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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jun 30, 2004 8:37:02 GMT -5
 about the flagO Canada! Terre de nos aïeux,
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux!
Car ton bras sait porter l'épée,
Il sait porter la croix!
Ton histoire est une épopée<br>Des plus brillants exploits.
Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.
Sous l'oeil de Dieu, près du fleuve géant,
Le Canadien grandit en espérant.
Il est né d'une race fière,
Béni fut son berceau.
Le ciel a marqué sa carrière
Dans ce monde nouveau.
Toujours guidé par sa lumière,
Il gardera l'honneur de son drapeau,
Il gardera l'honneur de son drapeau.
De son patron, précurseur du vrai Dieu,
Il porte au front l'auréole de feu.
Ennemi de la tyrannie
Mais plein de loyauté,<br>Il veut garder dans l'harmonie,
Sa fière liberté;<br>Et par l'effort de son génie,
Sur notre sol asseoir la vérité,<br>Sur notre sol asseoir la vérité.<br>
Amour sacré du trône et de l'autel,
Remplis nos coeurs de ton souffle immortel!
Parmi les races étrangères,
Notre guide est la loi:
Sachons être un peuple de frères,
Sous le joug de la foi.
Et répétons, comme nos pères,
Le cri vainqueur: “Pour le Christ et le roi,”<br>Le cri vainqueur: “Pour le Christ et le roi.”<br>
*****
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot-love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free;
And stand on guard, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
O Canada! Glorious and free!
We stand on guard, we stand
on guard for thee,
O Canada!
We stand on guard for thee.
O Canada!
Where pines and maples grow,
Great prairies spread and lordly rivers flow,
How dear to us thy broad domain,
From East to Western sea!
Thou land of hope for all who toil!
Thou True North strong and free!
O Canada!
Glorious and free! [etc.]
O Canada!
Beneath thy shining skies
May stalwart sons and gentle maidens rise
To keep thee steadfast thro' the years
From East to Western sea,
Our own beloved native land,
Our True North strong and free!
O Canada!
Glorious and free! [etc.]
Ruler supreme, Who hearest humble pray'r,
Hold our Dominion in Thy loving care.
Help us to find, O God, in Thee
A lasting rich reward,
As waiting for the better day,
We ever stand on guard.
O Canada!
Glorious and free! [etc.]about the anthem |
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Post by patate on Jun 30, 2004 9:01:32 GMT -5
Good job Mr. B. I would really like if the first part of the anthem was always sing in french where ever it is played. You can't translate a national song IMO. Try to sing the French national anthem (Hymne des Marseillais) in spanish or russian, it's just won't work. Every city should respect the fact that it's a french canadian who wrote the song and hire a singer who can sing in french and english. But i guess this is unrealistic.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 30, 2004 12:28:53 GMT -5
The two biggest holidays in Los Angeles are May 5th, "Cinco de Mayo" where we watch patriotic fireworks and listen to Tchaikovski's 1812 overture. I recently found out that stirring music was written to celebrate Russia's victory over Napoleon.
The second holiday is July 4th, Independence day where we watch patriotic fireworks and sing the national anthem in English or whatever language we want. Some hispanics sing in Spanish, some Germans in German, nobody cares.
At one time we fought against the Japanese, now we are friends.
At one time we were allied with the Chinese, now we are cautious.
We alternately sided with the Iraqi's and Iranians.
Germany? England? France? Vietnam?
Things change and times change.
We all just need to get along and put on teflon raincoats from time to time.
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Post by franko on Jun 30, 2004 12:58:01 GMT -5
We all just need to get along and put on teflon raincoats from time to time. Dear Mr.'s Klein and Duceppe . . . |
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Post by LoupDogg on Jun 30, 2004 13:29:27 GMT -5
But, as stated by Patate, Canada sings it in English. So much for perfection and respect for the french part. A perfect illustration of this country's imperfection, if you ask me. |
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Post by clan on Jul 1, 2004 7:59:32 GMT -5
But, as stated by Patate, Canada sings it in English. As it should be in a democracy,the majority rules. Enghlish IS the majority in this country in case anybody forgot. |
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Post by patate on Jul 1, 2004 8:09:54 GMT -5
But, as stated by Patate, Canada sings it in English. As it should be in a democracy,the majority rules. Enghlish IS the majority in this country in case anybody forgot. So according to you the song will be sing in chinese in Vancouver sooner then later? I think that the national anthem should include the two languages to show the world that Canada is a bilingual nation, that's all. |
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Post by insomnius on Jul 1, 2004 8:32:01 GMT -5
I think that the national anthem should include the two languages to show the world that Canada is a bilingual nation, that's all. Until we are all educated in French and English (as I was here in Montreal) Canada will remaina bi-cultural nation, and not a bilingual one. When Albertan kids learn Math in French and Englsih then I will grant that Canada is a bilingual nation. That is of course my dream for this country so I feel very strongly about the sunject (I'm a big fan of P.E.T) And thanks for the link Mr. B...quite the eye opener... |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 1, 2004 9:25:31 GMT -5
If only I could sing the Anthem for you guys.... you would be in for a treat!
BTW, have you paid up on your Life Insurance?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 1, 2004 12:09:18 GMT -5
What I personally find most interesting is that the song says different things in the two languages. It is not a translation!
It's like singing in English "God bless the Queen" and in French "Down with Royalty" side by side. Most citizens don't understand the words in the other language.
Put on a teflon raincoat and let it slide off your back. It's not that big a deal!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 1, 2004 16:52:39 GMT -5
about the flagThanks, Mr. B. Here's an extract from today's Letters to the Editor in the Ottawa Sun. It's the third letter down. canoe.com/NewsStand/OttawaSun/Letters/For me, Canada Day has always been a day for celebrating our national identity and heritage. Whether in a small town, or a major city, there are always special events to celebrate being Canadian from coast to coast. However, it's also especially important that we remember that much of what we celebrate is largely due to the past and present sacrifices made by the men and women of our armed forces. Indeed, in some parts of our country July 1st holds an entirely different meaning.
This is never truer than in the province of Newfoundland. Recognized as Memorial Day in that province, the people of Newfoundland remember the sacrifices made by their soldiers July 1, 1916, at Beaumont Hamel, France. An action in support of the Battle of the Somme, 801 Newfoundlanders went over the top that day, yet only 68 answered the role call the following morning. The entire attack was over in 22 minutes. Understandably, to many Newfoundlanders this is a day of reflection and reverence.
Today, there will be thousands of Canadian soldiers, sailors and airmen, serving abroad and who continue to be this country's finest ambassadors. Though not going over the top at Beaumont Hamel, these men and women are fighting terrorism in Afghanistan or keeping the peace in the Golan Heights, just to name a few. They, too, will no doubt be celebrating Canada Day. But, nevertheless, they are still sacrificing their own personal wants and needs so as to allow us to enjoy the privileges many of us so often take for granted.
While Newfoundland may have been a colony of the British Empire in 1916, its heritage became part of our national identity when they became a province of Canada in 1949. And though it's important that we celebrate being Canadian, it's also equally important to set aside a few minutes to reflect, appreciate and respect the sacrifices of so many, past and present, that have made this day of celebration possible for all of us.
Thanks troops, and happy Canada Day!
Rick Landry
Kingston (Right) |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 1, 2004 19:00:18 GMT -5
about the flagThis is never truer than in the province of Newfoundland. Recognized as Memorial Day in that province, the people of Newfoundland remember the sacrifices made by their soldiers July 1, 1916, at Beaumont Hamel, France. An action in support of the Battle of the Somme, 801 Newfoundlanders went over the top that day, yet only 68 answered the role call the following morning. The entire attack was over in 22 minutes. Understandably, to many Newfoundlanders this is a day of reflection and reverence. Percentage speaking, the battle of Beaumont Hamel was the worst tradgedy any one nation has ever faced. Every family in Newfoundland was effect by this tradgedy. In 1916 the population of Newfoundland was about 250,000. That meant that 0.2% of the population was wiped out in that battle. That might not seem like a lot but 9/11 only caused the New York City (est population 10 Million) to lose 0.05% of their population. The battle of Beaumont hamel had a devastating effect on this province in terms of the ecomony, future population growth, and on our overall society. It is always attributed as one of the factors to why were are not so well off compared to the rest of the country. We gave our society for the world, for king and country, and they turn a blind eye on us. Even to this day, the navy is 20% Newfoundlanders. We only have a population of 538,000 and yet the navy is 20% Newfoundlander. Today the kids celebrate Canada Day and go to the festivities, my generation and older go to the memorial services to honour all those men who gave their lives, and risked our way of life so the rest of Canada can thrive. As for the national athem. I have been to 120 AHL games. Only once has the national anthem been sung entirely in English. Once. 119 times it was sung in french and English. We are probably the only AHL franchise that do it. Coincidentally, this year we are celebrating 500 years of french culture, and french settlements, in the province of Newfoundland. So when you speak of the rest of Canada's attitude toward french, francophone, or whatever ..... please leave the fighting Newfoundlanders out of the equation. |
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Post by HabbaDasher on Jul 1, 2004 22:16:48 GMT -5
I'm drunk and happy.
Je vous embrasse, mes amis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Montrealer on Jul 2, 2004 12:45:55 GMT -5
But, as stated by Patate, Canada sings it in English. So much for perfection and respect for the french part. A perfect illustration of this country's imperfection, if you ask me. The problem is the idiots, that's for sure. The problem is not recognizing that there are the same sorts of people on both sides of the fence. I'm fed up of the intolerants everywhere, whether they live in Calgary or Chicoutimi. By the by, I had a nice Canada Day, and I hope everyone did too. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 2, 2004 23:39:45 GMT -5
I'm with you Dan. Lots of nice people all over Canada too.
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Post by franko on Jul 3, 2004 9:26:41 GMT -5
But, as stated by Patate, Canada sings it in English. So much for perfection and respect for the french part. A perfect illustration of this country's imperfection, if you ask me. US: if you're Hispanic, learn to speak American. Canada: Welcome to our country -- we accept you and your language/culture. Mostly. [deleted rant] It isn't the language that makes this country great, it's the people. |
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Post by PTH on Jul 3, 2004 23:11:28 GMT -5
Bah humbug.
Vive le Québec Libre.
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Post by franko on Jul 3, 2004 23:30:57 GMT -5
You're making me wish I hadn't deleted my rant  I really don't know where I fit in with all of this discussion. I would be 4th generation Quebecios if my father hadn't been transfered west when I was young (maybe I am 4th generation even if I don't live there). I've lived with a Franco-name in an anti-Franco Alberta and I've lived in a pro-bilingual city as a unilinguist. There are close-minded jerks on both sides: go to Alberta with a Vive le Québec Libre bumpersticker on your car (or even Quebec license plates) and you're likely to have Go Home Frog spray-painted on your car; drive in some parts of Quebec with an Alberta license plate and you can be pulled over by the Sûreté du Québec just because. The country isn't perfect, but I'd rather be here than anywhere else. And one more thing: My Canada does Include Quebec! And for Skilly et al: My Canada also Includes Newfoundland! |
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Post by PTH on Jul 3, 2004 23:40:09 GMT -5
And for Skilly et al: My Canada also Includes Newfoundland! Hey, I'm all for having the newfies in Canada. Since the rules to go in and to go out should be the same, and given that Newfoundland voted at about 51 or 52% to join Canada, well, that flushes the 66% that some people at the Federal level have been throwing around... |
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Post by franko on Jul 4, 2004 15:23:26 GMT -5
Since the rules to go in and to go out should be the same, and given that Newfoundland voted at about 51 or 52% to join Canada, well, that flushes the 66% that some people at the Federal level have been throwing around... Everyone knows that it is a lot easier to get into Canada than it is to get out -- just ask those who are claiming refugee status to come in! To come into Canada, show up at an airport and say refugee. If your status is (much later) disallowed, no problem -- you stay and stay and stay . . . and eventually are given citizenship, as once here the Charter of Rights applies to you even if you are not a citizen! Sorry, you're stuck with us. 50% plus 1 to get in; 67% plus a bunch to get out. Tongue-in-cheek? Yes and no. |
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Post by PTH on Jul 4, 2004 15:50:32 GMT -5
Sorry, you're stuck with us. 50% plus 1 to get in; 67% plus a bunch to get out. Tongue-in-cheek? Yes and no. Well, if 67% is needed for a result to be binding, all we need to do then is flip the question - instead of "do you want Quebec to be a sovereign country" it becomes "do you want Quebec to stay a province of Canada as dictated by the unilaterally imposed constitution of 1982". I'm pretty sure that last one wouldn't get a 67% positive answer rate... |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 4, 2004 16:50:26 GMT -5
And for Skilly et al: My Canada also Includes Newfoundland! I welling up inside.  |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 4, 2004 17:03:14 GMT -5
Well, if 67% is needed for a result to be binding, all we need to do then is flip the question - instead of "do you want Quebec to be a sovereign country" it becomes "do you want Quebec to stay a province of Canada as dictated by the unilaterally imposed constitution of 1982". I'm pretty sure that last one wouldn't get a 67% positive answer rate... I love Quebec, if they want to go I will miss them. But I have one question? The deal with Hydro Quebec and with CFLCo is between the province of Quebec and the province of Newfoundland. I wonder if this would make the contract null and void if they become the country of Quebec? That's another example of the country taking advantage of the good ol Newfies ...... we have lost billions of dollars on that deal. If Quebec seperates, it is just as well that the rest of the Atlantic provinces seperate as well. Maybe NS, NB, PEI and NL can form their own country. Take our oil and hydro with us too. Cause we are just as sick of the federal government out east as Quebec is. Oh to go back in history. That 1949 referendum still haunts us. We had four choices: 1) Join Canada 2) Govern Ourselves 3) Commission Government (essentially be governed by England but that was quickly taken off the ballot) 4) Join USA On the first ballot the lowest was dropped, and that was choice 4. So it was another ballot of governing ourselves vs joining Canada ...... well if were knew back then what we know now about natural resources, the Atlantic accord, ownership of Hibernia, and equalization you wouldn't have found a vote for joining Canada. We only joined because of what was promised to us, (management of the fishery and they screwed that up too) and they to this day look down at us as a poor, EI loving, bunch of third worlders. If they didn't break all their promises to us we'd be one, if not the richest, province in Canada. I digress. I love Canada. I hate Ottawa!! |
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Post by franko on Jul 4, 2004 19:10:45 GMT -5
I love Quebec, if they want to go I will miss them. But I have one question? And many comments The one thing the Reform Party said that made sense to me was that we are a group of loosely affiliated provinces -- a federation. However, the Federal Government has managed and mismanaged this federation into the ground. Instead of realizing and accepting differences they impose sameness: French is mandated in parts of Canada that have little to do with the language/culture (and the history of the French people and of Quebec so that Westerners [in particular] get an understanding is not taught); English is mandated in a Franco province, and culture is ignored. Neither side is happy. I digress. I love Canada. I hate Ottawa!! Ottawa is great -- it's the politicians that get in the way. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 4, 2004 20:49:18 GMT -5
And for Skilly et al: My Canada also Includes Newfoundland! As my "Nefeneese" buddies at work would say ... " Best thing Newfoundland ever did was lettin' Canada join 'em in '49." Or was it, "... me country includes Canada ..." Goes over better after a few pints anyway. Good bunch of lads at work  Cheers. |
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Post by PTH on Jul 5, 2004 0:16:56 GMT -5
However, the Federal Government has managed and mismanaged this federation into the ground. The key problem is that the federal government has the most money (and has right to any form of taxation not thought of in 1867), yet most of the job that concerns citizens is done at the provincial level. Unless we have a more standoffish fed. government things will stay a mess - and it's tough to get elected by being standoffish. |
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Post by Montrealer on Jul 5, 2004 1:25:07 GMT -5
Well, if 67% is needed for a result to be binding, all we need to do then is flip the question - instead of "do you want Quebec to be a sovereign country" it becomes "do you want Quebec to stay a province of Canada as dictated by the unilaterally imposed constitution of 1982". I'm pretty sure that last one wouldn't get a 67% positive answer rate... I think the question should be "Do you agree that Quebec, an original actor responsible for the creation of the Canadian state in 1867, should now unilaterally revoke it's status as a Canadian province and become an independent country?" That's it. None of this association garbage, none of this negotiations garbage. You ask the people a clear question. I mean, geez, it's a question regarding whether you want to tear apart a country, not which movie you want to go see! I'm fed up of the soverignist argument that Quebec was railroaded into confederation. Anyone that knows anything about history knows that Quebec was one of the most active and pro-confederation provinces; if you want to talk about railroaded, talk to Nova Scotians. |
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Post by Montrealer on Jul 5, 2004 1:28:25 GMT -5
The key problem is that the federal government has the most money (and has right to any form of taxation not thought of in 1867), yet most of the job that concerns citizens is done at the provincial level. Unless we have a more standoffish fed. government things will stay a mess - and it's tough to get elected by being standoffish. Canada is one of the most decentralized states on the planet. Other than Belgium, you'll have a hard time finding a state that has devolved more powers to localized provinces or states. But of course, that wouldn't fit the agitprop that's shovelled down everyone's throats here. |
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Post by Montrealer on Jul 5, 2004 1:35:39 GMT -5
One thing that bugs me about Canadian history is the story of how Manitoba went from being an officially bilingual province to an English-only province.
Horrible English nationalists at work? I guess.
Quebecois coming to the rescue? Hardly.
Henri Bourassa was much more interested in protecting provincial powers than allowing the federal government to intervene when the idiot provincial government in Manitoba decided to abolish French schooling in the first years of the twentieth century. Instead of standing by their confreres, the Quebec provincial government actually supported Manitoba's assertion of provincial rights in hammering the French populace into accepting English schooling, and the revoking of Manitoba's official bilingual fact. Wilfrid Laurier (the first Quebecois Prime Minister) gave up the fight once Quebec gave up on Manitoba's French community.
But, you know, you'll never read about that in the history books in Quebec.
Like I said, there are bastards everywhere.
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Post by franko on Jul 5, 2004 6:52:54 GMT -5
The deal with Hydro Quebec and with CFLCo is between the province of Quebec and the province of Newfoundland. I wonder if this would make the contract null and void if they become the country of Quebec? That's another example of the country taking advantage of the good ol Newfies ...... we have lost billions of dollars on that deal. Scenario: NHL Draft day 2004. Gary Bettman announces that the Washington Capitals have traded their first pick to the Montreal Canadiens for Pierre Dagenais and Yanic Perreault. Question: Is it Montreal’s fault that the Capitals accepted the deal, poor as it is for Washington? It seems to me that Smallwood accepted the deal on behalf of the Newfoundland people and so Quebecers shouldn’t be blamed for it. An aside, how much of The Colony of Unrequited Dreams is pure fiction, how much is half fiction, and how much is based on fact (in regards to Papa Joey)? |
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