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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 20:01:12 GMT -5
Trading Jeff Hackett for a 2million dollar Andreas Dackell is nothing short of imbecile. I would have been happier with just the 3rd. Make no mistake folks, Sundstrom brings nothing this team needs, he's an overpaid softish defensive winger. A typical Savard trade, he just got yet another body which the coach won't know how to use since he doesn't need it.
But what's even more troubling is that 2 GMs obviously setup Savard and now we'll have to face Hack in a Bruins uniform and we did not even get the McLAren we NEEDED.
Sharks got what they needed Bruins got what they needed HABS gets Sharks problems and provided the catalyst that makes a division rival much better.
Savard looks like a fool
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:03:57 GMT -5
Sundstrom makes 1.3 million..
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 23, 2003 20:07:34 GMT -5
Sundstrom makes 1.3 million.. That's only $600,000.00 per goal so far this year!
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:08:19 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 20:08:37 GMT -5
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:10:38 GMT -5
hmmmm.....
Correct...someone made an error at another board on that 1.3 million figure.......
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 23, 2003 20:10:53 GMT -5
I don't know this guy from Gaston, Doc. Nice to see another angel on this trade.
I saw this guy's totals and I honestly thought we'd get more. 600 NHL games and 40 points in a checking role is noteworthy, but Hackett is going to be motivated and will make an immediate impact for sure. I can't see Sundstrom making as big an impact.TEXT
No "ands-ifs-or-buts", it sounds to me as if the Bruins have an impact player to our role player. Another role player at that. At least that's what's on the surface.
Cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:12:36 GMT -5
If only those Bruins had just stayed away.........
Sundstrom+3rd rounder for an injury prone UFA to be is OK...
But Boston now improves their G and defence(for the future)......
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 20:14:48 GMT -5
What bothers me is that we got nothing we needed. Nothing.
As I said, just the pick would have been better then the pick and Sundstrom.
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Post by Viper on Jan 23, 2003 20:18:36 GMT -5
We will be fine this is a good deal if you ask me
Sundstrum has many 40 plus point season's is a 3rd liner ( a place cerk doesn't belong ) 40 points from the third line is fine by me.
Yes Boston is much better but we've got our goaltending cleared up now and possibly have no more Audette if the reason he was waived was for Sundstrum to join the team. that's 2 good things. so they got jillson we have markov hainsey and Komi on the way.
we'll be just fine
we have a new coach who has a system and it could very well be that sundstrum is a guy CJ was interested in let's see how this all pans out after all Sundstrum could become a key cog in the future he's just 27 years old.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 20:21:58 GMT -5
So now what, we send Chow back to the AHL to join Audette and Lindsay so we can celebrate blowing close to 7mil US on stupid acquisitions by Savard. God I'm pissed. ...Gotta go get beer
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Post by Maritimer on Jan 23, 2003 20:22:57 GMT -5
They just said on sportsnet that SJ was picking up part of Sundstrom's contract! They said about 1 mil
So SJ traded
Sundstrom Jillson 3rd round pick 1 million
for Kyle McLaren & a 4th
Thats quite a bit for a D that hasn't played all year
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:23:27 GMT -5
I sense a fire Savard thread coming ;D seriously if Habs don't make playoffs..is he gone? WTF does he keep getting these soft euros?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:24:22 GMT -5
They just said on sportsnet that SJ was picking up part of Sundstrom's contract! They said about 1 mil wow! so basically we just shed 2.8 million not pro-rated.....
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 23, 2003 20:24:24 GMT -5
Overheard in Boston and San Jose:
"Is Rejean Houle still calling the shots in Montreal? Did Savard know about the San Jose Boston trade?"
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 23, 2003 20:28:51 GMT -5
So now what, we send Chow back to the AHL to join Audette and Lindsay so we can celebrate blowing close to 7mil US on stupid acquisitions by Savard. God I'm pissed. ...Gotta go get beer Did someone mention beer? Atta boy, Doc! Get it in ya'! The Bruins may/may not have Hack for only 3 or 4 months. However, they'd be foolish not to resign him, IMHO. I wish I could stop talking about the Bruins, but they're the winners. Cheers.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 20:30:29 GMT -5
For all you guys that did not like Rucinsky, wait 'till you feast your eyes on Sundstrom...
...He's a Rosie clone with less finish and a litlle less desire...
Trade Rosie for Audette Get stuck with Audette Trades Hackett for a Rosie clone
Gooooo Savard...
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Post by Viper on Jan 23, 2003 20:34:24 GMT -5
Did someone mention beer? Atta boy, Doc! Get it in ya'! The Bruins may/may not have Hack for only 3 or 4 months. However, they'd be foolish not to resign him, IMHO. I wish I could stop talking about the Bruins, but they're the winners. Cheers. well they we're dealing from the strongest position IMHO. We all pretty much knew beforehand that Mclaren would cost us more than Hackett and we didn't want to give anything of that value up for McClaren and his injury question marks. the bruins had the biggest bargaining chip and got the best deal that's just life you get the most you can for the assets you have available and in this instance i can't see us getting anything more than we got for Jeff. maybe the bruins improved more than we did but we got more than expected and san jose got what they needed as well. it's all good if you ask me.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 23, 2003 20:41:48 GMT -5
well they we're dealing from the strongest position IMHO. We all pretty much knew beforehand that Mclaren would cost us more than Hackett and we didn't want to give anything of that value up for McClaren and his injury question marks. the bruins had the biggest bargaining chip and got the best deal that's just life you get the most you can for the assets you have available and in this instance i can't see us getting anything more than we got for Jeff. maybe the bruins improved more than we did but we got more than expected and san jose got what they needed as well. it's all good if you ask me. I don't know if Hackett's value is as low as Sundstrom's Viper. I honestly think Hack was worth much more. Don't get me wrong, 40 points for a checker is pretty darn good. But, Hack would have made an impact on any team not just the Bruins. Sundstrom, on the other hand, adds depth to our checking lines. This is something we've been doing for years now. Will Sundstrom make heads turn with his play? I honestly don't know to tell you the truth buds. But, the two goals he's potted this year suggest no. Will Hack turn heads in Boston? Ohhhhhhhhh yeah .... and he may even turn heads in our future games against the Bruins. That's the way I see it anyway. Cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:43:19 GMT -5
Sunds better score about 10 goals down the stretch while taking our PK from 28th to 15th if not 10th overall Even then How could he let Boston improve that much *sigh*
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Post by Viper on Jan 23, 2003 20:47:44 GMT -5
I don't know if Hackett's value is as low as Sundstrom's Viper. I honestly think Hack was worth much more. Don't get me wrong, 40 points for a checker is pretty darn good. But, Hack would have made an impact on any team not just the Bruins. Sundstrom, on the other hand, adds depth to our checking lines. This is something we've been doing for years now. Will Sundstrom make heads turn with his play? I honestly don't know to tell you the truth buds. But, the two goals he's potted this year suggest no. Will Hack turn heads in Boston? Ohhhhhhhhh yeah .... and he may even turn heads in our future games against the Bruins. That's the way I see it anyway. Cheers. well this is true but the position AS was in with hackett really shrinks Hacks value In my opinion Hackett straight up without the financial and free agency and injury restrictions just talent for talent well we got robbed but unfortunately in todays NHL (damn i hate this part ) talent for talent just doesn't happen anymore.
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Post by Yossarian on Jan 23, 2003 20:49:24 GMT -5
I think all the trade rumors (most made up) about Hackett really created false expectations as to what the Habs could realistically expect to receive for him. An UFA, who was coming into the season coming off a serious injury? If he had any value it was at the beginning of the season, but the injury question negated that. The closer it came to the trade deadline, the less one could expect. I would have been content to receive a 2nd or 3rd rounder alone. Sundstrom is an upgrade from Dackell, Czerk, Audette. Him replacing any one of the three improves the team. The fact that there is all kinds of idle salary around is not my problem. Its GG's since he is signing the cheques. If GG has a problem with it then he can take it up with AS. All I care is an upgrade in the team, and more success for the team, and Sundstrom is an upgrade from the aforementioned. AS got about as much as he could for Hackett, IMO.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 20:49:56 GMT -5
I don't know if Hackett's value is as low as Sundstrom's Viper. I honestly think Hack was worth much more. Don't get me wrong, 40 points for a checker is pretty darn good. But, Hack would have made an impact on any team not just the Bruins. Sundstrom, on the other hand, adds depth to our checking lines. This is something we've been doing for years now. Will Sundstrom make heads turn with his play? I honestly don't know to tell you the truth buds. But, the two goals he's potted this year suggest no. Will Hack turn heads in Boston? Ohhhhhhhhh yeah .... and he may even turn heads in our future games against the Bruins. That's the way I see it anyway. Cheers. Well, I can't wait to see how people will feel when they start seeing Hackett carying the Bs and us with a poormen's version of Rucinsky...
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 23, 2003 20:51:24 GMT -5
the only problem with this trade that i see is the fact that we now have 16 forwards either playing in the nhl or making an nhl salary in the minors. that is just WAY too many, if a couple (dackell, ribeiro, kilger, someone of that sort) aren't unloaded very soon for a d man or a pick or two then i'll be pretty upset. there's no way that you can play a patrick sundstrom in the sam line up as his older, less productive, slower clone andreas dackell.
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Post by habwest on Jan 23, 2003 20:55:22 GMT -5
Imbecile- Gee Doc, glad to see that you're keeping the tone up. Aren't we getting carried away a weeee bit? In one post you say that AS must know something then in another he's an imbecile.
What ever happened to giving Sundstrum a fair chance? Maybe CJ will be able to do something with the guy. Besides we did get that pick. As to Boston getting stronger, maybe, maybe not for the long term. Who knows if Hack will stay or what Jillson will amount to.
Like somebody said, this board just loves to have its whipping boys. Now that Audette's gone some have already started up on another player before he even hits town.
As for AS looking like a fool, well any GM can't be worried about that when he makes a move. If he did he probably wouldn't do anything for fear of somebody saying that. And we all know how everybody here has been just screaming for him to do something. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Glad I'm not a GM.
Sheesh, relax. Let's see what happens.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 23, 2003 21:05:02 GMT -5
So now what, we send Chow back to the AHL to join Audette and Lindsay so we can celebrate blowing close to 7mil US on stupid acquisitions by Savard. God I'm pissed. ...Gotta go get beer Well Doc, it's a good thing that I read this news after I got back from Wing Night at the local pub with 3 pitchers of beer into me. I agree with you, we got another 3rd liner that we didn't need. We needed a tough left D and now we have nothing left to bargain with. Hackett was wasted. What a shame!
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 21:07:22 GMT -5
West, there are no basis for that deal. No reason for it, no logic, nothing. It's like Asham and pick for Chow. It might mke sense on paper, but in reality we don't need what we're getting so there is no gain, only a chance to lose.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 21:08:58 GMT -5
Well Doc, it's a good thing that I read this news after I got back from Wing Night at the local pub with 3 pitchers of beer into me. I agree with you, we got another 3rd liner that we didn't need. We needed a tough left D and now we have nothing left to bargain with. Hackett was wasted. What a shame! Well men, we're obviously on our own thinking this.
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Post by habernac on Jan 23, 2003 21:16:04 GMT -5
Agreed, Doc. The more I think about it, the more I dislike it. Boston just got alot better. Non-Habs fans have been devaluing Hack for years, but we know what he can do, especially whne he gets to play on a regular basis. We got another grunt. A high draft pick who hasn't panned out. I knew Hack's trade value was low, but AS should have at least got some kind of guarantee Hack wouldn't go to Boston. Or more compensation if he did go to a divisional rival.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 23, 2003 21:37:25 GMT -5
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Harry Sinden
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