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Post by franko on Apr 5, 2009 7:02:48 GMT -5
Ah, but he has it right now . . . and once you've figured it out . . .
Though I'm with Anardil1 . . . although halfway through the year if he's still wtih TBay I can hear the rumours and the hopes: "Vinny is thinking of forgetting about the NTC".
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Post by Doc Holliday on Apr 5, 2009 11:00:18 GMT -5
. . . although halfway through the year if he's still wtih TBay I can hear the rumours and the hopes: "Vinny is thinking of forgetting about the NTC". Yep. Rumors/hopes of him coming will never die. And quite frankly, as long as such discussion stays within one thread like now, I don,t know why people are so annoyed by it. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Apr 5, 2009 11:08:35 GMT -5
I for one can't wait for July 1st to arrive and end all this nonsense. Sure I'd like very much to finally have the big #1 centre on the roster. I just am a little antsy of the likely overpayment necessary to get him here. Plus he might be damaged goods to boot! Wrist injuries are tricky, especially for talented hockey players. Somehow, like most French superstars from other teams, as soon as they come to Montreal they crash and burn. I wonder how long we'd ask Lecavalier to be traded if he goes through an extended rough patch... The only thing we got in a long time, coming from another team, that ressemble a french star is Tanguay and he's doing pretty fine. Before that, maybe you'd think of Audette, but he was at the end of his carreer and almost got his hands cut off in what should have been a career ending injury for him. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2009 12:03:37 GMT -5
The only thing we got in a long time, coming from another team, that ressemble a french star is Tanguay and he's doing pretty fine. Before that, maybe you'd think of Audette, but he was at the end of his carreer and almost got his hands cut off in what should have been a career ending injury for him. The thing about Tanguay is that expectations on him are not as high, and he's actually doing pretty well. We're expecting him to chip him offensively, and he's doing that. To be honest, he's one of the best forwards we have in regards to making offense (good passing, smart plays, going to the net, etc). |
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Post by franko on Apr 22, 2009 14:00:39 GMT -5
the Ottawa suggestion [hey don't blame me -- I'm just repeating what one . . . um . . . radio guy . . . put forward as Montreal's best solution -- and he is obviously so out of touch that it should easily be ignored quickly . . . but I had a good chuckle]:
Markov, Kovalev, Higgins, AK, [and I think one other] for Vinny and St. Louis.
Two local guys who will make the difference that Montreal needs -- and even if they don't make the playoffs it won't matter .
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Post by roke on Apr 22, 2009 14:25:16 GMT -5
the Ottawa suggestion [hey don't blame me -- I'm just repeating what one . . . um . . . radio guy . . . put forward as Montreal's best solution -- and he is obviously so out of touch that it should easily be ignored quickly . . . but I had a good chuckle]: Markov, Kovalev, Higgins, AK, [and I think one other] for Vinny and St. Louis. Two local guys who will make the difference that Montreal needs -- and even if they don't make the playoffs it won't matter .
Those radio guys apparently haven't been watching the team without Markov, or didn't watch when he was playing... Not to mention, why would Tampa want an UFA? Stupid media. How hard is it to be informed, you get paid to follow sports. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 22, 2009 15:39:44 GMT -5
the Ottawa suggestion [hey don't blame me -- I'm just repeating what one . . . um . . . radio guy . . . put forward as Montreal's best solution -- and he is obviously so out of touch that it should easily be ignored quickly . . . but I had a good chuckle]: Markov, Kovalev, Higgins, AK, [and I think one other] for Vinny and St. Louis. Two local guys who will make the difference that Montreal needs -- and even if they don't make the playoffs it won't matter .
The Skilly suggestion: Price + draft pick Tampa needs defense and goalie. We need center depth witrh size. Taking that contract off their hands is another big benefit to them. Now I am going to get a little ...ok ok ok ALOT loonie. Sign Ray Emery. Yes, that's right, I am not on drugs (whoa, why is the room spinning). Emery would play in the NHL now for $5/hour or whatever the NHL minimum wage is nowadays.  It would be nice to have a guarantee that Emery will leave the baggage home, but the one thing will be certain, he will play with fire, and he sure won't shrug off crease crashers... oh and I almost forgot .... sign Jagr. |
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Post by roke on Apr 22, 2009 16:35:07 GMT -5
the Ottawa suggestion [hey don't blame me -- I'm just repeating what one . . . um . . . radio guy . . . put forward as Montreal's best solution -- and he is obviously so out of touch that it should easily be ignored quickly . . . but I had a good chuckle]: Markov, Kovalev, Higgins, AK, [and I think one other] for Vinny and St. Louis. Two local guys who will make the difference that Montreal needs -- and even if they don't make the playoffs it won't matter .
The Skilly suggestion: Price + draft pick Tampa needs defense and goalie. We need center depth witrh size. Taking that contract off their hands is another big benefit to them. Defense, definitely, they need it. Goaltending... Mike Smith played damn well for them this year. I'm not sold on him yet, but he was a lot better than the other guys they had in goal and put up decent stats considering the team in front of him. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 22, 2009 17:25:36 GMT -5
the Ottawa suggestion [hey don't blame me -- I'm just repeating what one . . . um . . . radio guy . . . put forward as Montreal's best solution -- and he is obviously so out of touch that it should easily be ignored quickly . . . but I had a good chuckle]: Markov, Kovalev, Higgins, AK, [and I think one other] for Vinny and St. Louis. Two local guys who will make the difference that Montreal needs -- and even if they don't make the playoffs it won't matter .
The Skilly suggestion: Price + draft pick Tampa needs defense and goalie. We need center depth witrh size. Taking that contract off their hands is another big benefit to them. Now I am going to get a little ...ok ok ok ALOT loonie. Sign Ray Emery. Yes, that's right, I am not on drugs (whoa, why is the room spinning). Emery would play in the NHL now for $5/hour or whatever the NHL minimum wage is nowadays. It would be nice to have a guarantee that Emery will leave the baggage home, but the one thing will be certain, he will play with fire, and he sure won't shrug off crease crashers... oh and I almost forgot .... sign Jagr. Boy you are really thinking outside the box. Emery loves the limelight & he would certainly get that in Montreal. I just want to be there when he gets pulled & the trainer tries to make him wear the ball cap. I like your Jagr idea, I liked it when you proposed it before the trade deadline. I can't see him wanting to finish his career in Russia & he is sitting at 1599 career points. That would really bug me.  |
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Post by CrocRob on Apr 22, 2009 20:21:04 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but replacing the current crop of floaters with the ultimate career floater (who wasn't much of a difference-maker in his last season in New York) doesn't seem like a great idea to me...
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Post by Marvin on Apr 22, 2009 22:03:11 GMT -5
I find it amusing how people think that Lecavalier can be had via a trade. Who do you think they'd ask for in return - that's presently SIGNED to a contract? They certainly aren't going to ask for the likes of Komisarek, Pleks, etc. - people that are unsigned.
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Post by Anardil1 on Apr 22, 2009 22:12:06 GMT -5
the Ottawa suggestion [hey don't blame me -- I'm just repeating what one . . . um . . . radio guy . . . put forward as Montreal's best solution -- and he is obviously so out of touch that it should easily be ignored quickly . . . but I had a good chuckle]: Markov, Kovalev, Higgins, AK, [and I think one other] for Vinny and St. Louis. Two local guys who will make the difference that Montreal needs -- and even if they don't make the playoffs it won't matter .
The Skilly suggestion: Price + draft pick Tampa needs defense and goalie. We need center depth witrh size. Taking that contract off their hands is another big benefit to them. Now I am going to get a little ...ok ok ok ALOT loonie. Sign Ray Emery. Yes, that's right, I am not on drugs (whoa, why is the room spinning). Emery would play in the NHL now for $5/hour or whatever the NHL minimum wage is nowadays. It would be nice to have a guarantee that Emery will leave the baggage home, but the one thing will be certain, he will play with fire, and he sure won't shrug off crease crashers... oh and I almost forgot .... sign Jagr. Getting Emery will also solve the enforcer problem the team currently has. He certainly won't send invitations to drop the mitts. ;D |
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Post by CrocRob on Apr 22, 2009 23:04:10 GMT -5
I was thinking about Emery the other day, and thinking it would be a good idea because it would be turning a risky asset (with really no risk) into a commodity to be traded. However, I'm not so sure he'd be worthwhile taking because at this point whatever goalie we go with (and that's singular, we can't do another Price/Halak tandem IMO) needs a veteran backup who's stable and can mentor that one goalie.
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Post by roke on Apr 22, 2009 23:06:21 GMT -5
I was thinking about Emery the other day, and thinking it would be a good idea because it would be turning a risky asset (with really no risk) into a commodity to be traded. However, I'm not so sure he'd be worthwhile taking because at this point whatever goalie we go with (and that's singular, we can't do another Price/Halak tandem IMO) needs a veteran backup who's stable and can mentor that one goalie. If Edmonton chooses not to sign him and no one sees him as a starter (doubtful because of his stellar play), I'd love Roloson in that role. |
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Post by CrocRob on Apr 23, 2009 8:51:57 GMT -5
Okay so apparently Skilly didn't express his full plan for trading Price for Lecavalier and Halak wouldn't be our #1. I'm interested to hear the rest of it. edit: Admittedly my post (which follows, slightly edited and bolded to be more comprehensive of my position) should have been in this thread. I'm just looking for some good natured back-and-forth here Skilly. Let's have a good-natured debate about what kind of goaltending situation we can find under your proposed trade, because Lecavalier isn't going to stop goals from going in. Okay so where I disagree with this is: 1) So we trade Price and get Lecavalier (yay? I'm still not convinced he's great enough to warrant a trade, but let's ignore that for the time being). Now we have to start over with Halak, presumably the #1 in this scenario. He's got to go through the trials and tribulations of getting injured and going through a slump in Montreal, and learn what it takes to win in the postseason. I'm not sure that Lecavalier is so many steps forward that it accounts for the steps backward we take with Halak, who even you have recognized seems to fade when it counts. 2) Tampa Bay just traded a significant player for a goaltender. Remember Brad Richards? Would they really trade a second franchise center for a young goaltender? I doubt it. Truth be told, I don't think Lecavalier is on the trade block, but I'm all for hashing out trade scenarios. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Apr 23, 2009 10:49:05 GMT -5
Who do you think they'd ask for in return . Markov. From Tampa standpoint, he's the only guy of interest in our roster. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 23, 2009 11:46:25 GMT -5
Who do you think they'd ask for in return . Markov. From Tampa standpoint, he's the only guy of interest in our roster. Other names were PJ Stock, Higgins, Gorges. I think those names were cited by Gainey, but they could have been three names in many that were going back and forth. Even heard Plekanec was part of the deal at one point. Can`t see it now though. Cheers. |
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Post by habernac on Apr 23, 2009 12:14:53 GMT -5
PJ Stock? PK Subban maybe?
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Post by ValkyrieNS on Apr 23, 2009 13:01:38 GMT -5
PJ Stock? PK Subban maybe? PJ Stock, YES! Get him off the air [CBC] and back on the ice  PK Subban, stay away from him, I think he has a future with us. We're just teasing ya, Dis |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 23, 2009 14:35:24 GMT -5
PJ Stock? PK Subban maybe? PJ Stock, YES! Get him off the air [CBC] and back on the ice PK Subban, stay away from him, I think he has a future with us. We're just teasing ya, Dis Yeah ... I deserve it ... I was in a hurry at work and started chuckling when I reread it just now. Good one folks ... still chuckling. Cheers. |
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Post by habernac on Apr 23, 2009 14:41:00 GMT -5
I do definitely like the thought of trading Stock far, far away from the Montreal market. How does this clown still have a job? Will CBC hire Avery when his career is done? He's just as big a yapper.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 23, 2009 14:49:31 GMT -5
Who do you think they'd ask for in return . Markov. From Tampa standpoint, he's the only guy of interest in our roster. No way. I think this all depends on how badly TB wants to get out of Vinny's 11-year, $85 million contract. If they do, then I can see a package of players and prospects that doesn't include Markov but may include one of Pacioretty or Latendresse, one of our D prospects (Subban, McDonagh, Fischer), and probably another roster player. Maybe Andrei Kostitsyn could be the centrepiece of such a deal, but if that's the case I don't add Lats or MaxPac. At a minimum TB would need to walk away from the trade believing they got some young building blocks in return. We can't just expect to pawn them off with the likes Higgins, Plekanec, or SKost. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 23, 2009 17:06:48 GMT -5
Tampa Bay is in dire straits .... right now they have 2 defensemen under contract (Meszaros and Ranger). They have close on 39 million commited to 12 players.
So they lack serious depth in forward after Lacavalier/St. Louis. Stamkos is not going to carry the load. They will in all liklihood draft Hedman. So that will eat up another 0.875 and they will need to sign 4 defensemen , a goalie (Ramo is RFA) and a little forward depth. 8 players, and if the cap drop to 54 million or so ....only 14-15 million to sign them.
They may need to trade Lecavalier to free up enough money to make the team competitive. Gainey so much as said that Tampa was seriously considering their January offer of Higgins/Plekanec/Gorges. If Price doesn't get it done I'd revisit those players and toss in a draft pick
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 23, 2009 17:40:03 GMT -5
I think the Lecavalier thing is done. Over. Finished with. Pointe finale. Brian Lawton has already come out and said he isn't going to trade Lecavalier, and while we all know what they did with Dan Boyle there is a big difference; rumours of Dan Boyle's possible trade did not spark an impending season-ticket and sponsor revolt.
The Lightning would actually lose money were they to trade away Lecavalier. They'd have less season ticket holders, and less advertising money. Not too mention do you-know-what to whatever credibility they may have left.
If the Lightning are having cap issues they should put Marty St. Louis on the block. They'd shave $5.2 million off their cap, which is significant for them, but not overly big that no other team could swallow it. It's only for two more years, and better yet the actual dollar amounts are for only $4 million per year. So while your cap hit is higher, the actual money you're shedding out would be smaller.
St. Louis had 80 points last year. I'm sure they would have no problems getting at least Plekanec and Higgins type offers from around the league. That would fill out their roster, and save them money... Heck, might even make them a better team...
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Post by CrocRob on Apr 23, 2009 17:48:24 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the rumoured deal was Higgins, Plekanec, Gorges, 1st '09 and PK Subban, but don't quote me on that.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 23, 2009 17:51:07 GMT -5
Markov. From Tampa standpoint, he's the only guy of interest in our roster. No way. I think this all depends on how badly TB wants to get out of Vinny's 11-year, $85 million contract. If they do, then I can see a package of players and prospects that doesn't include Markov but may include one of Pacioretty or Latendresse, one of our D prospects (Subban, McDonagh, Fischer), and probably another roster player. Maybe Andrei Kostitsyn could be the centrepiece of such a deal, but if that's the case I don't add Lats or MaxPac. At a minimum TB would need to walk away from the trade believing they got some young building blocks in return. We can't just expect to pawn them off with the likes Higgins, Plekanec, or SKost. I think Brian Lawton burned any bridge of Vinny coming to Montreal, BH. You probably already know by now, but Bob Gainey fingered Lawton for a breach of confidentiality. Lawton made the names of the players Montreal was offering to several other teams around the league in hopes of getting a better deal. It's too bad really. Given the underhandedness of Lawton, Vinny was in the sights but was never going to come here. That's Gainey's side anyway. And I'd tend to believe him; he seems to be a stand-up kind of guy. Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 23, 2009 18:14:01 GMT -5
No way. I think this all depends on how badly TB wants to get out of Vinny's 11-year, $85 million contract. If they do, then I can see a package of players and prospects that doesn't include Markov but may include one of Pacioretty or Latendresse, one of our D prospects (Subban, McDonagh, Fischer), and probably another roster player. Maybe Andrei Kostitsyn could be the centrepiece of such a deal, but if that's the case I don't add Lats or MaxPac. At a minimum TB would need to walk away from the trade believing they got some young building blocks in return. We can't just expect to pawn them off with the likes Higgins, Plekanec, or SKost. I think Brian Lawton burned any bridge of Vinny coming to Montreal, BH. You probably already know by now, but Bob Gainey fingered Lawton for a breach of confidentiality. Lawton made the names of the players Montreal was offering to several other teams around the league in hopes of getting a better deal. It's too bad really. Given the underhandedness of Lawton, Vinny was in the sights but was never going to come here. That's Gainey's side anyway. And I'd tend to believe him; he seems to be a stand-up kind of guy. Cheers. Whose going to trust lawton now? He's been exposed as untrustworthy. What an idiot. |
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Post by franko on Apr 23, 2009 21:03:25 GMT -5
The Lightning would actually lose money were they to trade away Lecavalier. They'd have less season ticket holders, and less advertising money. The Lightning have season ticket holders? Whodathunk! |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 24, 2009 11:42:54 GMT -5
I think the Lecavalier thing is done. Over. Finished with. Pointe finale. Brian Lawton has already come out and said he isn't going to trade Lecavalier, and while we all know what they did with Dan Boyle there is a big difference; rumours of Dan Boyle's possible trade did not spark an impending season-ticket and sponsor revolt. The Lightning would actually lose money were they to trade away Lecavalier. They'd have less season ticket holders, and less advertising money. Not too mention do you-know-what to whatever credibility they may have left. If the Lightning are having cap issues they should put Marty St. Louis on the block. They'd shave $5.2 million off their cap, which is significant for them, but not overly big that no other team could swallow it. It's only for two more years, and better yet the actual dollar amounts are for only $4 million per year. So while your cap hit is higher, the actual money you're shedding out would be smaller. St. Louis had 80 points last year. I'm sure they would have no problems getting at least Plekanec and Higgins type offers from around the league. That would fill out their roster, and save them money... Heck, might even make them a better team... This is also an arguement for why you should keep St. Louis. Keep your cap number high, but your payroll low and thereby qualify for revenue sharing with a bottom of the barrell payroll.... |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 24, 2009 13:10:16 GMT -5
I think the Lecavalier thing is done. Over. Finished with. Pointe finale. Brian Lawton has already come out and said he isn't going to trade Lecavalier, and while we all know what they did with Dan Boyle there is a big difference; rumours of Dan Boyle's possible trade did not spark an impending season-ticket and sponsor revolt. The Lightning would actually lose money were they to trade away Lecavalier. They'd have less season ticket holders, and less advertising money. Not too mention do you-know-what to whatever credibility they may have left. If the Lightning are having cap issues they should put Marty St. Louis on the block. They'd shave $5.2 million off their cap, which is significant for them, but not overly big that no other team could swallow it. It's only for two more years, and better yet the actual dollar amounts are for only $4 million per year. So while your cap hit is higher, the actual money you're shedding out would be smaller. St. Louis had 80 points last year. I'm sure they would have no problems getting at least Plekanec and Higgins type offers from around the league. That would fill out their roster, and save them money... Heck, might even make them a better team... This is also an arguement for why you should keep St. Louis. Keep your cap number high, but your payroll low and thereby qualify for revenue sharing with a bottom of the barrell payroll.... Lecavalier is under contract for a few years. If Lecavaliers name was Lecavalov, how many pages of posts would there be on trading him to Montreal. |
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