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Post by gy on Oct 20, 2008 22:49:28 GMT -5
If the Habs traded for Gaborik now they'd be so far above the cap that they'd need a Sherpa guide to bring them down to their base camp.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 20, 2008 23:23:53 GMT -5
I'd put long term money on Gaborik before I put it on Manny Ramirez.
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Post by Gogie on Oct 21, 2008 7:48:44 GMT -5
I'd put long term money on Gaborik before I put it on Manny Ramirez. I'd pay big money to see Manny on skates!!! ;D |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 21, 2008 11:24:38 GMT -5
If the Habs traded for Gaborik now they'd be so far above the cap that they'd need a Sherpa guide to bring them down to their base camp. Herein lies the problem. If the numbers don't add up the deal doesn't add up. I've seen a lot of Gaborik threads on other boards. I just wish our community could move on now. Cheers. |
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Post by duster on Oct 21, 2008 14:22:41 GMT -5
I agree that the numbers simply don't add up. Has anyone reported on any Habs pro scouts attending Minnesota's games? If indeed the Wild is watching the team and talking to the Habs' brain trust, I'm thinking it has to be someone else than Gaborik being considered. Dismantling the core and possibly jeopardizing team esprit de corps for one year of injury prone Gaborik is nuts.
Gaborik is not a franchise player in my mind. He's simply a 70 point player who wants a Yashin type contract. Bob Gainey is not Mike Milbury.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 21, 2008 16:27:53 GMT -5
I agree that the numbers simply don't add up. Has anyone reported on any Habs pro scouts attending Minnesota's games? If indeed the Wild is watching the team and talking to the Habs' brain trust, I'm thinking it has to be someone else than Gaborik being considered. Dismantling the core and possibly jeopardizing team esprit de corps for one year of injury prone Gaborik is nuts. Gaborik is not a franchise player in my mind. He's simply a 70 point player who wants a Yashin type contract. Bob Gainey is not Mike Milbury. Gaborik is NOT a franchise player in the mode of Crosby, Ovetchkin, or Gretzky. That does not mean that a 70 point per year journeyman is chopped liver. He would definately add to the Hab's chances. If he expects a Yashin type contract, look elsewhere. If he is just unhappy in Minnesota and wants a shot at a cup on a good team and will sign a long term contract for a fair price, he would fit in. Kovalev can make David Copperfield look like an amateur, but he's getting older and is an unrestricted free agent come summer. I'd rather give a $ix year contract to a young Gaborik than an old Kovalev. Yzerman, Gretzky, Messier, Chelios; they all get old, sniff sniff.... Bob has a lot of bobbing and weaving to do. He has to decide who stays and who doesn't. If Toronto took Grabovsky, we have lots of UFA's they would gladly take off our hands. For our run at the cup this year, Gaborik would definately fit in and help, more than old Sundin! We can find a Lamorillo way under the cap. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 21, 2008 17:57:51 GMT -5
I'm thinking it has to be someone else than Gaborik being considered. Me too ... such as the unification of the Koivu brothers. To which team, I don't know. (Saku has a NTC?) Anyway. Chris Higgins = 1.7 million in cap space and Mikko Koivu is 3.25 million in cap space. Alot easier to make room for the remaining 1.55 million, to get that big center. |
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Post by HabSolute on Oct 22, 2008 8:26:09 GMT -5
I'm thinking it has to be someone else than Gaborik being considered. Me too ... such as the unification of the Koivu brothers. To which team, I don't know. (Saku has a NTC?) Anyway. Chris Higgins = 1.7 million in cap space and Mikko Koivu is 3.25 million in cap space. Alot easier to make room for the remaining 1.55 million, to get that big center. It would be very surprising that Monessota would want to trade Koivu jr. , but we've seen worse. I find it weird that with all these rumor distractions for Higgins, Gainey doesn't come out and put an end to it like he would normally do. And more and more people from the media are starting to questionned his injurie....Not saying he is fully healthy, but how was he 98% ready Sunday and didn't play Monday ? Instead we bring up Chipchura for 1 game when apparently Begin was fine and ready to play (he even expected to play) ? From this morning Cyberpresse: www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/200810/21/01-31554-blessure-de-higgins-on-nage-en-plein-mystere.phpOn nage en plein mystère dans son cas. Non seulement Higgins ne patine pas avec ses coéquipiers, mais il s'est aussi transformé en courant d'air depuis quelques jours. Difficile d'avoir l'heure juste dans son cas.Higgins case is a big mistery. Not only is he not skating with his teammates, but he's nowhere to be found these past few days....Hard to know exactly what's going on in his case"It's probably ALL speculation and media frenzy.... but still, the fact that Gainey hasn't denied anything yet is bizzare. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 22, 2008 9:05:40 GMT -5
Me too ... such as the unification of the Koivu brothers. To which team, I don't know. (Saku has a NTC?) Anyway. Chris Higgins = 1.7 million in cap space and Mikko Koivu is 3.25 million in cap space. Alot easier to make room for the remaining 1.55 million, to get that big center. It would be very surprising that Monessota would want to trade Koivu jr. , but we've seen worse. I find it weird that with all these rumor distractions for Higgins, Gainey doesn't come out and put an end to it like he would normally do. And more and more people from the media are starting to questionned his injurie....Not saying he is fully healthy, but how was he 98% ready Sunday and didn't play Monday ? Instead we bring up Chipchura for 1 game when apparently Begin was fine and ready to play (he even expected to play) ? From this morning Cyberpresse: www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/200810/21/01-31554-blessure-de-higgins-on-nage-en-plein-mystere.phpOn nage en plein mystère dans son cas. Non seulement Higgins ne patine pas avec ses coéquipiers, mais il s'est aussi transformé en courant d'air depuis quelques jours. Difficile d'avoir l'heure juste dans son cas.Higgins case is a big mistery. Not only is he not skating with his teammates, but he's nowhere to be found these past few days....Hard to know exactly what's going on in his case"It's probably ALL speculation and media frenzy.... but still, the fact that Gainey hasn't denied anything yet is bizzare. Have you stopped beating your wife? Answer yes; you're guilty. Answer no; you're guilty. Deny, confirm, ignore. Gainey can't waste time addressing every rumor that Eklund & Co. dream up. |
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Post by clear observer on Oct 22, 2008 9:53:18 GMT -5
Gainey can't waste time addressing every rumor that Eklund & Co. dream up. Hey! I haven't said "boo" to ANYONE. |
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Post by jkr on Oct 22, 2008 14:11:10 GMT -5
It would be very surprising that Monessota would want to trade Koivu jr. , but we've seen worse. I find it weird that with all these rumor distractions for Higgins, Gainey doesn't come out and put an end to it like he would normally do. And more and more people from the media are starting to questionned his injurie....Not saying he is fully healthy, but how was he 98% ready Sunday and didn't play Monday ? Instead we bring up Chipchura for 1 game when apparently Begin was fine and ready to play (he even expected to play) ? From this morning Cyberpresse: www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/200810/21/01-31554-blessure-de-higgins-on-nage-en-plein-mystere.phpOn nage en plein mystère dans son cas. Non seulement Higgins ne patine pas avec ses coéquipiers, mais il s'est aussi transformé en courant d'air depuis quelques jours. Difficile d'avoir l'heure juste dans son cas.Higgins case is a big mistery. Not only is he not skating with his teammates, but he's nowhere to be found these past few days....Hard to know exactly what's going on in his case"It's probably ALL speculation and media frenzy.... but still, the fact that Gainey hasn't denied anything yet is bizzare. Gainey can't waste time addressing every rumor that Eklund & Co. dream up. I'll take that job. It would keep me busy year round. No, we haven't talked to Minnesota about Gaborik No, we haven't talked to Sn Jose about Marleau etc. etc.  |
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Post by HFTO on Oct 22, 2008 17:02:13 GMT -5
Minny would ask for the sky involving a 1st rounder McDonnaugh and probably a Kostitsyn brother why would they ask for anything less at this time of year.
Higgins plus Halak and a 1st is a pipe dream IMO.
This scenario will have to be waited out to back Minny up, right now the asking price would be the moon.
HFTO
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 22, 2008 17:53:26 GMT -5
...in a sea of playmaking players, a finisher like Gaborik would make sense. Higgins seems like a hefty price for a 1yr rental though... Higgins for a Cup? I'd do it. Higgins for a greater chance at a Cup? I'd still do it. Higgins for a 50/50 shot at a Cup? I'd be having second thoughts. But I think Gaborik takes us past the 50-50 mark. I'd still wait . . . if the team is gelling why break chemistry? You got me thinking Franko. Last night I came within 10 minutes of winning a Stanley Cup ring on the ClassicAuctions. It was a Jacques Laperriere ring and I had the high bid until the end. It remended me that it's all about the cup or nothing. No Prince of Wales, no Adams or Eastern Conference, no close like in horseshoes and handgrenades. It's the cup or nothing. I came close, but today I have nothing. Last year we came closer to the cup than Toronto did. No ring for that. If Gaborik and his journeyman 70 points put us over the top, it's worth it. Kovalev will be older next year. It happens to all of us. In two years, Kostitsyn could be great or he could be out of the league with a concussion. In the age of free agency, a dynasty is almost impossible. Detroit, Tampa Bay, Mighty Ducks, Pittsburg; the Canadiens 5 in a row is safe! |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 22, 2008 18:00:03 GMT -5
Minny would ask for the sky involving a 1st rounder McDonnaugh and probably a Kostitsyn brother why would they ask for anything less at this time of year. Higgins plus Halak and a 1st is a pipe dream IMO. This scenario will have to be waited out to back Minny up, right now the asking price would be the moon. HFTO Last year there were a lot of teams that needed goaltending, but how much did we get for Huet. How much did Boston get for Manny Ramirez. When you have to unload an unhappy player you get less than full value. Today a double latte costs more than a share of Ford Motor Company because everyone is dumping shares. An unsigned UFA is a rental not a purchase. |
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Post by franko on Oct 24, 2008 5:59:13 GMT -5
Gainey: "We haven't looked at Gaborik". Which is good -- Gaborik doesn't address our need: Not just bodies playing the defensive position . . . but a solid d-man that can [sigh] pass tape to tape/move the puck out of the zone confidently, take the man in front of the net out, etc etc etc . . . the d-man that we need is not a number 7 "one more year in a Habs uni" guy, Bob. We've got the O. We've got the G. We just need . . . [and Gaborik-taking-lessons-from-Yashin is not who we need] |
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Post by Manton on Oct 24, 2008 12:35:01 GMT -5
I don't know guys, how much offense is enough when you can never have enough defence. I think we need another top 4 D-man to be serious cup contenders this year. I didn't like the way Florida skated rings around us though part of that may have been the Habs not being as up for that game as they should have.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 24, 2008 14:02:34 GMT -5
While I'm not one to turn down a top 4 defenseman, it should be remembered that we have some pretty decent players back there right now. If we're getting a lot of shots against and we're not coming out of our own end very well, you have to look at the system and the discipline. Our coaches need to work at that....the talent is there. Maybe the forwards take off too early, perhaps players don't make it easy enough for the puck carrier, whatever...it's an area that needs improving. Another top 4 d-man, with the same system and execution of that system, is not going to improve those faults.
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Post by jkr on Oct 25, 2008 9:31:40 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Oct 25, 2008 13:21:05 GMT -5
While I'm not one to turn down a top 4 defenseman, it should be remembered that we have some pretty decent players back there right now. If we're getting a lot of shots against and we're not coming out of our own end very well, you have to look at the system and the discipline. Our coaches need to work at that....the talent is there. Maybe the forwards take off too early, perhaps players don't make it easy enough for the puck carrier, whatever...it's an area that needs improving. Another top 4 d-man, with the same system and execution of that system, is not going to improve those faults. True, 17 . . . we have decent . . . but it wouldn't hurt to be more than decent. And you are right, it also wouldn't hurt for the forwards to be a little closer to the puck when the d-man tries to make a pass [see: Wings]. A little tweak and a big man who plays d well . . . and I'm a happy franko. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Oct 25, 2008 14:42:42 GMT -5
According to this article McDonagh doesn't mind hearing the trade talk to sends him to Minnesota which happens to be his hometown. quote: Being mentioned in rumors about a possible trade of Marian Gaborik by the Wild was another mind-blowing moment this week for Ryan McDonagh. McDonagh, a sophomore defenseman for the University of Wisconsin who was a first-round NHL draft pick of the Montreal Canadiens two years ago, has been cited as one possible ingredient in a possible trade of Gaborik to the Canadiens. "It's exciting to hear, and it's exciting for my family and friends back in Minnesota to hear," he said after a practice this week as Wisconsin prepared for games against the Gophers tonight and Saturday at the Kohl Center. "No question, any time your name's getting tossed around in the NHL, it's pretty impressive." Until the current talk, there were few bigger moments for McDonagh than that summer day in 2007 when he was drafted 12th overall by the Canadiens, "a day I'll never forget," he said. With Montreal's storied NHL tradition, it's a good place for a hockey player, he said. "That's all they talk about is hockey. Kind of like Minnesota." www.twincities.com/ci_10799473?nclick_check=1 |
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Post by clear observer on Oct 25, 2008 17:25:52 GMT -5
" ....kind of like Minnesota." Nuh uh...sorry Ryan. There ain't nuthin' like hockey in Montreal. Not even "kind of". |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 26, 2008 0:41:39 GMT -5
Trade him, he's already got half a Wild skate on. I want absolute loyalty...none of this half assed variety.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 26, 2008 1:14:08 GMT -5
Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, didn't they teach you anything about media preparation at the development camp? Treat every interviewer as if they are from 110%! We Habs fans don't just talk about hockey, we breathe the darn thing. We are all knowing. All surfing. All googling. We see dead people (at least those that used to skate in the Forum).
Don't be saying crazy stuff like comparisons to Minnesota and not expect some sleuth from the Hab fan base to track that comment down. Minor league mistake, rookie.
Twenty lashes. 100 hours of community service serving hot dogs at the Bell Centre. Watch the Rocket movie five times straight without leaving your couch.
You can be molded. Resistance is future. You will be assimilated.
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Post by PTH on Oct 26, 2008 1:19:16 GMT -5
I read his answer as being "cool, I'm important enough that I,m involved in rumours" and not "I'd love to play in Minnesota as a pro", but hey, that's just me...
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Post by jkr on Oct 26, 2008 6:03:02 GMT -5
I read his answer as being "cool, I'm important enough that I,m involved in rumours" and not "I'd love to play in Minnesota as a pro", but hey, that's just me... That's exactly waht I got out of it too. He never said anything about wanting to play for the Wild. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 26, 2008 11:00:25 GMT -5
Between the lines fellas. You don't get excited about being involved in a rumour of going to another team without some good feelings about that other team and some willingness to join that team.
My reply would be more along the lines of "It's flattering because some other team wants you, but my goal is to make the Habs". Same thing, but it doesn't sound so much like he's hoping he goes to Minny. Of course, I only have 30 years of life experience on him. We'll give him a get out of jail free card this time.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 27, 2008 8:40:33 GMT -5
If they trade McDonagh I will be... how shall I put this in polite company...
Disappointed.
Yes, I will be disapppointed. That is what I will be.
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Post by franko on Oct 27, 2008 9:33:35 GMT -5
Methinks you are on the wrong board to imply such |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 27, 2008 9:33:29 GMT -5
If they trade McDonagh I will be... how shall I put this in polite company... Disappointed. Yes, I will be disapppointed. That is what I will be. You're pretty controlled, BC. Everything I read on this guy, every comment on this guy ... is all positive. Apparently, this guy's potential is ... out of this world. And from what I hear he's a leader too. Wish I could see him play. These Gaborik rumours just won't go away, the salary cap and the UFA issues not withstanding. They just don't make any sense at all. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 28, 2008 6:56:07 GMT -5
I read his answer as being "cool, I'm important enough that I,m involved in rumours" and not "I'd love to play in Minnesota as a pro", but hey, that's just me... I did too .. until he tossed in that his friends and family are excited and he is too .... kinda of left me with the feeling that he would welcome the chance to play in front of friends and family. Be easier on them ...yadda yadda yadda |
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