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Post by MTLMan on Dec 8, 2003 14:16:59 GMT -5
spectorshockey.tripod.com/default.htmlSTARS PLANNING TO MAKE TRADES? OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports "NHL sources" claim Dallas Stars management is shopping around for a deal to shake up their roster. GM Doug Armstrong had contacted Senators GM John Muckler and while Muckler says no trades between the two clubs are in the works, Garrioch suggests that could change if the right deal came along. The Stars would like to move forwards Pierre Turgeon and Jason Arnott but aren't finding any takers because of their salaries. It's believed Armstrong is interested in Sens blueliners Karel Rachunek and Brian Pothier. Spector's Note: The Sens could afford to pick up either Brenden Morrow or Steve Ott if they're looking to add more grit to their forward lines, but if Muckler says nothing is brewing then we'll have to take him at his word. It's unlikely the Stars would want to part with either of those guys. The Stars plight is yet another example of big-market teams carrying players with hefty contracts that they cannot move. With uncertainty over the outcome of the next CBA that makes it even worse. He is the type of player we need but what is his salary and who would we have to give up?
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Post by blny on Dec 8, 2003 15:48:47 GMT -5
If we weren't in a youth movement, I'd say get him. Jason is good for a second or third line role. He can contribute Perreault-like numbers and is more responsible I believe. His size and great would also be welcomed.
That said, do we want to add more 30 plus players to our lineup? Will Dallas take some of the ones we have? I doubt it on two accounts. One, the owner is in a salary dump mood. The guys we want to shed make mid-card coin. Two, the guys we want to shed aren't exactly hot commodities. One of them was already there - Audette.
I think if this were a few years ago it'd be a good idea. I think we tried to get him from Edmonton or Jersey didn't we? Arnott doesn't make us better enough to warrant giving up the youth that Dallas is going to want. Perhaps defensemen could go the other way. Rivet? But that still leaves a lot that they'd want in return.
At present, I think we should continue to build from within.
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Post by MTLMan on Dec 8, 2003 17:04:47 GMT -5
He's only 29 years old and would set a good example for our young players about how to play with grit and determination. Even if you are in a youth movement you need vetrans to show the young guys how it's done. After this year we won't have many vets left on our team. Depending on his salary I think he would be a good fit.
And Dallas isn't in salary dumping mode they are trying to "shake up their roster". Which means they are trying to win now.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 8, 2003 17:06:15 GMT -5
I'd be seriously interested in Jason Arnott.... 6-4, 225 lb center, decent 2-way play, lots of playoff experience, 29 years old.
If Dallas is looking to dump his salary, then I would be interested. With our expiring contracts for next year, we're going to be looking to spend money on FAs and Arnott is the type og guy Gainey would be looking for. If we have to take on some salary in the short-term to lock him up then I say do it.
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Post by Rimmer on Dec 9, 2003 3:20:34 GMT -5
I would love to get Arnott if the price is right. but since Gainey brought him to Dallas and knows all there is to know about him, I'll trust his judgment on this matter.
btw, Arnott's name has been mentioned even this summer as one of the players Dallas could trade to reduce their payroll because they couldn't find takers for the players they really wanted to trade (Turgeon, Young, Guerin).
it would be nice to have him behind Saku and is young enough to have at least 5-6 productive years ahead of him. but health-wise, he's injury-prone like Saku.
R.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 15, 2003 9:41:59 GMT -5
He's only 29 years old and would set a good example for our young players about how to play with grit and determination. Even if you are in a youth movement you need vetrans to show the young guys how it's done. After this year we won't have many vets left on our team. Depending on his salary I think he would be a good fit. And Dallas isn't in salary dumping mode they are trying to "shake up their roster". Which means they are trying to win now. Agreed. Arnott still have plenty of productive years in front of him and his contract isn't all that scary. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 18, 2003 9:32:54 GMT -5
To add a little fuel to that fire, I was watching the Dallas/Nucks games last night on RDS and Benoit Brunet (analyst) said that Guy Carbonneau was in Montreal.
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Post by blny on Dec 18, 2003 13:56:39 GMT -5
To add a little fuel to that fire, I was watching the Dallas/Nucks games last night on RDS and Benoit Brunet (analyst) said that Guy Carbonneau was in Montreal. Bah!! Likely visiting some friends or something. If Doug Armstrong were in town, then it would be fuel on the fire. |
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Post by legaspesien on Dec 18, 2003 14:47:09 GMT -5
Bah!! Likely visiting some friends or something. If Doug Armstrong were in town, then it would be fuel on the fire. Watching Zamuner on waivers |
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Post by Bandit on Dec 18, 2003 20:40:20 GMT -5
With all the trade speculation concerning Koivu, and talk about the Stars shaking things up. Would you consider this trade. Not a rumour, just something that I sort of threw together with all the speculation.
Koivu + Rivet for Arnott, Morrow, + a pick(Thought we could have that thrown in.
Gives us youth size and scoring. Gives Dallas a shake up, and a heart and soul guy in Koivu with skill. What do you think?
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 19, 2003 9:45:04 GMT -5
With all the trade speculation concerning Koivu, and talk about the Stars shaking things up. Would you consider this trade. Not a rumour, just something that I sort of threw together with all the speculation. Koivu + Rivet for Arnott, Morrow, + a pick(Thought we could have that thrown in. Gives us youth size and scoring. Gives Dallas a shake up, and a heart and soul guy in Koivu with skill. What do you think? I don't like trading Koivu. Not becuase I think he's a great player, but he's our only legitimate playmaking center. Mike Ribeiro will NEVER be as good a player as Koivu, who plays with far more intensity than Ribs and is a way better skater. Plus, Koivu would look a lot better as our #1 center if Jason Arnott was our #2 guy - it's all about balance. But if you deal Koivu, we're left with Ribeiro as our main offensive centre and that's a frightening prospect. |
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Post by Chopper on Dec 19, 2003 11:21:27 GMT -5
I have to agree with that trade idea. We get a young power Forward in Morrow, and size up the middle with Arnott. I think Arnott could be our number one center, He was pretty good when playing with NJ. Our team had a great start this year, when Koivu was injured. The last year we made the playoffs...... Koivu was injured. I think way too much is put into having a big center. Vancouver is doing fine with Brendan Morrison as their number one center. But as for trading Koivu, I would only do it, if we were getting a young player like Morrow.
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Post by blny on Dec 19, 2003 11:32:10 GMT -5
I have to agree with that trade idea. We get a young power Forward in Morrow, and size up the middle with Arnott. I think Arnott could be our number one center, He was pretty good when playing with NJ. Our team had a great start this year, when Koivu was injured. The last year we made the playoffs...... Koivu was injured. I think way too much is put into having a big center. Vancouver is doing fine with Brendan Morrison as their number one center. But as for trading Koivu, I would only do it, if we were getting a young player like Morrow. The reason Morrison survives is Bert on his left wing. Saku doesn't have that. |
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Post by blny on Dec 19, 2003 11:33:09 GMT -5
With all the trade speculation concerning Koivu, and talk about the Stars shaking things up. Would you consider this trade. Not a rumour, just something that I sort of threw together with all the speculation. Koivu + Rivet for Arnott, Morrow, + a pick(Thought we could have that thrown in. Gives us youth size and scoring. Gives Dallas a shake up, and a heart and soul guy in Koivu with skill. What do you think? I think by replacing Morrow with Ott it's more realistic. |
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Post by Chopper on Dec 19, 2003 12:57:13 GMT -5
The reason Morrison survives is Bert on his left wing. Saku doesn't have that. So adding 2 tough 20 goal scorers, one who is a center, a big one at that doesn't make a difference to you? We wouldn't have a 1st or 2nd line center, but more like 1a and 1b. Arnott is a big center with 20 goal potential, playing with Ryder and Bulis. Ribeiro plays with Zednik and Morrow. Having big skilled centers doesn't equal success, ask Carolina. Brind'amour, Francis. Why does it have to be a big "Center" you yourself said the reason Morrison has success is Bertuzzi. |
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Post by Bandit on Dec 19, 2003 14:19:50 GMT -5
I think by replacing Morrow with Ott it's more realistic. If they did that I definitely wouldn't do that trade. It's already a little iffy for me the way I proposed it originally. |
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