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Post by montreal on Jul 6, 2003 2:27:20 GMT -5
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Post by Habsolution on Jul 6, 2003 3:51:26 GMT -5
Great job here ! It's like night and day when you compare it to how it was before. Needless to say that it's now a lot more day than night if you get my meaning  They finaly let you do it. At last someone who knows his stuff to take care of the habs page. |
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Post by mic on Jul 6, 2003 4:40:13 GMT -5
Nice job montreal (same for the Hamilton update) !
Just a question : perhaps it's my english which isn't good enough, but what is meant by "Ilkka Mikkola : graduated" ? Have I missed something ?
So oder so : great job !
Mic
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 6, 2003 6:27:03 GMT -5
Good job. Glad to see you've taken the bull by the horns.
Couple of quibbles. Purely subjective of course. But I'd rate Lapierre ahead of Urquhart, and Ferland ahead of Milroy/Balej.
Keep up the good work.
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Post by mic on Jul 6, 2003 7:54:42 GMT -5
[...] But I'd rate Lapierre ahead of Urquhart [...] Do you mean on pure potential ? I guess that Urquhart as a potential 2nd liner would be ahead of Lapierre who is seen as a strong two-way center who could lead a 3rd line. Now, I would personnaly rank Lapierre ahead too. By the way, hockey's futur's ranking is based on the line the player could play on. So Urquhart being ahead would probably be right. Or do you think that there is more in Lapierre that reports have mentioned (or less in Uruquhart) ? Mic |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 6, 2003 8:14:07 GMT -5
Do you mean on pure potential ? I guess that Urquhart as a potential 2nd liner would be ahead of Lapierre who is seen as a strong two-way center who could lead a 3rd line. Now, I would personnaly rank Lapierre ahead too. By the way, hockey's futur's ranking is based on the line the player could play on. So Urquhart being ahead would probably be right. Or do you think that there is more in Lapierre that reports have mentioned (or less in Uruquhart) ? Mic Ah, I must correct you regarding the criterion used to rank players. I quote from the page itself: "The player is projected on making it to the NHL on a grading scale of 1-10." I saw Lapierre and Ferland as having better odds of making it to the NHL (at this point in time) than Urquhart and Milroy/Balej. Of course this does not mean that I don't htink the latter will make it. However, it's just my opinion and any player's prospects of making it will likely have its ups and downs. I favour Lapierre because he seems to be a more complete hockey player at this stage. Though if Urquhart manages to round out his game, and there's nothing to say that he can't or won't, he will move ahead of Lapierre in my estimation. I give an edge to Ferland due to his steady unrelenting improvement and the fact that he thrives by playing a physically robust style, a quality generally lacking on the Habs. Also, Milroy and Balej seem to have stalled in their development for now. |
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Post by mic on Jul 6, 2003 8:36:42 GMT -5
Ah, I must correct you regarding the criterion used to rank players. I quote from the page itself: "The player is projected on making it to the NHL on a grading scale of 1-10." I have (sorry ) to disagree : if you click on the link just under this statement you'll find : which is what I meant by saying that Uruquahrt is more highly considered (depends on what higher mean) if you take what he could resonably become. Uruquahrt can be the better player (at least on the scoring sheet) while Lapierre is nearer to the NHL player he can become. So, on a talent scale Uruquhart would probably be first and on a chance on becoming an NHL player, Lapierre would have this honnor. @ Montreal : how did you rate the players ? Mostly agree with you. I do hope that Milroy can improve his game. Turning pro is perhaps the best thing that could happen to him. I still remember his nice Memorial Trophee run which was quite impressive. Mic |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jul 6, 2003 9:52:48 GMT -5
Just a question : perhaps it's my english which isn't good enough, but what is meant by "Ilkka Mikkola : graduated" ? Have I missed something ? Mic I think that is a mistake since he is put in with Garon and Ward; 2 guys who are NHLers starting this October Good job Dan! although I would put Ryder ahead of Urkle..but the top 9 is exactly how I see it |
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Post by Ranger Ranchod on Jul 6, 2003 11:01:21 GMT -5
Speaking of Habs' pages... where exactly did the home page for habsrus.com go? And how does this site get new members if there is no homepage to navigate to the message board from?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 6, 2003 11:27:13 GMT -5
I have (sorry ) to disagree : if you click on the link just under this statement you'll find : My bad. I didn't follow the link. Under those rules the rankings as they are make better sense. |
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jul 6, 2003 11:29:14 GMT -5
Speaking of Habs' pages... where exactly did the home page for habsrus.com go? And how does this site get new members if there is no homepage to navigate to the message board from? The habsrus.com domain is not currently hosted on a server. This board is hosted by "proboards", on one of their servers. |
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Post by blaise on Jul 6, 2003 11:31:59 GMT -5
While first defense pairing usually implies being one of the top two defensemen, and so forth (notable exception: Scott Niedermayer on the second pair is better than Brian Rafalski on the first), this is less true of forwards. For example, Bob Gainey didn't play on the first or second lines and didn't score a ton of goals but was clearly one of the most valuable players. Same with Carbonneau.
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Post by montreal on Jul 6, 2003 11:56:19 GMT -5
Nice job montreal (same for the Hamilton update) ! Just a question : perhaps it's my english which isn't good enough, but what is meant by "Ilkka Mikkola : graduated" ? Have I missed something ? So oder so : great job ! Mic Thanks. Mikkola is "graduated" due to the number of Elite League games and his age. Ryder, Beauchemin are be to graduated next year as they will be 24. |
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Post by montreal on Jul 6, 2003 12:09:19 GMT -5
Good job. Glad to see you've taken the bull by the horns. Couple of quibbles. Purely subjective of course. But I'd rate Lapierre ahead of Urquhart, and Ferland ahead of Milroy/Balej. Keep up the good work. Thanks. Lapierre is younger, but he's still on the small side. (174 lbs) Urquhart, is loaded with skill, and he already has NHL size. I put Urquhart over Lapierre, based more on me being high on Urquhart. Lapierre should be the more complete player, but Urquhart has a lot more skill, it's a tough call as both are interesting prospects. Ferland I am a big fan of. But I had to be tougher on the ones I personally like, so I don't just hype them up. Ferland is more of a 3rd/4th line guy, whereas Balej is loaded with skill (he already has NHL skating and speed) and Milroy can play in all situations while being a serious threat on offence. Ferland is known for his physical play, great work along the boards and in his own end. All 3 are solid prospects. I based the rankings on what they did this season, in the past, and what role they may play in the future. I know that it's not really what HF guidelines are, but to me I wanted to do the most acrutate job as I could. There's still some small bugs I need to work on. I couldn't figure out how to change some players in the depth chart if they had the same rank (like if 3 players all are 5.0, it doesn't let you rank them, the system does) I'll get it figured out at some point. They just turned it over to me last night, after many many tries to get them to fix the page that was sorely outdated. |
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Post by montreal on Jul 6, 2003 12:14:25 GMT -5
I think that is a mistake since he is put in with Garon and Ward; 2 guys who are NHLers starting this October Good job Dan! although I would put Ryder ahead of Urkle..but the top 9 is exactly how I see it It was tough, but Ryder is 23 and just starting to show what he can do. If I based it only on this season he would be higher, but I tried to take everything into consideration. To me Urquhart is that good, but it was a tough call. I did have Ryder higher, but it was so close with a few of them, that it could go several different ways with minor changes. As for Mikkola, even though he's not in the NHL like Garon and Ward, his age makes him graduated. |
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Post by MPLABBE on Jul 6, 2003 12:17:25 GMT -5
As for Mikkola, even though he's not in the NHL like Garon and Ward, his age makes him graduated. I see...thanks for the explanation I also agree with you on the Ferland/Milroy/Balej fiasco Milroy and Balej have higher ceilings imo...they could become 2nd line players if everything falls into place. I am not so sure we can say the same about Ferland. |
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Post by HFRichard on Jul 8, 2003 23:14:17 GMT -5
Hey montreal. Just scooted over here to HF...nice to see you around. Great work on the HF page btw.
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