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Post by franko on Aug 7, 2004 21:44:41 GMT -5
Many the philosopher would disagree with that statement. It is actually the belivers of "God" that are being cautious. If they are right they go to heaven, if they are wrong then no harm no foul. If non-believers are right, then it is no harm no foul (they get to laugh at the believers for living their lives based on false assumptions), but if they are wrong they end up down below with the horned head, pointy tailed fellow. This is not cautious by no means. Blaise's (oops, Pascal's axiom: If God does not exist, one will lose nothing by believing in him, while if he does exist, one will lose everything by not believing. But the Bible being ambiguous as it is leaves a fail safe. The Lord forgives as sins if one gives their life to him ...... it does not define life (much like abortion) so one only has to give their life to the Lord on their death bed and take the "cautious" route into heaven. Many the Christian dislikes this thought: (sound of whining:) I've lived all of my life as a saint and this sinner gets to slide into heaven? I don't think so!. We are back to playing God (I remember the old Jethro Tull Aqualung liner notes: "and man made God in his own image". Too many people want to deccide for God just in case He makes a mistake. Also, the debate I have heard the most on this issue is "the what-if arguement". What if the unborn fetus/baby is the person who is suppose to cure AIDS / bring world peace / cure Cancer / etc? On the other side of the question, what if the person to be born is another Hitler (whose mother was reputed to have contemplated an abortion)?
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Post by Toronthab on Aug 7, 2004 22:39:36 GMT -5
Again, thanks for the reference. Just finished it last night, a hell of a book. I too have to offer thanks for the reference. Following upon postings here, I bought the book recently and have started it (along with the twenty or so other books I'm reading). It looks really good and I'm sure there's a ton I can learn from it. A great suggestion.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 8, 2004 19:21:01 GMT -5
On the other side of the question, what if the person to be born is another Hitler (whose mother was reputed to have contemplated an abortion)? This is also very much apart of the "what if" argument. Taking this philosophy with regards to abortion is very much like the capital punishment debate. Canada revoked capital punishment in the 1970's because the risk was too great (in the politician's and public's eyes) that an innocent man might be executed. It was viewed as "better to err on the side of caution." Now bringing it into the abortion debate: Which side would be seen as more cautious? Saving the researcher that cures cancer, or , killing the next Adolf Hilter? That is the question everyone has to come to grips with in their own minds.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Aug 9, 2004 9:18:36 GMT -5
Fun, fun, fun in the devil's playground.
Are we not Gods? Do we not exercise free will? Behold the results and consequences of our words and deeds...
Heaven and Hell are planes of existence, states of being. "Wherever you go, there you are."
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Post by Toronthab on Aug 9, 2004 23:47:01 GMT -5
Fun, fun, fun in the devil's playground. Are we not Gods? Do we not exercise free will? Behold the results and consequences of our words and deeds... Heaven and Hell are planes of existence, states of being. "Wherever you go, there you are." I agree with you that we have in some sense, a free will, though I am no great scholar on the subject. I do know that it is now said that to study either physics or the brain you end up studying philosophy. You seem to be saying that one would have a sense of one's existential condition or "plane". So you in fact think that? I surely don't at all, although I would agreee that there can be a real interplay with consciousness in some instances.
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Post by cigarviper on Aug 13, 2004 21:28:30 GMT -5
Okay, but, how DO they get the caramel inside a Caramilk candy bar?
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Post by Skilly on Aug 14, 2004 20:03:38 GMT -5
Okay, but, how DO they get the caramel inside a Caramilk candy bar? Molds.
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Post by franko on Aug 14, 2004 20:55:57 GMT -5
Oh, ya? I have mold in my basement -- how do I get rid of it?
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Post by Skilly on Aug 16, 2004 20:22:37 GMT -5
Oh, ya? I have mo ld in my basement -- how do I get rid of it?First you would have to identify the type of mold. The area may need to be quaratined if it is a harmful mold. Then you would have to get enviornmental experts to remove the mold. My advice would be to rebuild the wall. Hopefully you are lucky and it isn't a load bearing wall, but if it is ...... a few I-beams can hold up your ceiling easy enough while you replace the wall. One small spelling mistake ....... shheesh ..... next time you will have to tape "Extreme Home Makeover".
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 17, 2004 2:37:19 GMT -5
Oh, ya? I have mo ld in my basement -- how do I get rid of it?Ask Mr. Gainey. He got rid of Czerkawski and Audette and they are as close to mold as we had.
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Post by cigarviper on Aug 17, 2004 22:48:15 GMT -5
Oh, ya? I have mo ld in my basement -- how do I get rid of it?Maybe he's talking about moulding in his basement. If that's the case, call a plumber. I hear the pride of Stirling's "Home of NHL Star Rob Ray" is available for hire.
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