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Post by Cranky on Dec 2, 2006 12:30:20 GMT -5
Trudeau wrote a great, insight paragraph about Canadian tribalism. For the life of me, I can't remember the words and I have spent hours trying to find it.
Does anyone remember it or know of it?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Dec 2, 2006 13:05:50 GMT -5
Trudeau wrote a great, insight paragraph about Canadian tribalism. For the life of me, I can't remember the words and I have spent hours trying to find it. Does anyone remember it or know of it? Perhaps this extract from an address to the House of Commons on the Royal Commision on Bilingualism and Biculturalism is what you mean: It was the view of the royal commission, shared by the government and, I am sure, by all Canadians, that there cannot be one cultural policy for Canadians of British and French origin, another for the original peoples and yet a third for all others. For although there are two official languages, there is no official culture, nor does any ethnic group take precedence over any other. No citizen or group of citizens is other than Canadian, and all should be treated fairly.- the full transcript* A human being's alleigances generally follow the following path: the self, those who have had a formative impact on the self (blood relatives), immediate social environment (spouse, ffriends, co-workers, neighbourhood), the readily accessible geographic area(s) wherein one resides, the greater human world, the world of ideas and concepts. Same as it ever was. For better or for worse most people's identities are most strongly informed by and attached to the earlier influences. Me and us, us and them. But, take heart, advertisers are constantly seeking to expand our level of awareness, our sense of oneness—it is the currency in which they trade. In nothingness is oneness, and all is one. All important social evolution begins at the individual level—as Martin Luther King Jr said, "You can't legislate love." And, oh, vive la différence! How simple is life.
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Post by franko on Dec 2, 2006 13:08:04 GMT -5
It was a rhetorical question meant to challenge Skilly's tribalism regionalism assertions of nationhood. But since you joined the dance.... Tell me, how different is BC from Alberta from Saskatchewan from Manitoba from Ontario? For the sake of discussion, try making the trivial differences sound important. Don't forget to include the religious, language, physical and social differences. Oh wait, I hear that BC'ers......walk tilted to the left. Since you asked . . . The differences are mindset. - BC: we are enlightened and know what is best for everyone (=left-leaning policies)
- AB: we may not be enlightened but we know what is best for us -- leave us (and our
money resources alone.
- SK/MB: we are just trying to survive, thank-you-very-much.
- ON: what? there are others with opinions? silly people.
- QC: we actually have a cultural background that we are trying to hold on to. and we agree with what Alberta thinks; we just have more power to speak it out loud and maybe do something about it.
- EC: [never lived there; can't adequately speak]
Differences are trivial to those outside but tres important to those involved. Talk about hockey to my wife (she tricked me -- she took an interest in sports before we married but says that the "I do" did not include such mundane things) and she could care less, but to a Habs fan it is life or death. We are passionate about what concerns us. And in the long run the differences are trivial but we hold on to them. You are right -- perhaps a bit less eloquent more plain with how you put it. Remember my HA for PM sig? You let your chance go and now we are going to be stuck with yet another floor-crosser as pretender to the throne.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 2, 2006 15:26:42 GMT -5
It was a rhetorical question meant to challenge Skilly's tribalism regionalism assertions of nationhood. Are asking me what makes Newfoundland different from the other nine provinces, that justify the "assertion" of nationhood? Well for starters the way we joined Confederation. Newfoundland was present in Charlottetown in 1867 but we weren't allowed to join Confederation. Then we were at the meetings to bring the next group of provinces into Confederation . Again we were not worthy allowed to join. Then were severed ties with Britain and became a nation .... the only Canadian province ever to be a nation .... and when TROC saw our natural resources all of a sudden they wanted us to be a part of Canada. The Newfoundland and Labrador public did not want to join Canada, tried twice before, too bad so sad and all that ..... but the government of Canada and Britain joined forces with a power hungry Newfoundland politician to dube the public and join Confederation .... there are so many improprieties over that referendum , from ballot stuffing to pay offs ... Our nationhood should never have been taken from us .... this has nothing to do with culture, language, dialect, "negative stereotyping"?? , ..... it has to do with something being taken from us that never should have been. When we joined Canada we had a surplus, the very next year and every year until last year we had a deficit. Joey wanted to build a legacy for himself, and tried to sell the public that Canada would look after us when it came to dealing with the other provinces ... We were a nation, no other province can say that. Everything taht made us a nation back in 1948 are still there today .... not that much time has passed to assimilate us.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 2, 2006 15:31:53 GMT -5
- BC: we are enlightened and know what is best for everyone (=left-leaning policies)
- AB: we may not be enlightened but we know what is best for us -- leave us (and our
money resources alone.
- SK/MB: we are just trying to survive, thank-you-very-much.
- ON: what? there are others with opinions? silly people.
- QC: we actually have a cultural background that we are trying to hold on to. and we agree with what Alberta thinks; we just have more power to speak it out loud and maybe do something about it.
- EC: [never lived there; can't adequately speak]
. NL: We are sick of being taken advantage of. We are sick of being looked down upon as the black sheep of the family. We are sick of being told what is best for us and what is best for the country.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 2, 2006 18:46:12 GMT -5
Since you asked . . . The differences are mindset. Cogito terra ergo sum terra. Differences are trivial to those outside but tres important to those involved. The differences are as trivial or as important as it serves the self interests. Nothing more. Remember my HA for PM sig? You let your chance go and now we are going to be stuck with yet another floor-crosser as pretender to the throne. There just not enough virgins in heaven to justify fighting against "ask not what you can do for your country, but what the country can do for you".
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