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Post by blny on Jan 19, 2010 14:46:38 GMT -5
Internet rumors have the Rangers interested in Vinny: Matt Gilroy, Wade Redden and one of Brandon Dubinsky or Ryan Callahan for Lecavalier. An interesting exercise I always do and then see if the numbers work is "what is Montreal's comparable offer". This rumour has a young defenseman, a verteran on the downcline, and a young second/third line forward who is a spark plug with some scoring touch. So, to me that is similar (ok guys, make your own comparisons before you tear mine apart ..  ) , maybe not perfect, but similar to Ryan O'Byrne, Roman Hamrlik, and Maxim Lapierre. Now does it work? For this year ... we are subracting 7.13 million of cap space and adding 7.727 cap space. Every website I go to seem to indicate that we have more than enough to cover the 600k difference. So yes, it works for this year. Now, do we handcuff ourselves for other years? Yeah, it will be tight, but it will be very doable too. This offseason is going to see Bob make alot of decisions. Halak in all likelihood will be gone. RFAs = S.Kosty, Pouliot, D'agositini, Price UFAs = Plekanec, Metropolit, Mara, Bergeron It is safe to save, most of them will be gone. I can see us re-signing Pouliot and Price. Then some interesting decisions will have to made .... and the first one Bob has to answer is "can we fit Plekanec on this team at 4 million?" Pouliot (?) - Vinny (7.727) - Patches (0.875) Gionta (5.00) - Gomez (7.357) - Cammy (6.00) S.Kosty (?) - Plekanec (?)- A.Kosty (3.25) Moen (1.5) - Metro (?) - Laraque (1.5) Would Metro resign for 1 million? If he doesn't we fill his role with Ryan White or D'agostini and use Moen as a center. Will Bob not break the bank on S. Kosty and give him a minimal raise to 1 million? And how much does of a raise does he give the unknown potential of Pouliot? 1.5? which is double what he gets now. The defense as you would figure gets the most overhaul ... please note these arent the pairings, just what we have signed next year. Markov (5.75) - Spacek (3.833) Gorges (1.1) - Gill (2.25) We have Carle, Weber, and Subban in the wings ... none of which will raise the cap more than it is at present. In fact they would lower it. We could even re-sign Bergeron at his current 750k ... he isnt likely to have many takers. For fun, let's insert Subban and Weber both at 0.800. Thats 14.5 million dollars on defense. Above it is 36.7 on forwards (not counting Plekanec). Price doesn't get any bonuses next year, so I am going to assume Bob will offer him 2.2 million and our back-up could be Desjardins (or insert the clear cut back up of your choice) at 0.8 (or less). All this to say we have spent 54.2 million and need a third line center (and I have no idea of what the cap is going to be). It's 58 million now isn't it? ... So it is possible , if the right choices (D'agostini currently gets 0.5k so if we sign him at 0.8K instead of Metro or Laraque for instance) and the firm salaries are handed out to do it IMO ... barely I admit Lots of good points there. I've said before there IS room to add Vinny if Bob gets a little creative. It makes us super thin on the back end though. I'm not sure there would be enough goals added to the line up to make up for the massive increase in GAA. Like Redscull, I'm not really interested in VL. Do I think he could rebound in Montreal? Yeah. Do I want that contract either way? Not really. If we're going to break the bank on forwards, and skimp on the blue line, I'd prefer we spent the money on an elite sniper to pair with either Gomez and Gionta or Pleks (if re-signed) and Cammalleri. |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 19, 2010 16:47:41 GMT -5
The big questions are(assuming it would be doable): What is Vinnie's frame of mind?
Would he have the desire to be king of Montreal....the drive to propel the team back to glory? The shoulders to carry the criticism in the first few years, if things don't go smoothly?
He's already won a Cup and has more money than he knows how to spend.....
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Post by Skilly on Jan 19, 2010 16:55:23 GMT -5
If we're going to break the bank on forwards, and skimp on the blue line, I'd prefer we spent the money on an elite sniper to pair with either Gomez and Gionta or Pleks (if re-signed) and Cammalleri. Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating to make yet another attempt at swaying Vinny here, all I am saying is that it is doable ... for now and the next few years when we are presumably "handcuffed" because of Gomez's contract. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You got to admit though Pouliot - Vinny- Patches Gionta - Gomez - Cammy S.Kosty - Plekanec - A.Kosty That would be the best forward corp we had here in years!!! We have tried the defense way, but it would appear our management dont know what good defensemen look like, I'd like to see if we can get those furry lines!! |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 19, 2010 20:11:00 GMT -5
That would certainly give the opposition someone on every line to worry about....and hedge against lack of depth if injuries occur.
BTW...I heard a pundit on the radio today talking about impending UFAs....and he said that Pleks (if he keeps up his play) will likely be looking for $5 mill/5 years.
But, he added, Plekanec is a very iffy signing...as you don't really know that he'll keep up the good play once such a contract is received.
If he's asking for that kind of money....I can't see having Gomez, Pleks, and Vinnie.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 20, 2010 0:16:33 GMT -5
We trade Pleks, we trade Hammer, we pick up some picks for this year. We tough it out for 2 more years and start getting better after that. (Assuming we have a new GM of course)
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Post by franko on Jan 20, 2010 6:55:38 GMT -5
and Vinny gets 2 years older, 2 years slower, and we still have his albatros of a contract to deal with.
nope, my vote hasn't changed.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 20, 2010 9:56:03 GMT -5
BTW...I heard a pundit on the radio today talking about impending UFAs....and he said that Pleks (if he keeps up his play) will likely be looking for $5 mill/5 years. I heard someone on the Fan 590, someone on Bob McCown's show, say that probably the best UFA in this year's crop will be Plekanec so teams better not think they can rebuild through UFAs this year. Maybe the lack of good UFAs is why people think Plekanec may be able to ask for that kind of money? |
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Post by blny on Jan 20, 2010 11:10:39 GMT -5
Were they forgetting about Kovalchuk? It's more and more apparent that he won't be signing with Atlanta (at least before July 1st).
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 20, 2010 11:13:59 GMT -5
$5M really isn't a heck of a lot. Nik Antropov turned a 60 point season into over $4M. If Plekanec scores 70 or 80 I wouldn't be surprised if he asked for that much.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 20, 2010 11:27:24 GMT -5
19 pages fanticizing about Lecavalier , an overpaid player with a killer long term contract.
If we don't get him we can ask Pittsburg about Mario Lemieux or the Rangers about Jean Ratelle.
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Post by OopyDoopy on Jan 20, 2010 12:34:26 GMT -5
19 pages fanticizing about Lecavalier , an overpaid player with a killer long term contract. If we don't get him we can ask Pittsburg about Mario Lemieux or the Rangers about Jean Ratelle. Wow you really think one of those two are available, come on Bob go get one of them! I thought for sure Lemieux would be untradable him owning the team and all. ;D |
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Post by clear observer on Jan 20, 2010 13:19:01 GMT -5
19 pages fanticizing about Lecavalier , an overpaid player with a killer long term contract. If we don't get him we can ask Pittsburg about Mario Lemieux or the Rangers about Jean Ratelle. *spit-take (again) |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 21, 2010 19:49:32 GMT -5
But wouldnt the one yr contract be more enticing to T-Bay? Yes, it would be. I was speaking from our perspective. In order to add that salary, we'd need to find long term money to send the other way. Many will point to Gomez, but assuming there's no interest, you have to find money elsewhere. That's where moving a Hamrlik salary does us no good. In the Rags rumour you have long term money moving in both directions. If Barak Obama analyzed the Hab's roster and cap, he would consider Gomez a capitalist banker who is grossly overpaid with an obscene long term contract. Glen Sather was a fool to ever give him a contract like that. Bob Gainey is a bigger f**l for leting Slats out of his mistake. Where is Mike Milbury when you need him? |
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Post by Anardil1 on Jan 21, 2010 21:54:36 GMT -5
I wish he would just hurry up and accept the rumoured trade to the Rangers so that he will once again show all the "fans" who are having Vinnie wet dreams, that all he really is, is a "maudit vendu", who wants absolutely nothing to do with the Habs.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 30, 2010 1:19:39 GMT -5
More from da Blogger, Arpon Basu. The suggestion is a Gomez for Vinny swap, with ohers in the mix likely. Of more interest is the line about Pierre Boivin stating that Halak would be traded in the next few weeks. There's a link to a Cyberpresse article which is, naturally, in French. If one of you excellent linguists can give it a look and let us French challenged posters know the essence of the article, it would be greatly appreciated. Merci. dailyhab-it.blogspot.com/ |
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Post by franko on Jan 30, 2010 8:22:21 GMT -5
what is Boivin doing making such pronouncements? I thought trades were Gainey's job and that he kept things close to his vest?
It's getting even uglier . . . if that could happen.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 30, 2010 8:39:49 GMT -5
More from da Blogger, Arpon Basu. The suggestion is a Gomez for Vinny swap, with ohers in the mix likely. Of more interest is the line about Pierre Boivin stating that Halak would be traded in the next few weeks. There's a link to a Cyberpresse article which is, naturally, in French. If one of you excellent linguists can give it a look and let us French challenged posters know the essence of the article, it would be greatly appreciated. Merci. dailyhab-it.blogspot.com/...the tidbit about Boivin is somebody (which Rejean Tremblay refers to as a Deep Throat) who was at a businessmen dinner (where Boivin was) claimed PB mentioned that Halak will be traded. Not an announcement, just part of a private conversation that made its way to a journalist. I have no doubt that Tremblay is well connected and I'm 90% sure that his DT friend who was at that businessmen dinner is Marcel Aubut, but we don't have what did Boivin say exactly and in what context. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 30, 2010 17:29:10 GMT -5
More from da Blogger, Arpon Basu. The suggestion is a Gomez for Vinny swap, with ohers in the mix likely. Of more interest is the line about Pierre Boivin stating that Halak would be traded in the next few weeks. There's a link to a Cyberpresse article which is, naturally, in French. If one of you excellent linguists can give it a look and let us French challenged posters know the essence of the article, it would be greatly appreciated. Merci. dailyhab-it.blogspot.com/...the tidbit about Boivin is somebody (which Rejean Tremblay refers to as a Deep Throat) who was at a businessmen dinner (where Boivin was) claimed PB mentioned that Halak will be traded. Not an announcement, just part of a private conversation that made its way to a journalist. I have no doubt that Tremblay is well connected and I'm 90% sure that his DT friend who was at that businessmen dinner is Marcel Aubut, but we don't have what did Boivin say exactly and in what context. No real news then. Boivin just stated what everybody can guess - Halak will be traded eventually. My fear is that Halak, as an RFA, could engineer a deal in the off season as Kessel & his agent did & that there won't be a lot of choices for Gainey. |
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Post by roke on Jan 30, 2010 20:27:36 GMT -5
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 30, 2010 20:55:30 GMT -5
Trading for Lecavalier is like trading in a good wife for Christie Brinkley. Expensive, high maintenance and her best years are behind her. THe prospect of watching her on a total gym for 8 more years isn't worth $10,000,000 a year.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 31, 2010 1:09:02 GMT -5
Trading for Lecavalier is like trading in a good wife for Christie Brinkley. Expensive, high maintenance and her best years are behind her. THe prospect of watching her on a total gym for 8 more years isn't worth $10,000,000 a year. No....but for something less, I'd watch for 8 more years. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2010 7:08:10 GMT -5
I think that's a pretty good deal for TB especially the way Plekanec is playing now. The school of thought here is that BG won't trade Price because he has supported him since draft day & has showed him too much favortism. If this rumor is true then it should put that to rest. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 31, 2010 10:28:43 GMT -5
That actually came from CKAC www.ckac.com/hockey/nouvelles/gainey-avait-trouve-un-accord-pour-lecavalier-1955323.htmlPleks and Price for Lecavalier got nixed by Bettman/Barrie. Article goes on to say that a new owner is just about to be announced in Tampa, and that they'd want to move Vinny (salary) promptly. Accoring to another site, Geoff Molson made the trip to Florida... ...Lots of speculation going around. With the PriceGate and the Cammalleri injury, it's all you need to get the fire going from dead ashes... |
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2010 11:26:28 GMT -5
That actually came from CKAC www.ckac.com/hockey/nouvelles/gainey-avait-trouve-un-accord-pour-lecavalier-1955323.htmlPleks and Price for Lecavalier got nixed by Bettman/Barrie. Article goes on to say that a new owner is just about to be announced in Tampa, and that they'd want to move Vinny (salary) promptly. Accoring to another site, Geoff Molson made the trip to Florida... ...Lots of speculation going around. With the PriceGate and the Cammalleri injury, it's all you need to get the fire going from dead ashes... Maybe Molson just went to Florida because it's so friggin" cold.  |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 31, 2010 16:37:30 GMT -5
That actually came from CKAC www.ckac.com/hockey/nouvelles/gainey-avait-trouve-un-accord-pour-lecavalier-1955323.htmlPleks and Price for Lecavalier got nixed by Bettman/Barrie. Article goes on to say that a new owner is just about to be announced in Tampa, and that they'd want to move Vinny (salary) promptly. Accoring to another site, Geoff Molson made the trip to Florida... ...Lots of speculation going around. With the PriceGate and the Cammalleri injury, it's all you need to get the fire going from dead ashes... Maybe Molson just went to Florida because it's so friggin" cold. What good is waking up on a Sunday morning if there isn't a Lecavalier to Montreal rumor. It's got me up for the last five years. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 4, 2010 16:22:53 GMT -5
and Vinny gets 2 years older, 2 years slower, and we still have his albatros of a contract to deal with. nope, my vote hasn't changed. What about when he gets to be 40 and still has a $7,ooo,ooo.oo cap hit? It would ruin the team, unless Gainey becomes GM elsewhere and takes the contract off our hands. |
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Post by blny on Apr 12, 2010 12:59:00 GMT -5
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) , maybe not perfect, but similar to Ryan O'Byrne, Roman Hamrlik, and Maxim Lapierre.
