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Post by Patty Roy on Jun 5, 2009 10:03:12 GMT -5
Really i only see LA as a team that can realistically outbid Montreal for LeCavalier.
Edmonton and Colorado will most likely be in the mix, however i think we can beat either one. I dont see Atlanta or Colorado giving up a top 5 pick in this years very strong draft as part of a package for LeCavalier.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 5, 2009 13:07:18 GMT -5
While we might not have a Jack Johnson (who's good but is a contractual headach and is apparently already seeking a 5mil contract...) to offer, guys like McDonnagh, Subban, Pacioretty are pretty highly touted prospects... SK, despite his last season drop, still must be considered a guy with very good potential, heck AK remains a young player with 30+ goals potential and not too long ago, Crhis Higgins was the main player Atlanta wanted for Marian Hossa. We might not have a franchise player to give but I think we can provide quite a good mix of great prospects. Well, as this poster I know is fond of saying, you can't get a battleship with a bunch of rowboats... Subban, McDonagh and Pacioretty are all indeed highly thought of prospects, but outside of Montreal few people consider them to be elite. In other words, a team that is rich in prospect depth like the Kings could easily match our Subban, McDonagh and Pacioretty with their own versions. Higgins and Plekanec... well, I guess it depends on whether the bloom is off of those guys. I think it is, but that's just me... Plus there is this cap thing... The Kings would be at about 50mil of cap space by taking Vinny's contract. I ask again, when you have Anze Kopitar on board, why would you seek Lecavalier? They know they'd be handcuffed for years to come, especially with the cap droping. The Kings are actually in great cap shape, even if they were to take on Vinny. Like you said, they would be at about $50 million, but the thing with them is that they have virtually NOBODY due for a contract raise either this season OR next season. Only Alexander Frolov is coming up on UFA next year, and he's already making $4 million... so even if they lose him they'd still have room to take on a semi-adequate replacement. The only significant RFA they have is the aforementioned Jack Johnson, who they would be trading away. And that's it. Everybody else is signed not only for next year, but for the year after as well. They could get Vinny, and even if the cap drops to $48 million still be in excellent shape to retain everyone. Heck, they'd simply have to let the 90 year old Sean O'Donnell and his $1.25 million contract go (he'd be a UFA) and they'd be fine. Similar situation in Colorado, they would be at about 50mil as well with Vinny and they still have to sign an NHL goalie. They have Statsny as their rising star center, again, why do you need Vinny. In both cases, Viiny's contract would a burden that would greatly limit any further improvement and all they'd have achieved is improve an area (centerline) that in both cases can be improved with much cheaper options (ie, a second line center). I think that these playoffs have proven that you need two very good, if not elite centers, to make it far. Crosby and Plekanec won't take you far... Crosby and Malkin? Zetterberg and Datsyuk? How good would a Kopitar AND Lecavalier team be? Really i only see LA as a team that can realistically outbid Montreal for LeCavalier. Edmonton and Colorado will most likely be in the mix, however i think we can beat either one. I dont see Atlanta or Colorado giving up a top 5 pick in this years very strong draft as part of a package for LeCavalier. I don't see Edmonton having the cap space, nor the package to get a Lecavalier deal done, no matter how much they try to claim that they do. Atlanta, I agree, probably won't give up the pick, especially given the mess their ownership is currently in. But I was impressed with the way they played down the stretch last year, and like I said, if they want any hope of keeping Kovalchouk around (and perhaps saving the franchise) they are going to have to give him something to work with. But I also doubt Tampa would trade him in their division like that unless they included that top pick. Colorado I only included because they have that pick, and because Lacroix once tried to trade four first round picks for Lecavalier (also in a very good draft year), and I wondered if he still had the desire to get him. He has a big enough ego to try, and he does have that very enticing first round pick to play with... His moves over the last couple of years have backfired, he's currenly being slammed for his handling of the Roy/Granato situation, and he has a waning fan base, for the first time in the history of that franchise. If things go sour this year he could be on the curb before all is said and done... so I thought he might be tempted into making a big splash somehow... |
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Post by jkr on Jun 5, 2009 15:14:59 GMT -5
[I think that these playoffs have proven that you need two very good, if not elite centers, to make it far. Crosby and Plekanec won't take you far... Crosby and Malkin? Zetterberg and Datsyuk? How good would a Kopitar AND Lecavalier team be? And if you want to go back a little further - Sakic & Forsberg. It's a formula for success that Montreal hasn't had for a long time. |
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Post by HFTO on Jun 5, 2009 17:42:51 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see what Tampa does ?
From the information I've seen .....they having to spend to the floor(40.5 million) already are committed to 38 million for 17 players.
Given the type of player supposedly a d man that they want in return it's going to cost them an additional 5-6 million so they will still have to dump significantly to keep them in line.
They aren't the only team that has to dump so if it's not Vinny lets hope the Habs finally hold true and get that player or players that'll keep this thing going forward.
Should they fail and this team drops off, Gaineys tenure will go down as a big failure and this once proud team will surely be doomed and beheading into it's second decade of mediocrity.
They can't F this off season up IMO.
HFTO
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Post by seventeen on Jun 6, 2009 0:12:58 GMT -5
Colorado I only included because they have that pick, and because Lacroix once tried to trade four first round picks for Lecavalier (also in a very good draft year), and I wondered if he still had the desire to get him. He has a big enough ego to try, and he does have that very enticing first round pick to play with... His moves over the last couple of years have backfired, he's currenly being slammed for his handling of the Roy/Granato situation, and he has a waning fan base, for the first time in the history of that franchise. If things go sour this year he could be on the curb before all is said and done... so I thought he might be tempted into making a big splash somehow... You're assuming, I assume, that Lacroix is still calling the shots as president, even though he has a new GM, Greg Sherman, who has basically been a contracts guy. Yeah, I think Lacroix is still calling the shots. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 8, 2009 11:20:34 GMT -5
...to fuel the rumor mill, apparently team 990 reported that Lecavalier bought a house in Brossard (near the next HABS practice facility). A little odd for someone who could be leaving to L.A....
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Post by CrocRob on Jun 8, 2009 12:46:33 GMT -5
Pretty sure Vinny spends his summers in Montreal.
In fact, with the regularity that people on HF seem to claim to have seen him, I'd think that's quite likely.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 8, 2009 13:14:08 GMT -5
Pretty sure Vinny spends his summers in Montreal. In fact, with the regularity that people on HF seem to claim to have seen him, I'd think that's quite likely. ...but he already has a condo on l'ile Bizarre... (I know, I know, player's rumored home transactions is not really hot news (to say the least)... but what can you do, it's a slow news day... Promise I won't post anything 'bout his eating habits though...  ) |
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Post by gy on Jun 11, 2009 21:32:02 GMT -5
Ah, Florida in July, where you stop playing tennis before 11 a.m. and golf at noon.
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Post by franko on Jun 11, 2009 21:44:04 GMT -5
I'm going to be in TBay in a coupla weeks -- should I stop in on him and have a chat [maybe I can take the Kots brothers "friend" along with me to give a bit of encouragement].
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Post by seventeen on Jun 11, 2009 22:09:21 GMT -5
Take HA along too, as he's much more persuasive.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 12, 2009 8:10:11 GMT -5
I'm going to be in TBay in a coupla weeks -- should I stop in on him and have a chat [maybe I can take the Kots brothers "friend" along with me to give a bit of encouragement]. Alas, he ain't in Tampa at the moment... Friend of mine saw him on St. Jean' Boulevard yesterday, driving a red Ferrari, convertible (top down, of course). St. Jean's Blvd, for the non-locals, is the road you take to get to Ile Bizard... It would be SO much easier for us if he would just post here, to let us know what he is doing on a day-to-day basis. I think I'll call him up and ask him to do just that... |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 12, 2009 11:13:30 GMT -5
I'm going to be in TBay in a coupla weeks -- should I stop in on him and have a chat [maybe I can take the Kots brothers "friend" along with me to give a bit of encouragement]. Alas, he ain't in Tampa at the moment... Friend of mine saw him on St. Jean' Boulevard yesterday, driving a red Ferrari, convertible (top down, of course). St. Jean's Blvd, for the non-locals, is the road you take to get to Ile Bizard... It would be SO much easier for us if he would just post here, to let us know what he is doing on a day-to-day basis. I think I'll call him up and ask him to do just that... Instead of Vinny, if you could get Bob to update us on a daily basis on all his priorities, it would be nice. Do you still have his cell number? Has the restraining order been lifted since the...you know... incident?... |
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Post by jkr on Jun 12, 2009 11:17:39 GMT -5
I'm going to be in TBay in a coupla weeks -- should I stop in on him and have a chat [maybe I can take the Kots brothers "friend" along with me to give a bit of encouragement]. Alas, he ain't in Tampa at the moment... Friend of mine saw him on St. Jean' Boulevard yesterday, driving a red Ferrari, convertible (top down, of course). St. Jean's Blvd, for the non-locals, is the road you take to get to Ile Bizard... Are you sure that wasn't CO in his red Trans Am - you know - the one with the golden eagle on the hood? Or you could have used your police contacts to run the plates. You are familiar with the police in town aren't you?  |
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Post by The New Guy on Jun 12, 2009 12:34:04 GMT -5
Alas, he ain't in Tampa at the moment... Friend of mine saw him on St. Jean' Boulevard yesterday, driving a red Ferrari, convertible (top down, of course). St. Jean's Blvd, for the non-locals, is the road you take to get to Ile Bizard... Are you sure that wasn't CO in his red Trans Am - you know - the one with the golden eagle on the hood? Or you could have used your police contacts to run the plates. You are familiar with the police in town aren't you? I would think given BC's certain... type... of familiarity with the local police that they would be less inclined to help him out. |
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Post by HFTO on Jun 12, 2009 17:35:51 GMT -5
Want to fuel the Vinny to the Habs even more..if the trade of Jack Johnson and the 5th overall pick to Anaheim are true that essentially takes the Kings the assumed front runner out of the picture.With this deal you'd have to assume they'll go after Gaborik via the UFA route to get there name centre.
HFTO
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Post by roke on Jun 12, 2009 17:49:20 GMT -5
Want to fuel the Vinny to the Habs even more..if the trade of Jack Johnson and the 5th overall pick to Anaheim are true that essentially takes the Kings the assumed front runner out of the picture.With this deal you'd have to assume they'll go after Gaborik via the UFA route to get there name centre. HFTO Agreed HFTO, I don't see them making 2 deals to get 2 big stars. Gaborik is a winger though, but he would go pretty nice on Kopitar's wing. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 12, 2009 23:24:47 GMT -5
Bob, git 'er done and get us out of our mid-summer misery.
Oh, and go out and get Beauchemin back in a few weeks too please.
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Post by Anardil1 on Jun 13, 2009 2:40:12 GMT -5
Bob, git 'er done and get us out of our mid-summer misery. Oh, and go out and get Beauchemin back in a few weeks too please. If the rumoured Pronger to the Kings happens, cap space opens up enough to probably fit Beauchemin, with room to spare. |
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Post by franko on Jun 13, 2009 7:50:28 GMT -5
Bob, git 'er done and get us out of our mid-summer misery. Now that the hockey season is over the silly season can begin. |
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Post by gy on Jun 13, 2009 14:03:21 GMT -5
Bob, git 'er done and get us out of our mid-summer misery. Now that the hockey season is over the silly season can begin. It began long, long before the playoffs started. Look at the archives. |
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Post by franko on Jun 13, 2009 19:03:32 GMT -5
Now that the hockey season is over the silly season can begin. It began long, long before the playoffs started. Look at the archives. I didn't mean this board, I mean the ridiculous amount of money about to be thrown around |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 14, 2009 10:47:50 GMT -5
Interesting artcle by the G&M rating the 10 worst contracts.... Quote: 8. Vincent Lecavalier, Tampa: Lecavalier differs from others on this list because he continues to play at an elite level, even last year when he was hampered all season by a bad wrist. The problem: An 11-year contract that kicks in on July 1, in which the first seven years pay him $10-million per season before steadily declining as it winds down (to $8.5, $4, $1.5 and $1-million). At 29, and with 10 full seasons under his belt, can Lecavalier deliver $10-million worth of production for the next seven years? End quote/ .....and look at who is #6 our good friend Briere.......... to think we offered him more money to come here. I think we dodged a bullet on that one. www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/bad-deals-handicap-clubs/article1180081/ |
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Post by PTH on Jun 14, 2009 11:42:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, Jazzyjay - very interesting....
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Post by jkr on Jun 14, 2009 16:49:27 GMT -5
Interesting artcle by the G&M rating the 10 worst contracts.... Quote: 8. Vincent Lecavalier, Tampa: Lecavalier differs from others on this list because he continues to play at an elite level, even last year when he was hampered all season by a bad wrist. The problem: An 11-year contract that kicks in on July 1, in which the first seven years pay him $10-million per season before steadily declining as it winds down (to $8.5, $4, $1.5 and $1-million). At 29, and with 10 full seasons under his belt, can Lecavalier deliver $10-million worth of production for the next seven years? End quote/ .....and look at who is #6 our good friend Briere.......... to think we offered him more money to come here. I think we dodged a bullet on that one. www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/bad-deals-handicap-clubs/article1180081/Giguere only has 2 years left & an excellent track record. I wouldn't put it on this list. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 14, 2009 23:02:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure I want Lecavallier at $10,000,000 per year. Just as it hurts the Tampa cap, it would limit our ability to further improve the team.
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Post by Rhiessan on Jun 17, 2009 13:35:44 GMT -5
I'm not sure I want Lecavallier at $10,000,000 per year. Just as it hurts the Tampa cap, it would limit our ability to further improve the team. The cap hit is a lil over 7mill because of the structure of his contract. Last couple years he gets a lot less and the cap hit is based on the average overall contract amount over its' length not what it is in paticular year or so i've been led to believe from various sources. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 17, 2009 14:28:18 GMT -5
I'm not sure I want Lecavallier at $10,000,000 per year. Just as it hurts the Tampa cap, it would limit our ability to further improve the team. try www.nhlnumbers.com I find it a good site for providing info on things like contract length & cap hit. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jun 17, 2009 16:11:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure I want Lecavallier at $10,000,000 per year. Just as it hurts the Tampa cap, it would limit our ability to further improve the team. try www.nhlnumbers.com I find it a good site for providing info on things like contract length & cap hit. So his cap hit is going to be 7.727mil or is that his expiring contract???  |
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Post by roke on Jun 17, 2009 17:13:23 GMT -5
try www.nhlnumbers.com I find it a good site for providing info on things like contract length & cap hit. So his cap hit is going to be 7.727mil or is that his expiring contract??? $7.727 will be his cap hit beginning next season (well, July 1). His cap hit this past season was $6.875m |
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