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Post by HardCap on Mar 3, 2005 23:16:38 GMT -5
If you actually want to prove him wrong, why not find a few relevant facts ? For example, dig up a few organisations that define themselves as being atheist, and you'll prove him wrong. No need for just blasting one another as you're starting to do here. Ah, my reasonable friend, Paul the Habs Fan, so nice to see you again...lol
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Post by HardCap on Mar 3, 2005 23:18:13 GMT -5
Are you actually trying to bring reason into the debate discussion? Good luck! The . . . um . . . rhetoric is flying thick in both directions, with few words of substance. God love us ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by Toronthab on Mar 4, 2005 0:18:42 GMT -5
There you go judging others again - you can tell who is truly pious and who is not - that's quite the power you have...lol ![:-*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/kiss.png) You slay me. What do you care if people, world leaders or otherwise tell the truth or love according to truth and justice? ha. While I'm sure Jerry Falwell got his smarmy, smug, self-righteous oily way in a manner similar to the way we all come to our faults, he reeks. I don't know a single religious person who doesn't find him repulsive. I am not his judge but he provides a powerful incentive to any rational person to avoid even considering Christianity. For God's sake. What a joke! Let's see now..."by their works you shall know them." "Many are those who cry Lord, Lord but do not know me." or "I was hungry and you fed me, naked and you clothed me, in prison and you visited me" "By their love you shall know them."
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Post by Toronthab on Mar 4, 2005 0:32:54 GMT -5
I think that you have uncovered the element of truth that differentiates the post 9/11 world from our simple pastoral society pre 9/11. You are with us or against us! If you sell guns to the enemy, you are against us. If you encourage martyrs to blow themselves up, you are against us. If you sell anti-tank rockets, you are against us. If you proliferate neuclear bomb production, you are against us. If you harbor fugitives, you are against us. Iceland and Switzerland can claim neutrality, but anyone who has airports with departing flights to the US, ships with containers bound for the US, ability to produce anthrax, terrorists in the Phillipines, Iraq, Pakistan, North korea. We now see the world as a dangerous place and have to take lighters and nail clippers away from airline passengers. Wait in long lines to pass through airport checkpoints. The simple days of neutrality are behind us, and we must seek self-preservation. The alternative of benign coexistance is no longer a safe option. Aw, the terrible two's...teething I guess. You are with us or against us? No wonder you find the moron attractive If you sell guns to the ememy. Who do you have in mind Bush Sr and the CIA Encourage martyrs to blow themselves up..US troops sent to die in a liar's war? Proliferate nuclear bomb production...pentagon, General Dynamics GE? Harbour fugitives...The white House? Neutrality? Benign coexistance? God you're scary.
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Post by HardCap on Mar 4, 2005 8:14:03 GMT -5
You slay me. What do you care if people, world leaders or otherwise tell the truth or love according to truth and justice? ha. While I'm sure Jerry Falwell got his smarmy, smug, self-righteous oily way in a manner similar to the way we all come to our faults, he reeks. I don't know a single religious person who doesn't find him repulsive. I am not his judge but he provides a powerful incentive to any rational person to avoid even considering Christianity. For God's sake. What a joke! Let's see now..."by their works you shall know them." "Many are those who cry Lord, Lord but do not know me." or "I was hungry and you fed me, naked and you clothed me, in prison and you visited me" "By their love you shall know them." I was NOT speaking about Falwell per se, but about people who judge others faith - how do you judge something so personal? You can't. Not even a "smart" guy like you...lol
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 4, 2005 10:06:05 GMT -5
I was NOT speaking about Falwell per se, but about people who judge others faith - how do you judge something so personal? You can't. Not even a "smart" guy like you...lol Then you take no issue with those who wage jihad against the Great Satan (USA). That was not a question, merely a logical deduction based on your statement.
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Post by HardCap on Mar 4, 2005 10:19:07 GMT -5
Then you take no issue with those who wage jihad against the Great Satan (USA). That was not a question, merely a logical deduction based on your statement. I take issue with their actions, based on their beliefs. I don't question their faith. If anyone is committed to their faith, it is the suicide bomber willing to meet his 72 virgins. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 4, 2005 11:15:08 GMT -5
I take issue with their actions, based on their beliefs. As apparently do many vis-a-vis George W Bush. It is an extraordinarily high level of commitment.
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Post by HardCap on Mar 4, 2005 11:47:29 GMT -5
As apparently do many vis-a-vis George W Bush It is an extraordinarily high level of commitment. Evidently - it is their right to criticize his policies - isn't democracy and freedom of speech grand! Those bombers really go out on a limb. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 4, 2005 11:49:47 GMT -5
Charlemagne went to war and attacked the infadels to free the holy land for religeon. Pakistan vs India. Orange fought Green in Ireland. Africa is full of borders surveyed by the British and crossing religeous and tribal lines. Christians vs Jews followed by Catholics vs Protestants and then Anglicans vs Presbeterian. Gotta like a religeon like Latter Day Saints that has great family commercials and allows as many wives as a man wants. Turn off the lights, there's a Witness of Jehova at the door. Enter witness protection mode. Now it's Religeous vs Athiest vs Agnostic. Not much to not like about Mother Theresa, but she was no Britney Spears. The world would be better without religeon, but it would be better without a lot of things (Goodenow and Bettman). Until then lets kill everybody who is different from us. By the way, what color are your eyes?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 4, 2005 12:09:59 GMT -5
Evidently - it is their right to criticize his policies - isn't democracy and freedom of speech grand! Democracy and freedom of speech are not prerequisites for disagreeing with Bush's policies. The whole political spectrum of human cultures was arrayed against his invasion of Iraq.
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Post by HardCap on Mar 4, 2005 12:13:14 GMT -5
Democracy and freedom of speech are not prerequisites for disagreeing with Bush's policies. The whole political spectrum of human cultures was arrayed against his invasion of Iraq. Bush would encourage that - he would hope that all cultures and societies would be free enough to criticize both him and their very own leadership and express themsleves democratically...that would be grand ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 4, 2005 12:14:34 GMT -5
Charlemagne went to war and attacked the infadels to free the holy land for religeon. Pakistan vs India. Orange fought Green in Ireland. Africa is full of borders surveyed by the British and crossing religeous and tribal lines. Christians vs Jews followed by Catholics vs Protestants and then Anglicans vs Presbeterian. Gotta like a religeon like Latter Day Saints that has great family commercials and allows as many wives as a man wants. Turn off the lights, there's a Witness of Jehova at the door. Enter witness protection mode. Now it's Religeous vs Athiest vs Agnostic. Not much to not like about Mother Theresa, but she was no Britney Spears. The world would be better without religeon, but it would be better without a lot of things (Goodenow and Bettman). Until then lets kill everybody who is different from us. By the way, what color are your eyes? Oxygen! STAT!
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 4, 2005 12:16:13 GMT -5
funny that in some of those cultures you speak of, only the criticism of Bush is allowed and encouraged....lol And quite justifiably so. He is after all the most dangerous man on the planet.
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Post by HardCap on Mar 4, 2005 12:18:25 GMT -5
And quite justifiably so. He is after all the most dangerous man on the planet. of course he is... ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png)
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Post by HabbaDasher on Mar 4, 2005 13:12:14 GMT -5
I the only thing we've agreed about in this thread is that George Bush isn't perfect. Our differences are just a matter of degree....lol
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 4, 2005 16:43:42 GMT -5
Bush would encourage that - he would hope that all cultures and societies would be free enough to criticize both him and their very own leadership and express themsleves democratically...that would be grand ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) Globally the nations of the Earth, representing all manner of governments, were nearly universal in raising their voices in a democratic chorus denouncing Bush's intent to invade Iraq. Bush may pay lip service to democratic expression, but he clearly doesn't accept it if it goes against his interest or that of those who direct his actions.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 4, 2005 18:33:36 GMT -5
Globally the nations of the Earth, representing all manner of governments, were nearly universal in raising their voices in a democratic chorus denouncing Bush's intent to invade Iraq. Bush may pay lip service to democratic expression, but he clearly doesn't accept it if it goes against his interest or that of those who direct his actions. If Henri Richard listened to everyone who told him he was too small, he never would have played in the NHL. He ignored the voices of the multitude and did what he thought was right. Years later after 11 Cups a lot of people agreed that Henri was right all along.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 4, 2005 18:42:53 GMT -5
If Henri Richard listened to everyone who told him he was too small, he never would have played in the NHL. He ignored the voices of the multitude and did what he thought was right. Years later after 11 Cups a lot of people agreed that Henri was right all along. Richard didn't do what he thought was right, he busted his butt to make the *team*. His skill and effort were noticed and rewarded in his first training camp. He didn't go it alone or do it alone. In that sense George W Bush is a smaller man than Henri Richard.
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Post by blaise on Mar 4, 2005 19:43:10 GMT -5
If Henri Richard listened to everyone who told him he was too small, he never would have played in the NHL. He ignored the voices of the multitude and did what he thought was right. Years later after 11 Cups a lot of people agreed that Henri was right all along. What is an HFLA? A man who talks about Bush on the Habs threads and the Habs on nonhockey related threads.
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Post by HardCap on Mar 4, 2005 21:12:42 GMT -5
Richard didn't do what he thought was right, he busted his butt to make the *team*. His skill and effort were noticed and rewarded in his first training camp. He didn't go it alone or do it alone. In that sense George W Bush is a smaller man than Henri Richard. You have your Richard analogy mixed up - Dubya is more like Maurice - if you can remember the Rocket's Red Glare... ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by HardCap on Mar 4, 2005 21:16:22 GMT -5
What is an HFLA? A man who talks about Bush on the Habs threads and the Habs on nonhockey related threads. A Man for All (lockout) Seasons... ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 4, 2005 21:56:11 GMT -5
You have your Richard analogy mixed up - Dubya is more like Maurice - if you can remember the Rocket's Red Glare... ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) It is widely agreed that the Rocket was the greatest player to suit up for the Habs. And you think that George W Bush is the greatest American president? Uh-huh.
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Post by HardCap on Mar 4, 2005 22:21:33 GMT -5
It is widely agreed that the Rocket was the greatest player to suit up for the Habs. And you think that George W Bush is the greatest American president? Uh-huh. No, no, no - you fail to see my point - like the Rocket - he was beloved by the Habs and hated by the other teams - a fierce competitor. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by Toronthab on Mar 5, 2005 0:25:53 GMT -5
If Henri Richard listened to everyone who told him he was too small, he never would have played in the NHL. He ignored the voices of the multitude and did what he thought was right. Years later after 11 Cups a lot of people agreed that Henri was right all along. This analogy is completely inadequate and fails to address the obvious issue. The little bush that could device avoids the basis for universal condemnation of this international travesty of justice. No one thought US forces couldn't suceed. The issue was not competence, but grave matters, a grieveous breach of international lawand principles of national soverienty. It's really surprising that the BuSaperlipopetteters aren't rushing to get behind Martin's UN bid to give more power and means to intervene WITH DUE PROCESS and rule of law.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Mar 5, 2005 13:31:58 GMT -5
No, no, no - you fail to see my point - like the Rocket - he was beloved by the Habs and hated by the other teams - a fierce competitor. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) George W Bush was never beloved by the Habs. George W Bush doesn't compete, he takes orders. George W Bush will never be in any Hall of Fame. George W Bush may cause riots in the streets on his home turf. George W Bush is not worthy to lift the Rocket's cup.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 5, 2005 19:59:25 GMT -5
George W Bush was never beloved by the Habs. George W Bush doesn't compete, he takes orders. George W Bush will never be in any Hall of Fame. George W Bush may cause riots in the streets on his home turf. George W Bush is not worthy to lift the Rocket's cup. MBE; I have suceeded in getting "W" into a religeous thread again, 5 times, without really trying. I have the power! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by franko on Mar 6, 2005 0:24:23 GMT -5
MBE; I have suceeded in getting "W" into a religeous thread again, 5 times, without really trying. I have the power! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) And this is something you are proud of? You should be ashamed of yourself! The only bush that should be discussed in this thread is the burning bush (note to Blaise et al: I do not refer to burning GWBush in effigy!). Discuss Passover or Easter; Yom Kippur or Ramadan; Christianity and Buddhism and Confucianism and animism; the failure of organized religion or its saving graces . . . but there are enough GWBush threads available already . . . let's keep the discussion as to whether he is evil incarnate or not over there, svp and merci.
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Post by Toronthab on Mar 6, 2005 1:37:29 GMT -5
I was NOT speaking about Falwell per se, but about people who judge others faith - how do you judge something so personal? You can't. Not even a "smart" guy like you...lol You were writing about Falwell himself. What you had in mind is of course open to conjecture. You can of course jusge others' faith or commitment to it. You chose to ignore what I wrote, .or more likely as a BuSaperlipopetteter just decided what is, isn't. As for being a "smart guy like me", ya, I'll readily admit it. I am much more intelligent than you, more honest and have better values. It's hard to feel bad about that and in fact I'm really quite glad about it. You have no idea how unintelligent you are, but I do. It's part of the curse you don't know it, but all the people much smarter and more honest than you can see it as clearly as day.
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Post by Toronthab on Mar 6, 2005 1:44:10 GMT -5
And this is something you are proud of? You should be ashamed of yourself! The only bush that should be discussed in this thread is the burning bush (note to Blaise et al: I do not refer to burning GWBush in effigy!). Discuss Passover or Easter; Yom Kippur or Ramadan; Christianity and Buddhism and Confucianism and animism; the failure of organized religion or its saving graces . . . but there are enough GWBush threads available already . . . let's keep the discussion as to whether he is evil incarnate or not over there, svp and merci. You are right on Franko. I will repent. What failure of organized religion?? You big tease!
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