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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 28, 2006 7:04:43 GMT -5
I think the rest of the world wants the US to help. The fact is they are not to their capabilities. Which is the real problem. Charity begins at home .... What are those countries doing for themselves. And should the US be chatised for using that money to create employment within their borders, help their homeless, help their more unfortunate citizens. The US also has one of the world's largest debts, and a great deal of that debt is borrowing to give foreign aid... so should the US go further in debt to help others and turn a blind eye on their own citizens? Again this is just a different viewpoint and not my own .... playing a little devil's advocate. EDIT: To take it another step further. The thing with capabilities is that they are constantly changing. How much is Columbia giving? Is every country expected to give the same percentage of their GDP? If so, what is the poor country's contribution? Even when you go to the bank or declare bankruptcy you have to liquidate all your assests before they will give you money. How much money, not %, does the US give? It is probably more than most nations combined ..... yet they are frowned upon. Imagine if they gave nothing..... the glass is half full , no its empty. It's the spirit of the giving that counts (see my avatar sig), not the bondage that is tied in.
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Post by Tattac on Nov 28, 2006 7:24:10 GMT -5
I've got an idea (though not a suggestion) Russia sent some troops to Lebanon to rebuild their bridges. A huge part of that ...ahhh....whatever it is called, sorry ...consists of muslims. They say it helped to build good relations with locals. Maybe the US should think about it too?? There must be some muslims in the US army...they would understand locals better... just a thought....
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Post by Skilly on Nov 28, 2006 7:25:44 GMT -5
When? Now? After they created all this mess? Well…I don’t know. Should I? Well that's your decision ... I just wanted to hear what one from your side of the world feels is the answer to this situation. What you feel the US's involvement/contribution to world problems should be?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 28, 2006 7:45:05 GMT -5
When? Now? After they created all this mess? Well…I don’t know. Should I? Well that's your decision ... I just wanted to hear what one from your side of the world feels is the answer to this situation. What you feel the US's involvement/contribution to world problems should be? Do the right thing. ExtraLOVE the consequences to your own ego and pocketbook. It's as simple and apparently as difficult as that. Made a mess? Clean it up. No agenda attached. The world will stand astonished. All that is lacking is the will to do that.
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Post by PTH on Nov 30, 2006 18:47:36 GMT -5
Well that's your decision ... I just wanted to hear what one from your side of the world feels is the answer to this situation. What you feel the US's involvement/contribution to world problems should be? Do the right thing. LOVE the consequences to your own ego and pocketbook. It's as simple and apparently as difficult as that. Made a mess? Clean it up. No agenda attached. The world will stand astonished. All that is lacking is the will to do that. I don't think the US fully realises the hornet's nest it's stirred up in the Middle East.... most Americans don't realise to what extent Iraq was a very different country than the Western world is, nor do they realise how hard it is for a country to rebuild itself, including all its institutions, when in the middle of a civil war with strong religious overtones, along with a hostile occupation. But yes, I agree that the US should stick it out to put in place a reasonable semblance of order before leaving, though I wonder if that can happen given the history of complete and utter incompetence and all its consequences these past few years.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 30, 2006 22:59:22 GMT -5
I don't think the US fully realises the hornet's nest it's stirred up in the Middle East.... most Americans don't realise to what extent Iraq was a very different country than the Western world is, nor do they realise how hard it is for a country to rebuild itself, including all its institutions, when in the middle of a civil war with strong religious overtones, along with a hostile occupation. I guess we might be talking about a centuries-old autocratic society having democracy shoved down its throat. They simply aren't ready for that. I think the USA finally realizes the mess they've created. The original platform, WMD, quickly waned to finding Saddam at all costs. Too convenient IMHO. However, no one, including the coaltion could see the consequences of removing a dictator like Saddam. While a brutal, self-serving ruler, he was a stabilizing force who understood the 'indo-Arab dynamic' for lack of better words. He was actually tolerated by his neighbours. This will be difficult; almost a catch-22 of sorts. IMHO, I really don't see the coalition facilitating this. People simply resent them being there and will do any and all to get them out. And I feel it will get worse as soon as these people realize the coalition is pulling out. The USA couldn't get out of Vietnam fast enough. They were practically running. I don't have a crystal ball but this is what I feel will happen in Iraq. Reasonable semblance of order will probably occur well after the USA pulls out and as the civil war wanes. Cheers.
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Post by PTH on Nov 30, 2006 23:25:29 GMT -5
However, no one, including the coaltion could see the consequences of removing a dictator like Saddam. While a brutal, self-serving ruler, he was a stabilizing force who understood the 'indo-Arab dynamic' for lack of better words. He was actually tolerated by his neighbours. Well, go back and read the anti-invasion rants we had on here 3-4 years ago - we might not have had all the specifics right, but it's a case of doing something stupid, very badly - even if done right the invasion might have been a fiasco, but now, done badly, it's not a question of if something was going to go wrong, it's a question of how many things would go wrong. And if bozos with day jobs could see it coming by reading the paper, then no serious nation in the world has any excuse for not seeing disaster looming.
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