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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 10, 2003 9:22:01 GMT -5
updated...thank you Hawks for winning yesterday! ;D
22nd Montreal 69 24 29 8 8 64 171 202 14-12-5-3 10-17-3-5 1-6-1-2
23rd Florida 69 21 27 12 9 63 157 201 7-16-7-5 14-11-5-4 4-5-1-0
24th San Jose 68 25 32 6 5 61 184 201 14-13-4-1 11-19-2-4 4-6-0-0
25th Calgary 68 23 31 10 4 60 154 195 10-13-8-1 13-18-2-3 5-3-2-0
26th Pittsburgh 70 25 36 4 5 59 169 215 14-18-1-2 11-18-3-3 1-9-0-0
27th Columbus 67 24 33 7 3 58 175 214 17-11-4-2 7-22-3-1 2-6-1-1
28th Buffalo 68 21 32 9 6 57 152 177 13-15-4-1 8-17-5-5 4-3-2-1
29th Carolina 69 20 34 9 6 55 142 193 11-13-7-3 9-21-2-3 2-6-2-0
30th Atlanta 67 22 35 6 4 54 178 240 11-17-3-2 11-18-3-2 3-5-2-0
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 14, 2003 22:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Mar 14, 2003 23:47:22 GMT -5
I'm starting to lean towards Bernier as well. I didn't know he was so big. I knew he was big, but I thought like 6-2 210 or something, which is massive for an 18 year old. Now I hear he's 230 or something, and that he can skate like a 200 pounder. Something tells me he's going to jump into the top 10. Might have to trade up.
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Post by clear observer on Mar 15, 2003 2:36:55 GMT -5
Would he happen to be the son of former Nordiques, Serge Bernier?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 16, 2003 16:42:52 GMT -5
I'm starting to lean towards Bernier as well. I didn't know he was so big. I knew he was big, but I thought like 6-2 210 or something, which is massive for an 18 year old. Now I hear he's 230 or something, and that he can skate like a 200 pounder. Something tells me he's going to jump into the top 10. Might have to trade up. The way the team is going we may not have to trade up. We're dropping down. I really don't know much about all the players available, but if Bernier is a big forward and plays big, we can use him on our team. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2003 12:41:19 GMT -5
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Post by Habfaith on Mar 19, 2003 13:54:23 GMT -5
I live in Calgary and see a fair bit of the WHL's Hitmen. I have been lucky enough to see young Freddy Sjostrom (Pheonix's 1st rounder last year) light it up this year. His linemate, Ryan Getzlaf could be our first rounder.
Getzlaf is a strapping 6'3" 190 pounder from Regina, SK. A good skater with a nose for the net, he has racked up 30g and 36a in 63 games. He plays RW and C, and seems like a bright kid from the interviews I've heard.
His 117 PMs attest to his grit (what else would you expect from a prairie boy?) and he is +8 on a team that is well under .500.
Of course I am biased, but this could be our next Zednik...
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Post by AH on Mar 19, 2003 14:35:02 GMT -5
I agree that we need to go for the BIG player. We have plenty of sizzling prospects up front .. but other than Perezhogin, we have no one who has STAR potential. If Horton requires trading Hainsey, then let's do it. Hainsey + 2 2nd round picks for the Horton pick. Draft Bernier with our own pick in the 10 to 12 range. Perezhogin - Horton - Bernier as our number one line in 05-06 when we are supposed to contend.  (Don't forget that this year's crop not only has a lot of great players, but it has a lot more NHL-ready players.) And then we still have Koivu, Zednik, Ribeiro, Hossa, Pleckanec, Higgins, Bulis to form a solid core of top nine forwards, or to at least trade from to get the balance one needs to be a top notch contender. Of course, losing Hainsey means we will have severely depleted our young defensive depth, since after Komi and Hainsey there are no other top four D prospects in the organization. Beauchemin, Archer, Linhart, Shasby are all 5th, 6th, 7th Dmen max. Even then, I may be being a little optimistic about a couple of those guys. Having said that, the Habs can always go out and and get a solid defenseman on the Free Agency or trade front, nor does it preclude them from drafting a great defense prospect with one of their numerous 3rd and 4th round picks, a la Fedor Tyutin or Andrei Markov. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2003 15:43:18 GMT -5
I could see that deal involving Hainsey happening with say Atlanta...if they have the 4th or 5th overall pick and Horton is still available by then...
But I would be VERY surprised if we can get a top 5 pick without giving up our own 1st round pick.
If the Tverdovsky for Brisebois deal ever re-surfaces in the summer, it certainly does make Hainsey expandable for such a move IMO
and such a move is the only way I would part with a Hainsey.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 19, 2003 20:45:16 GMT -5
I would gladly give up our #1 pick in this years draft for, you guessed it, Juri Hudler.
Ten years from now we will all be chuckling over a trivia question worded around Juri Hudler and Chris Higgins and Tomas Linhart.
Can't cry over spilled milk, but if the wings want our #1 pick for Juri, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 19, 2003 21:14:47 GMT -5
Hudler, Hudler, Hudler...
He is still a smurf so it's not like we had a MAJOR need for him.....
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Post by PTH on Mar 19, 2003 21:39:25 GMT -5
I would gladly give up our #1 pick in this years draft for, you guessed it, Juri Hudler. Ten years from now we will all be chuckling over a trivia question worded around Juri Hudler and Chris Higgins and Tomas Linhart. Can't cry over spilled milk, but if the wings want our #1 pick for Juri, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Could you at least wait until Hudler turns into something special ? Then blast away with the "I told you so" - but at least wait until he's turned into something. |
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Post by JFM on Mar 19, 2003 22:00:47 GMT -5
I would gladly give up our #1 pick in this years draft for, you guessed it, Juri Hudler. Ten years from now we will all be chuckling over a trivia question worded around Juri Hudler and Chris Higgins and Tomas Linhart. Can't cry over spilled milk, but if the wings want our #1 pick for Juri, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Hey!!!! Is he a great prospect? Is he as good as JIRI Hudler?  Sorry couldn't resist a little attempt (however poor) at levity. |
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Post by AH on Mar 20, 2003 16:36:59 GMT -5
One place Bernier is listed as a center, while the other he is listed as a RW. Which one is it ?
The more I read about him, the more I like him. Add the X Factor of being a local kid, and we get a lot more from a 12th overall pick than usual.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 20, 2003 16:55:50 GMT -5
I am 90% sure he plays Right wing AH.
I think he was a center when he came into junior..but they made him a RW.
Same deal for guys like Bertuzzi..
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Post by haborama on Mar 20, 2003 17:19:56 GMT -5
Here are some stat comparisons with Bernier and some recent Q graduates - 2nd year in the Q: Steve Bernier Mon GP 71 G 49 A 52 Pts 101 Eric Chouinard Que 62 50 59 109 Vincent Lecavlaier Rim 58 44 71 115 Simon Gagne Que 53 30 39 69 Brad Richards Rim 59 39 92 131 JP Dumont Val 66 48 57 105 Mike Ribeiro RN 69 67 100 167 Eric Daze Bea 66 59 48 107 Ales Hemsky Hull 53 27 70 97 Forgive my team abbreviations and the jumbled up stats. It looks as though Bernier has the second lowest PPG average out of all of these guys, but he's in the middle of the pack in goals per game average. That being said, these stats mean little to nothing in evaluating how good a player these guys became or Bernier will become. (Look at Ribeiro's stats! ) Based purely on his 230 frame, and his speed compensating for his size... Bernier is a step closer to the NHL than some of these guys were coming out of the Q. Let's go get him. Him or Vanek. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 20, 2003 17:24:20 GMT -5
don't forget...
Lecavalier/Richards and Gagne/Chouinard were playing together..usually on the same line...does Bernier have an extremely talented linemate to dominate with?
also...junior stats are tough to read..look at Hemsky...27 goals, 70 assists? that's a pretty weird differential for a ''natural'' sniper as he is described...
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Post by haborama on Mar 20, 2003 17:32:45 GMT -5
They must've been drooling after they got Richards in the 3rd round to go with Lecavalier.
Anyways, the next highest scoring guy on Moncton is someone named Karl Gagne:
GP 69 G 26 A 56 Pts 82
I can only guess that they play on the same line. It seems as though Bernier is responsible for carrying a lot of the load in Moncton.
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 20, 2003 18:25:02 GMT -5
Didn't they get Richards in the 2nd round though? either way it was a steal.......
Karl Gagne? never heard of him...so it looks like it's probably Bernier all alone....
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 20, 2003 22:23:54 GMT -5
man...if we keep on losing...a top 10 pick is certainly possible...who knows maybe we can win the lottery...we are due for some good luck, aren't we?  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 21, 2003 8:50:49 GMT -5
Man this guy sounds promissing........
Richard Stehlik Defense 6'04/240 Style:
Team - Sherbrooke Castors
Skills - A very powerful defensemen who uses is great size to his
advantage to throw good body checks, he is good at keeping the other team from
scoring position and really knows his defensive role. Stehlik has great
instincts to jump start the offense; as he has good outlet passing and smooth
puckhandling making him a threat to either rush the puck out or to give a good
pass out of the zone, his shot is low and hard from the point, and he can find
the open man by the net with a crisp pass. His main weakness is his panic
button is short is prone to questionable play when he is pressured.
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Post by turnbuckle on Mar 21, 2003 11:32:12 GMT -5
Here are some stat comparisons with Bernier and some recent Q graduates - 2nd year in the Q: Steve Bernier Mon GP 71 G 49 A 52 Pts 101 Eric Chouinard Que 62 50 59 109 Vincent Lecavlaier Rim 58 44 71 115 Simon Gagne Que 53 30 39 69 Brad Richards Rim 59 39 92 131 JP Dumont Val 66 48 57 105 Mike Ribeiro RN 69 67 100 167 Eric Daze Bea 66 59 48 107 Ales Hemsky Hull 53 27 70 97 Forgive my team abbreviations and the jumbled up stats. It looks as though Bernier has the second lowest PPG average out of all of these guys, but he's in the middle of the pack in goals per game average. That being said, these stats mean little to nothing in evaluating how good a player these guys became or Bernier will become. (Look at Ribeiro's stats! ) Based purely on his 230 frame, and his speed compensating for his size... Bernier is a step closer to the NHL than some of these guys were coming out of the Q. Let's go get him. Him or Vanek. One problem with those comparisons - your stats for Ribeiro, Daze and Chouinard weren't in their draft years (they were already drafted). Daze got about 50 points in his draft year, Chouinard around 80 and Ribs 125 points I believe. I know you were talking about second-year stats, but age is more important I think. |
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Post by AH on Mar 21, 2003 11:37:04 GMT -5
Not only that but The Q is a very different league tha what it was just 5 years ago. It is now a goalie league with a lot more emphasis on defensive play. Look at the number of great young defensemen available in this year's draft from the Q.
Bernier's stats would be 25% better in the old Q. Quite an accomplishment for a guy in his draft year.
Power forward wise, I like him. I like him a lot.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Mar 21, 2003 11:55:05 GMT -5
Being from Moncton, I have had the chance to see him play. He is an excellent choice if he is still available when our pick comes up. He is big, strong, mobile, has soft hands and can turn to stone when it comes time to drop them. He is still very young and is dominating. Give him a few more years and he could become an excellent quality forward.
I would be more than happy to have him on my team.
THF
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 21, 2003 15:21:11 GMT -5
has soft hands and can turn to stone when it comes time to drop them. Hopefully they don't turn to stone when he has a good scoring chance  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 23, 2003 14:27:25 GMT -5
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 24, 2003 23:18:30 GMT -5
Looks like Bernier is out with an apendacytisis(god I butchered that one I am sure  ) get well steve! hopefully a red CH jersey awaits you on draft day  |
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 26, 2003 16:38:27 GMT -5
Newest article: www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/columnist/woodlief/2003-03-26-woodlief_x.htmNo. Player Pos HT/WT Shot DOB Team
1. Marc-Andre Fleury G 6-0/174 L 11-28-84 Cape Breton
2. Nathan Horton C 6-3/195 R 5-29-85 Oshawa
3. Milan Michalek LW 6-2/204 L 12-7-84 Budejovice
4. Nikolai Zherdev LW 6-0/174 R 11-5-84 Elemash
5. Braydon Coburn D 6-5/208 L 2-27-85 Portland
6. Eric Staal C 6-2/183 L 10-29-84 Peterborough
7. Andrei Kastsitsyn RW 6-0/189 L 2-3-85 CSKA Moscow
8. Anthony Stewart RW 6-2/225 R 1-5-85 Kingston
9. Tomas Vanek RW 6-1/195 R 1-17-84 Univ. of Minnesota
10. Hugh Jessiman LW 6-5/202 R 3-28-84 Dartmouth College
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Post by MPLABBE on Mar 27, 2003 18:53:54 GMT -5
Lottery draft date is April 7th for those interested.
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Post by GMan77 on Mar 27, 2003 19:09:49 GMT -5
Lottery draft date is April 7th for those interested. Right now we're 12th worst... if we finish there the best we can hope for is the 8th overall pick: 8. Anthony Stewart RW 6-2/225 R 1-5-85 Kingston 9. Tomas Vanek RW 6-1/195 R 1-17-84 Univ. of Minnesota 10. Hugh Jessiman LW 6-5/202 R 3-28-84 Dartmouth College That list isn't the bible, but that's the range we're talking about in the best case scenario. Where is Bernier in the latest rankings?.. if at worst we end up with the 14th pick is there a chance he'd still be available? I really haven't kept up to date on the 2003 prospects, I have to admit. That #10 pick, Jessiman, at 6-5 looks sounds good.. I have to assume he has a game to go along with his size if he's considered top 10 material. |
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Sorry couldn't resist a little attempt (however poor) at levity.
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