-keep-jabbing to very, very serious. This isn't some random blood clotting events, but a direct result of the AZ vaccine. One in a hundred thousand and 40% mortality is pushing where the cure is a littl competitor with the disease in body bags. Of course, CTV and CBC FAILED to mention that tiny little deadly fact. Have I ever said that I despise the biased and lying propaganda media? Who are they covering up for from political fallout? Any guesses? To put the numbers in perspective.... 22 million doses Dear Leader bought means 11 million Canadians. At 1 in 100,000 that means 110 x 2 for two doses. That's 220 instances of blot clots at 40% mortality, that's 88 body bags. (Those who got AZ, keep your vigilance up for two weeks because from what I read, it's over response of the immune system until it settles down.) I'm going to throw a few numbers around to put your numbers in perspective. To reiterate, your numbers (which I don't dispute) are that 1 in 100,000 people will suffer blood clots as a result of using the AstraZeneca vaccine. Note that at least one source puts the incidence much lower (Thrombosis Canada states between 1 in 250,000 and 1 in 500,000 thrombosiscanada.ca/tc-updated-statement-march-18/). To put that into perspective, according to the US National Center for Biotechnology Information: " Venous thrombosis, including deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism, occurs at an annual incidence of about 1 per 1000 adults. Rates increase sharply after around age 45 years, and are slightly higher in men than women in older age. Major risk factors for thrombosis, other than age, include exogenous factors such as surgery, hospitalization, immobility, trauma, pregnancy and the puerperium and hormone use, and endogenous factors such as cancer, obesity, and inherited and acquired disorders of hypercoagulation. This review focuses on epidemiology of venous thrombosis and the general implications of this in patient management." (Source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2020806/ note that Canadian numbers are difficult to find but most likely comparable) In other words, the chances of getting a blood clot in the general population under ordinary circumstances is at least 100 times MORE likely than the chances of getting a blood clot from the vaccine itself. Yes, any risk of death is extremely serious, but note that the risk of getting a blood clot if you get Covid are much higher - again, according to Thrombosis Canada " people who have COVID-19 are at much higher risk of developing blood clots, which occur in about 1 in 20 people who are in hospital with COVID-19 and in about 1 in 100 people who have COVID-19 but are not in hospital". No one should take risks lightly, but all risks have to be evaluated in a reasonable manner. Based on what I know I would be willing to get the AstraZeneca vaccine and accept the low risk of blood clots associated with it rather than risk getting Covid and all the risks to health that entails. In the interest of full disclosure I am a senior and I have no medical training/education so take what I say with many grains of salt and do your own research before making any decisions for yourself.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 30, 2021 13:10:31 GMT -5
No one should take risks lightly, but all risks have to be evaluated in a reasonable manner. Based on what I know I would be willing to get the AstraZeneca vaccine and accept the low risk of blood clots associated with it rather than risk getting Covid and all the risks to health that entails. In the interest of full disclosure I am a senior and I have no medical training/education so take what I say with many grains of salt and do your own research before making any decisions for yourself. To be clear here, i am NOT recommending any course of action. People have to weigh their risk assessment and decide on their action.
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 31, 2021 14:33:22 GMT -5
Great article.... Tasha Kheiriddin: AstraZeneca advice is another in Canada's long list of pandemic flip-flops. Canada’s public health officials made a shocking number of mistakes. Poor advice on the AstraZeneca vaccine is but the latest one. Flip-flop, flip-flop. What’s that sound? It’s the making of Canadian health-care policy on COVID-19. The long list of COVID policy reversals began even before the pandemic officially took hold a year ago, and continues unabated. Here’s a short trip down memory lane: COVID won’t be Canada’s problem; we are officially in a pandemic. There is no evidence of asymptomatic spread; asymptomatic spread is real. Masks are not helpful; everybody wear masks please. Canada will have adequate vaccines; dear U.S. President Joe Biden, please send us vaccines. Vaccines shouldn’t be spaced more than three weeks apart; vaccines can be spaced four months apart. The AstraZeneca vaccine is not safe for seniors; the AstraZeneca vaccine shouldn’t be given to people under 55. And so on. It’s enough to make you sick — literally. More.... www.google.ca/amp/s/nationalpost.com/opinion/tasha-kheiriddin-astrazeneca-advice-is-another-in-canadas-long-list-of-pandemic-flip-flops/wcm/339f3405-fa2b-4daf-9d29-b9145264f45b/amp/
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Post by Skilly on Mar 31, 2021 15:51:20 GMT -5
I find the situation around the AZ vaccine confusing. When the questions around it starting surfacing, the stories concerned people over 65. Now they want to keep it from women under 55? How much choice do we have when going for a shot? My mother lives in a retirement home in Peel Region. She received 2 doses of Moderna in February. I know some one who works in the health care field in the Guelph area that received a shot about 10 days ago. It was the Pfizer vaccine. My wife goes today. I have an appointment at the end of April. If it's AZ and I refuse will I have to go back in the queue? My wife was worried to death that she'd have to take the Aztrazeneca vaccine. The latest shipment to NL was primarily AZ. My wife suffers from bloods clots. The NL Health Authority this week put her worries to bed. NL will not be giving the AZ vaccine to anyone under the age of 55
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Post by UberCranky on Mar 31, 2021 16:27:32 GMT -5
I can't imagine anyone "forced" to take a certain vaccine thry are not comfortable with. Or worse, potential harm.
Then again, Dear Leader wants to put pressure on us to take whatever Dear Leader bought. Otherwise why the uber arrogant "“The bottom line for Canadians is the right vaccine for you to take is the very first vaccine that you are offered,”
To which I reply...."the right bridge for you to jump off is the first bridge you come to".
Man-oh-man, do I hate little wannabe KimmyJungy Dear Leaders...
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Post by jkr on Apr 1, 2021 7:45:28 GMT -5
Why don't they tell people ahead of time - this is the vaccine that is going to be admnistered. If you are comfortable with AZ, then make the appointment. Its better than going to the site and backing out of an appointment or taking something that makes you uncomfortable, or worse.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 1, 2021 11:36:10 GMT -5
A good article from Maclean's Magazine ... 15 questions about the AstraZeneca vaccine in wake of new recommendations Vaxx Populi: What happens to Canadians 55-and-under who've had a first dose, what to do if you're offered the vaccine, what we know about a condition called VIPIT, and moreBy Patricia Treble March 31, 2021 Vaccine for COVID 19 by AstraZeneca box next to a syringe (Photo by Stefano Guidi/Getty Images)In the past few months, as AstraZeneca got its COVID-19 vaccine approved in Britain, Canada and Europe, it has contended with a growing list of concerns about its research and marketing techniques as well as deepening worries about whether the vaccine is causing blood clots, including obstructions that prevent blood from draining from the brain (known as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis), which killed at least nine people in Germany shortly after they received the AstraZeneca vaccine.On Monday, Canada’s National Advisory Committee on Immunizations (NACI) altered its guidance regarding the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine and recommended a pause in giving it to adults under 55 years of age until more investigations could occur into a possible relationship between the vaccine and blood clots. Didn’t the European Medicines Agency just review that blood clot concern and say the vaccine was safe?
Earlier in March, as reports of blood clots were being flagged in the surveillance systems that monitor any possible post-vaccination side effects, more than 20 European countries temporarily stopped using the AstraZeneca vaccine. At that point, there were 37 reports of blood clots among the more than 17 million people who received doses in Europe and Britain. On March 18, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) stated that the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine “is not associated with an increase in the overall risk of blood clots.” Still, while the EMA committee conducting the preliminary review “was of the opinion that the vaccine’s proven efficacy in preventing hospitalization and death from COVID-19 outweighs the extremely small likelihood” of developing two rare blood clotting disorders, it also cautioned that the vaccine may be associated with very rare cases of blood clots associated with low levels of blood platelets.” What changed since that EMA decision and what is VIPIT? Research into the clotting issue didn’t stop, especially into that unusual combination of people having widespread blood clots and low platelet counts, which resembles “a rare side effect of the blood thinner heparin called heparin-induced thrombocytopenia,” Science magazine reported. Clotting specialist Andreas Greinacher named that combination of symptoms “vaccine-induced prothrombotic immune thrombocytopenia,” or VIPIT. And, as Science explains, though other researchers weren’t sure of Greinacher’s explanation, they were convinced that the vaccine was causing rare symptoms. A hematologist in the United States told The Atlantic that while he wasn’t yet convinced by the “vaccine-induced” part of the VIPIT name, he did think “these cases raise concern that this vaccine is potentially life-threatening in a small subset of patients.” How common is VIPIT among those who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine and why are those clots concerning enough for NACI to change its recommendation? The Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table offers a lay summary: “These blood clots have two important features: they occur four to 20 days after vaccination, and they are associated with low platelets (tiny blood cells that help form blood clots to stop bleeding).”Research is still very early. Scientists had found at least 13 people with both blood clots as well as low platelet counts before the EMA decision, according to Science magazine. And that later research, led by Greinacher, looked at only nine people who exhibited blood clotting events after vaccination (seven had cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST); another had CVST plus another vein thrombosis; the ninth had a pulmonary embolism; four of them died), and examined the blood samples that were available for four of them. Most of the cases of VIPIT in Europe involve women under 55 years of age, though that may be the result of vaccines being given to more women than men. Right now, according to NACI, “the case fatality of VIPIT is approximately 40 per cent,” though that the rate may fall with more awareness of the potential side effect and earlier treatment. While scientists need to conduct more research into establishing whether there is a definite link between VIPIT and the AstraZeneca vaccine, NACI felt there was enough new data that it wanted to revise its recommendation, which it did on Monday. To date, no cases of VIPIT have been reported in Canada. As of now, “VIPIT seems to be rare, occurring in anywhere from 1 in every 125,000 to 1 in 1 million people,” the Science Table stated in its March 26 guidance, though those statistics are being constantly updated. On Monday, the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut released more surveillance data for Germany: of around 2.7 million people given the AstraZeneca vaccine, there have been 31 cases of CVST (29 were women), with nine deaths. How many of those cases of cerebral blood clots also have low platelet counts isn’t yet known. What role does Health Canada play, given it has approved AstraZeneca for use?
On Tuesday, March 30, Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada’s chief public health officer, explained that Health Canada, as the regulator of vaccines, “triggered a signal to the manufacturer to say we need more data, we need it to be broken down by age and sex, to look for this more serious and rare side effect that is being seen following immunization, even though we haven’t seen it yet in Canada.” “While the data is being gathered,” Tam continued, “we amassed experts from Canada but also had experts from Germany provide what their first-hand interpretation of what this clotting with low platelets entity is like and some of the underlying scientific explanations.” At that point, NACI said that while it was waiting for more information, it had seen enough new science from Europe to “take the precautionary approach,” Tam continued. “And given the data that we’ve seen where most of these rare cases occur in the under-55s, that’s the recommendation they have provided to pause offering AstraZeneca vaccine for this age group, for now.” After NACI made this new recommendation, all the chief medical officers in Canada met virtually, were briefed on the new information and recommendations and “made a unified position to take this precautionary approach,” Tam explained, “to keep Canadians as safe as possible while offering a safe and effective vaccine.” What’s next?
Health Canada is conducting a “full risk assessment” of the AstraZeneca vaccine, Dr. Tam explained. Why weren’t these possible health issues detected earlier?
“The advice on any medication or vaccine can evolve over time, and I think Canadians should be reassured that we have systems in place to detect safety signals and then analyze them,” Dr. Tam explained on Tuesday. “Every medication or vaccine can come with rare side effects which will not be picked up until many millions of people receive the vaccine. The initial clinical trial, with tens of thousands, will not pick up rare events. So I think the important thing to emphasize to everyone is that we have systems and checks and balances in place.” How many Canadians under 55 have gotten the vaccine?
That’s not clear, though the number is likely quite low. As of now, only around 310,000 doses of AstraZeneca have been distributed for use in Canada, Tam says, with most provinces, including Ontario, giving them to people 60 and older. What happens to those Canadians under 55 who have received a shot of AstraZeneca?
Federal officials are working on that advice right now, but Dr. Howard Njoo, Canada’s deputy chief medical officer of health, points out that, as there are up to 16 weeks between doses, there is time to figure out a next step before that issue becomes pressing. One possible solution may be to mix-and-match the first AstraZeneca dose with a second dose of mRNA vaccine from Pfizer or Moderna. There is a study being conducted in Britain right now regarding such a strategy. Wait a sec, let’s back up: Initially, those who are 65 years and older were barred from getting the AstraZeneca vaccine. Then it was all adults. Now it’s OK for just those 55 and older. What’s going on?
Your confusion is justified. This new NACI recommendation is its third for the AstraZeneca vaccine in less than a month. On March 1, shortly after Health Canada approved the vaccine for use, NACI recommended it only be given to those between 18 and 64 years of age. There were concerns as to the vaccine’s efficacy for seniors because its phase three trials in Britain, Brazil and South Africa hadn’t included many from the 65-plus cohort. On March 16, NACI changed its recommendation to all adults, 18 and older, including the 65-plus age group, based on real world studies, especially in Britain, which showed the vaccine to be effective for seniors, especially against severe COVID-19 and hospitalizations. Then on March 29, came its “pause” recommendation for those younger than 55. This seems to be the latest in a long line of concerns for the AstraZeneca vaccine, right?
Yup. Last November, there were reports that some volunteers in AstraZeneca’s phase three trials had accidentally been given only half of the recommended first dose. This complicated the analysis of the data, especially when it was revealed that the efficacy for those who received the mistaken dosing appeared to be much stronger than those who received two normal-strength doses. Researchers also questioned how AstraZeneca mixed results from several studies, which were conducted differently, into one overall efficacy result. Then there is AstraZeneca’s fight with the European Union. The EU was furious when, in late January, AstraZeneca suddenly announced it was cutting its delivery of doses to the EU by 60 per cent in the first quarter of the year, as it struggled with manufacturing and supply problems. And in the United States, where AstraZeneca went through separate phase three trials and is still not approved, there was even more controversy when, on March 22, the company announced an efficacy of 79 per cent. Late that same day, the National Institutes of Health issued a rare public rebuke, saying that AstraZeneca “may have included outdated information from that trial, which may have provided an incomplete view of the efficacy data.” On March 23, AstraZeneca tried again with a new press release claiming a 76 per cent efficacy. On March 25, AstraZeneca changed its vaccine’s name from “COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca” to Vaxzevria, according to the European Medicines Agency. Whether adopting a more formal name will help its image is uncertain. The rest of the column. Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 1, 2021 12:24:18 GMT -5
Snopes chimes in ... this assessment is two weeks old, but it's been updated since ... some countries have suspended the use of AZ, while others have resumed vaccinations ... confusing? Aye ... still, if you're not sure, consult a medial professional ... Does AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine Cause Blood Clots?
As of this writing, 37 cases of blood clots were reported out of the 17 million people who have received the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.
Dan Evon Published 16 March 2021
Insert a lot more info here ...
While it’s true that several countries temporarily suspended the use of this vaccine in order to investigate reports from people who developed blood clots, many of those countries have since resumed vaccinations after the EMA concluded that the AstraZeneca vaccine was “safe and effective.”Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 1, 2021 12:54:42 GMT -5
Thanks Dis, Uber...and to all who post the info here.
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 2, 2021 3:15:20 GMT -5
Oh boy...this has to be a nail in the AZ coffin... But after a lot of reading....and more dry reading....and ridiculously dry reading that is why over my head, I'm trying to decipher why. So please, whatever I write here is not because I have any training or background, it's simply using logic and available information to make sense of it....and for my audition for tv role as Dr Uber Cranky, sex symbol virologist in the next zombie apocalypse movie. BC is playing the evil villain and head zombie. Odd thing and cost saving, he didn't need zombie makeup. So here goes.... In order to prod the body immune system, we use a modified version of a different but harmless virus (the viral vector) containing the genetic code of the target virus to create an immune response. It's old and proven technology that you may already have gotten through your flu shot. AZ uses one and the same viral vector for the primary and booster shot. Sputnik uses two different viral vectors to create two different responses. That's why it's a two jab vaccine with a primary and booster shots JJ uses one. Since they only use one viral vector, they decided it's enough and won't bother with the booster shot. What I'm AMATEUR SPECULATING here is that the Germans decided that since there is only a limited upside to the AZ booster jabb/shot and with all the noise around AZ, might as well go with a different vaccine as the booster shot. Meaning Pfizer/Moderna. That's it. I may be absolutely wrong or bang on, I don't know and I can't emphasize enough that this is simply using common sense...to make sense of this. If I'm right, which i think i am, there is nothing imminintly bad to the German news and if anything, may be good news in that people with AZ and a different vaccine may have more immunity. Did I mention that this is amateur speculation? Read on.... Here is an add on article if you are as crazy as me and spend way too much time reading. www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-are-viral-vector-based-vaccines-and-how-could-they-be-used-against-covid-19blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/02/05/adenovirus-vector-vaccine-roundup-feb-5-sputnik-and-moreblogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/02/03/oxford-astrazeneca-data-againThis one includes cost....notice the dirt cheap price of AZ... www.biospace.com/article/comparing-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-biontech-moderna-astrazeneca-oxford-j-and-j-russia-s-sputnik-v/I need a beer....
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Post by jkr on Apr 2, 2021 7:14:12 GMT -5
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 3, 2021 14:46:04 GMT -5
We're gettimg the Pfizer jab tommorrow.
I'm wearing a Laffs sweater incase i whimper like a puppy before it's shot. Thankfully, they allow caregivers so if i faint, da wife will carry me out on her shoulders.....
BTW....3 phone calls to get the right place. Only about 45 minutes this morning and a shot the next day. Another thing....3 vaccines have three methods of distribution. Pharmacies and doctors get the AZ, clinics and centers the Moderna (normal household freezers) and hospitals get Pfizer because of the extreme cold freezer requirements. Lots of supply in all of them RIGHT NOW. Ontario age for Pfizer/Moderna is 60 as of April 2nd.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 3, 2021 15:14:51 GMT -5
We're gettimg the Pfizer jab tommorrow. I'm wearing a Laffs sweater incase i whimper like a puppy before it's shot. Thankfully, they allow caregivers so if i faint, da wife will carry me out on her shoulders..... BTW....3 phone calls to get the right place. Only about 45 minutes this morning and a shot the next day. Another thing....3 vaccines have three methods of distribution. Pharmacies and doctors get the AZ, clinics and centers the Moderna (normal household freezers) and hospitals get Pfizer because of the extreme cold freezer requirements. Lots of supply in all of them RIGHT NOW. Ontario age for Pfizer/Moderna is 60 as of April 2nd. I read its 55 plus for AZ, and u register online at shoppers drug mart, rexall and costco pharmacy... i already registered for all 3 and I'm 57...
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Post by UberCranky on Apr 3, 2021 15:23:58 GMT -5
I read its 55 plus for AZ, and u register online at shoppers drug mart, rexall and costco pharmacy... i already registered for all 3 and I'm 57... Are you nurse picking? Hmmm??? You know that if you get three shots...you turn into a Laffs fan. I know you did this to make sure you get in line......but for someone who may not get it, anything more then one shot may be an issue.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 3, 2021 15:52:13 GMT -5
I read its 55 plus for AZ, and u register online at shoppers drug mart, rexall and costco pharmacy... i already registered for all 3 and I'm 57... Are you nurse picking? Hmmm??? You know that if you get three shots...you turn into a Laffs fan. I know you did this to make sure you get in line......but for someone who may not get it, anything more then one shot may be an issue. Lol...I registered at the 3 places first come, first serve and I'll cancel the other 2
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