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Post by mikeg on Dec 3, 2003 13:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Dec 3, 2003 15:59:14 GMT -5
What does MM do that gives him access to the info? I have difficult time with unsubstantiated rumours, let alone rumours involving mystery players. It sounds more like a guy who gets his jollies off of stirring the trade wind pot. I still believe that the sitting of Ribs has nothing to do with an impending trade. I've been wrong before, but I tend to believe BG when he states that he's not looking to make a deal.
If one happens it would have to be a can't miss opportunity. That doesn't mean blockbuster. Just, if there is a chance to move Audette, or some other dead weight (aka someone is interested in taking him), then do it fast. However, a team that is in official rebuild mode, shouldn't start mortgaging the future for quick success.
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Post by Psycorp on Dec 3, 2003 16:03:21 GMT -5
Hmmm...
Gainey talked about dealing from a deep position so that would be defense
Q, Rivet and Breezer have been mentionned a lot and i hope komisarek is untouchable.
so that would be on the left side...
Bouillon <-- no trade value Hainsey <--he's been mentionned in some rumors so scratch him
Souray or markov: i think Markov have the most trade value right now, he could be the only one able to bring us the top-two line forward we need.
i'm not too high about trading him tough, he got too much upside.
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Post by Andrew on Dec 3, 2003 16:44:37 GMT -5
Wow, that's the "Emperor's New Clothes" of rumors.
Way to go out on a limb with that hot rumor MM. I guess we shouldn't get too excited though, cause "it might not happen".
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Post by Montrealer on Dec 3, 2003 17:58:58 GMT -5
I think it's going to be Koivu + Ribeiro + Hainsey
for
Boardwalk + Park Place + The Water Works
whoooooohooooooooo!
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Post by PTH on Dec 3, 2003 19:55:04 GMT -5
If someone goes, I vote Bulis - he's never mentionned, has some nice value, and isn't a core part, either.
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Post by blaise on Dec 3, 2003 20:33:36 GMT -5
I think it's going to be Koivu + Ribeiro + Hainsey for Boardwalk + Park Place + The Water Works whoooooohooooooooo! Do Boardwalk and Park Place come with hotels?
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Post by mikeg on Dec 4, 2003 7:27:00 GMT -5
Wow, that's the "Emperor's New Clothes" of rumors. Way to go out on a limb with that hot rumor MM. I guess we shouldn't get too excited though, cause "it might not happen". lord.. go to fanhome and read the archives.. say whatever you want.. the guy has always been quite accurate when it comes to this stuff.
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Post by blny on Dec 4, 2003 7:30:19 GMT -5
lord.. go to fanhome and read the archives.. say whatever you want.. the guy has always been quite accurate when it comes to this stuff. In this case it's easy to be accurate when one says something might happen and doesn't put a name to the story. We're just skeptical.
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Post by mikeg on Dec 4, 2003 8:53:28 GMT -5
In this case it's easy to be accurate when one says something might happen and doesn't put a name to the story. We're just skeptical. of course.. it's always like that.. but he has proven to be reliable.. which is something 99.9% of the rumor mongers on all internet boards have proven NOT to be. and here's a great post of some guy backing MM up.. www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?postid=536732#post536732
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Post by Cranky on Dec 4, 2003 9:19:18 GMT -5
I guess most of you guys know the connection between MM and myself.
All I will say on the matter is that one of the intents is to spark conversation.
But...
Do NOT ask for details. Revealing them will cause more harm then good.
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Post by mikeg on Dec 4, 2003 9:55:23 GMT -5
I guess most of you guys know the connection between MM and myself. All I will say on the matter is that one of the intents is to spark conversation. But... Do NOT ask for details. Revealing them will cause more harm then good. are you saying MM intends to spark debate on the matter.. and if so.. can you confirm that he is being legit.. no names needed to be given, but simply a yes he is correct taht something might happen in the next little bit or a no he is just messing with people at the moment.. mike
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Post by Montrealer on Dec 4, 2003 10:09:21 GMT -5
are you saying MM intends to spark debate on the matter.. and if so.. can you confirm that he is being legit.. no names needed to be given, but simply a yes he is correct taht something might happen in the next little bit or a no he is just messing with people at the moment.. mike Honestly, I'm sure it's accurate. There will probably be a deal. He can't tell us who's involved because if he does he betrays a confidence/gets fired. However, since we have no clue who it could be, and it's involving players we would never guess, it becomes a rather pointless exercise to try to figure it out. At the same time, it's nice for the heads up that there *might* be a trade.
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Post by mikeg on Dec 4, 2003 10:14:02 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm sure it's accurate. There will probably be a deal. He can't tell us who's involved because if he does he betrays a confidence/gets fired. However, since we have no clue who it could be, and it's involving players we would never guess, it becomes a rather pointless exercise to try to figure it out. At the same time, it's nice for the heads up that there *might* be a trade. I was thinking about this last night.. and the one player that really hasn't been mentioned is markov. he is the one guy we could probably package with a pick/prospect to get a legit 2nd/1st liner with a bit of size. we have the depth on d to replace him, and well.. i'd hate to see him go.. but if it means young power forward.. then i won't worry so much mike
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Post by Cranky on Dec 4, 2003 10:18:38 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, there is no intent to "mess" with peoples head. Please remember one thing, there are trade proposals every day and even the ones that are "close" also fall apart for some reason or another.
The point of hockey boards is to spark discussion. These "rumours" spark discussion and people have fun speculating.
I am not a MM apologist or a mouth piece. All I am trying to do is reduce some of the angst these "rumours" create.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 4, 2003 10:19:27 GMT -5
I was thinking about this last night.. and the one player that really hasn't been mentioned is markov. he is the one guy we could probably package with a pick/prospect to get a legit 2nd/1st liner with a bit of size. we have the depth on d to replace him, and well.. i'd hate to see him go.. but if it means young power forward.. then i won't worry so much mike There you go.....have fun thinking and speculating about your favorite team.
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Post by Psycorp on Dec 4, 2003 13:08:11 GMT -5
I was thinking about this last night.. and the one player that really hasn't been mentioned is markov. he is the one guy we could probably package with a pick/prospect to get a legit 2nd/1st liner with a bit of size. we have the depth on d to replace him, and well.. i'd hate to see him go.. but if it means young power forward.. then i won't worry so much mike Indeed, i got to the same conclusion however i really wouldn't like to part with him. Obviously he got some trouble adapting to Julien's system but is slowly coming along He look a lot like Zubov who always was a point producing machine but transformed into a complete defenseman playing in Dallas system. It would be a huge risk trading him...
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Post by mikeg on Dec 4, 2003 14:24:44 GMT -5
Indeed, i got to the same conclusion however i really wouldn't like to part with him. Obviously he got some trouble adapting to Julien's system but is slowly coming along He look a lot like Zubov who always was a point producing machine but transformed into a complete defenseman playing in Dallas system. It would be a huge risk trading him... yeah i know.. but with a guy like hainsey in the system it doesn't worry me so much.. and if it means a player like a shane doan/taylor pyatt comes our way then i like the risk.. mike
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Post by Psycorp on Dec 4, 2003 15:03:24 GMT -5
yeah i know.. but with a guy like hainsey in the system it doesn't worry me so much.. and if it means a player like a shane doan/taylor pyatt comes our way then i like the risk.. mike Sadly, we don't have many players with good trade value on this team, he's one of the few who could bring us what we want, a top two line forward with size. a guy with a good trade value i'd like to trade is Zednik, i think he hit his ceiling and he lack creativity. and he only play well with koivu. The problem is, we are sorely lacking in what he bring: at least a little size up front and scoring ability. Best regards
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Post by TheCaper on Dec 5, 2003 0:17:15 GMT -5
HA is MM.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 5, 2003 1:30:22 GMT -5
If MM stands for MegaloManiacal.
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Post by MTLMan on Dec 5, 2003 9:47:08 GMT -5
What you all should realize is that MM never posted anything that didn't turn out to happen, regardless of how vague he is. He's not a poster that predicts trade after trade, and when one of 10 turn out to be true claims that he has inside info. His success rate is 100%.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 5, 2003 11:50:49 GMT -5
What you all should realize is that MM never posted anything that didn't turn out to happen, regardless of how vague he is. He's not a poster that predicts trade after trade, and when one of 10 turn out to be true claims that he has inside info. His success rate is 100%. I would agree that his Gainey and Therrien predictions were dead on. In this case though, unless MM can subtantiate just a little, saying something might or might not happen with some team for some guy is, as HA hints, more of a dicussion generator than anything.
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Post by Goldthorpe on Dec 5, 2003 12:13:36 GMT -5
The problem with MM is that his goals (I'm assuming he's a guy) are mutually exclusives.
His first goal is that he wants to share some of his knowledge to the community, because he feels it is the "good" thing to do and/or because he likes consciously or not the feeling of power his status give him. I don't know which reason is more important in his case, and frankly it's not terribly import from our point of view.
His second goal is to keep his job.
So that's why he is so secretive, but also so verbose (look at all the other posts he wrote in the same threats! For I guy who wants to keep a low profile, it sure looks strange). Of course it sucks for us, and it doesn't make much sense from our point of view. But MM motivations doesn't make much sense at all: his two goals are paradoxal, and that's not very normal from a psychological standpoint (I think that's what they call "cognitive dissonance". Gonna ask the s.o about it)
So, is MM legit? probably.
Does it sucks that he can't/won't tell us more? Sure.
Does it make sense for him to post like that on a public forum? Not really.
But that's his problem, not ours. You can be sure I'm gonna keep my eyes on any news in the next weeks that could confirm his claims, and I'll not be the only one doing it. And working in a security field, I couldn't care less if he get caught doing his little game. He's taking a huge risk in doing what he's doing, and he's giving WAY more information about who he might be than he believes.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 5, 2003 13:49:51 GMT -5
MM could also be an "organized measure".
Fan are disgruntled, feel nothing is going on, organization must know this. Obvisouly the organization can let out official report saying .."..hey we're in the process of firing the coach.." or "...hey we're secretely negociating with Bob Gainey to become our GM..." or "...hey, Gainey is in negociation to trade Richard Zednik and a few others to Tampa Bay in an effort to land Lecavalier...". So they get this "person" to give the fans a few heads up when the morale is low.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 5, 2003 14:12:51 GMT -5
Could someone tell me the moves MM anticipated with such accuracy?
I seem to recall something about predicting that Therrien would be fired and Gainey would be hired as GM. Not huge shockers there. Gainey has always been coveted by the Habs and it's not like he was pried away from Dallas to come to MTL - he was basically retired.
Bottom line: the people who REALLY know what's going on don't talk. Or they deliberately signal their intentions to the media in a controlled fashion. A fan board does not count as a media outlet.
MM is probably the brother or buddy of someone who works for an NHL team and hears a lot of stuff through the league grapevine. "The Habs really like so and so" or "the Rangers might be interested in trading XYZ". It's just talk.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 5, 2003 15:47:56 GMT -5
The problem with MolsonMan rumor is that we always end up talking more about Molson Man than the rumor...
Lecavalier for Zednik/Ribeiro/Hainsey
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 5, 2003 15:51:21 GMT -5
Lecavalier for Zednik/Ribeiro/Hainsey If that's the rumour, then I hope he's right.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 5, 2003 16:31:31 GMT -5
If that's the rumour, then I hope he's right. Na, that's just something I made up. I love Lecavalier and I think he'd do wonders for this franchise. On the ice and off it. Feaster said he will never trade him and I believe he's no just saying that... He's as untouchable as Thornton in Boston, Nash in Columbus or Kovalchuck in Atlanta.... Unfortunately.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Dec 5, 2003 16:38:51 GMT -5
Théodore.
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