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Post by HabSolute on Jun 9, 2009 12:42:55 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 9, 2009 12:45:36 GMT -5
We have cap room... we need someone to get him the puck |
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Post by jkr on Jun 9, 2009 13:00:00 GMT -5
Makes it more difficult to move him now that this is public. WHy did he sign long term if he wants out.  |
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Post by MC Habber on Jun 9, 2009 13:33:48 GMT -5
I would love to see him in Montreal.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 9, 2009 14:24:07 GMT -5
Second time he wants out of a team.
...lots of talent but questionable commitment.
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Post by CrocRob on Jun 9, 2009 14:52:13 GMT -5
Second time he wants out of a team. ...lots of talent but questionable commitment. I think the first one was a mutual agreement that a change of pastures would be a good idea. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 9, 2009 15:00:02 GMT -5
Second time he wants out of a team. ...lots of talent but questionable commitment. I think the first one was a mutual agreement that a change of pastures would be a good idea. Pretty sure he wanted out of Atlanta because of his car accident. However, I can't see Murray trading him to an Eastern conference team. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 9, 2009 17:33:50 GMT -5
Listening to the team1200 a large number of callers are saying the team can use him to get a top D man and a good forward... which given the lousy return we got in the Roy trade, made me chuckle. They talk about trading him to free up space to sign Bouwmeester, trade him to Tampa or the Island for their pick... on and on (just as bad as Habs fans). IMO, - Heatly has done nothing near what Roy accomplished before demanding a trade
- a 7.5 mill cap hit is not something a lot of teams can swallow,
- it has been stated he wants to go to the west and with the NMC it really limits where the Sens can send him and what they can get
- Doesn't appear to be a community guy (compared to other Sens players)
So all this to say I don't think the Sens will get what the fans think they should get. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 9, 2009 21:59:34 GMT -5
So all this to say I don't think the Sens will get what the fans think they should get. I can see them possibly getting Patrick Marleau, Alexei Semenov and/or Ryane Clowe. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 9, 2009 23:30:13 GMT -5
Or a repeat of the Pronger deal where Lowe got fleeced.
As much as we don't like Kovalev and his ways, do we really want a guy who wants out after year one a long and big contract?
Now the guy who was traded for Heatley and who is about to win a ring on Friday night, and who used to play for Martin...that's a different story. I would use lots of cap room on him.
When I was in Switzerland in Apr/May cheering on team Canada there were a lot of shifts where this guy left me scratching my head and muttering out loud (I am a Habs fan after all). For that kind of dough and contract term, not to mention this latest stunt...I want a bit more.
The other problem with Heatley is he would cost a lot of assets, something we currently lack with all the UFAs.
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Post by MC Habber on Jun 10, 2009 1:16:34 GMT -5
I think the first one was a mutual agreement that a change of pastures would be a good idea. Pretty sure he wanted out of Atlanta because of his car accident. That's what I remember. Given the fiasco that the Senators have always been (hugely disappointing returns on their talent, year after year), I can understand him wanting out of there too. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 10, 2009 5:20:59 GMT -5
I'd love him in Montreal, but I don't know why Ottawa would even consider sending him to a division rival.
Cheers.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 10, 2009 5:28:21 GMT -5
Second time he wants out of a team. ...lots of talent but questionable commitment. He wants out because of the coach....they don't see eye to eye!! I wonder how he got along with JM? I wonder if Markov for Heatly could get things done? |
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Post by blny on Jun 10, 2009 6:11:05 GMT -5
Second time he wants out of a team. ...lots of talent but questionable commitment. He wants out because of the coach....they don't see eye to eye!! I wonder how he got along with JM? I wonder if Markov for Heatly could get things done? Given the state of our PP, I don't think we could consider making that move. Markov is our distributor out back and we need a point shot. Moving Markov, adding Heatly, and presumably adding Bouwmeester (I'm guessing you see Montreal going after him to replace Andrei) means we can't add that shot we'll need. |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 10, 2009 6:15:36 GMT -5
He wants out because of the coach....they don't see eye to eye!! I wonder how he got along with JM? I wonder if Markov for Heatly could get things done? Given the state of our PP, I don't think we could consider making that move. Markov is our distributor out back and we need a point shot. Moving Markov, adding Heatly, and presumably adding Bouwmeester (I'm guessing you see Montreal going after him to replace Andrei) means we can't add that shot we'll need. I guess it really depends on who we re-sign this off season...we could have more than enough cap space to sign that big shot. |
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jun 10, 2009 8:03:20 GMT -5
I would like to have Heatly but I don't think it would ever happen to have him come here. I certainly wouldn't give up Markov for him because if you believe teams are built from the goal out Markov is far more important to the Habs considering the other defensman on the team.
I don't think Heatly would cost as much to get either since very few teams would be willing to take on that contract. I could see him most likely going to a team in the west like LA or Vancouver if Sundin/Sedins are not returning.
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Post by blny on Jun 10, 2009 8:16:09 GMT -5
Given the state of our PP, I don't think we could consider making that move. Markov is our distributor out back and we need a point shot. Moving Markov, adding Heatly, and presumably adding Bouwmeester (I'm guessing you see Montreal going after him to replace Andrei) means we can't add that shot we'll need. I guess it really depends on who we re-sign this off season...we could have more than enough cap space to sign that big shot. Who's out there though? Bouwmeester is the top of the crop of blue liners, and I don't think he's an upgrade over Markov. Younger yes, but that's it. He's not overly physical, he doesn't have a better shot, etc. Trading Markov for Heatly gives us a great forward, but we've seen what removing quality blue liners does. We struggled to replace the offense that Streit brought and his impact on the PP. Markov isn't the shooter, but trading him means you have to replace him AND get a shooter IMO. I think we get severely hampered in the process. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jun 10, 2009 11:34:27 GMT -5
I'd bet on the Kings. Heatly/Kopitar duo would be pretty deadly (...and they no longer would have enough cap space to get Vinny  ) |
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Post by jkr on Jun 10, 2009 11:54:26 GMT -5
Or a repeat of the Pronger deal where Lowe got fleeced. As much as we don't like Kovalev and his ways, do we really want a guy who wants out after year one a long and big contract? Now the guy who was traded for Heatley and who is about to win a ring on Friday night, and who used to play for Martin...that's a different story. I would use lots of cap room on him. I'm starting to wonder about Hossa. He's been invisible in the final & a disappointment throught the playoffs. He looks like he's afraid out there & his not going anywhere near the net. The last time he scored was in the conference final against a very shakey Huet. If he wants a ring he better get off his a$$ & contribute.  |
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Post by CrocRob on Jun 10, 2009 12:22:21 GMT -5
One of the things I like about Hossa is that he's just not often on the ice for a goal. Of the 46 total goals scored against Detroit in the playoffs, Hossa's been on the ice for just 11, 5 of those coming in the Chicago series. Compare that to Zetterburg's 18, Filppula's 18, and Franzen's 14. From what I could tell, only one of those goals were on the PP too (Hossa takes a semi-regular shift on the PK, averaging about a minute per game). With Detroit having such an abysmal PK this playoffs, that's not something to dismiss.
He's been on the ice for 26 of Detroit's 74 total goals. Only Zetterburg (35) and Franzen (34) rank higher in that regard.
I agree his point totals are disappointing. But that's not the whole story. He's still a hell of a player.
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Post by Gogie on Jun 10, 2009 12:56:31 GMT -5
Hossa hasn't been used as a first line player by the Wings and he's obviously bought into the system they've asked him to play. I'm not sure his talent has diminished or he's any less attaractive as a UFA based on what he's done with Detroit. In fact, I'd say his value has increased due to his willingness to be a "team" player and subjugate his personal production for the good of the team.
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Post by jkr on Jun 10, 2009 13:20:15 GMT -5
Hossa hasn't been used as a first line player by the Wings and he's obviously bought into the system they've asked him to play. I'm not sure his talent has diminished or he's any less attaractive as a UFA based on what he's done with Detroit. In fact, I'd say his value has increased due to his willingness to be a "team" player and subjugate his personal production for the good of the team. He did score 40 goals this season in 74 games. I know he's a strong 2 way player but he should be producing more on offense. |
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Post by gy on Jun 10, 2009 13:20:52 GMT -5
Hossa would be more of a presence in Montréal, which lacks a Datsyuk or a Zetterberg. The stars on the Habs for the most part are of a low magnitude. At least Hossa would be worth watching. So would Heatley.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 10, 2009 18:11:18 GMT -5
Heatley may want to come to Montreal after seeing the good time the Kostitsyns are having. Dany isn't averse to a party.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 10, 2009 23:02:38 GMT -5
Who's out there though? Bouwmeester is the top of the crop of blue liners, and I don't think he's an upgrade over Markov. Younger yes, but that's it. He's not overly physical, he doesn't have a better shot, etc. Wheels, wheels, wheels. |
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Post by blny on Jun 11, 2009 6:06:04 GMT -5
Who's out there though? Bouwmeester is the top of the crop of blue liners, and I don't think he's an upgrade over Markov. Younger yes, but that's it. He's not overly physical, he doesn't have a better shot, etc. Wheels, wheels, wheels. As in the ones on the bus go round and round? Is Jay faster than Andrei? Yes. Does that automatically make him better? Don't think so. |
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Post by gy on Jun 11, 2009 21:29:41 GMT -5
As in the ones on the bus go round and round? Is Jay faster than Andrei? Yes. Does that automatically make him better? Don't think so. Well, he's 6'4" and he's only 25. Like Markov, he can score. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 11, 2009 22:07:53 GMT -5
As in the ones on the bus go round and round? Is Jay faster than Andrei? Yes. Does that automatically make him better? Don't think so. Didn't say that. You said "younger, yes, but that's it". I didn't think youth was Bouwmeester's only advantage. He's a much better skater than Andrei. I also think he's better defensively, but I'm one of the great appreciators of Markov. He's a terrific defenseman, whose strengths are his brain and his passing. I'd like to have him and Bouwmeester, but I'm fairly sure Jay is headed elsewhere. We're just not an attractive destination (yet) to players. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 13, 2009 6:59:50 GMT -5
On Spector's site he mentions that Heatley has a 4 million dollar bonus that the Sens must pay by July 1. That's a big incentive to deal him before then but also an incentive for other teams to stay away from him too.
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Post by franko on Jun 13, 2009 7:49:33 GMT -5
On Spector's site he mentions that Heatley has a 4 million dollar bonus that the Sens must pay by July 1. That's a big incentive to deal him before then but also an incentive for other teams to stay away from him too. Well known fact here. So the trade may not happen until July2 [there may be a nudge-nudge-wink-wink at the draft table]. Heatley has put the Sens in a spot -- he's now tarred a bad apple whiner so his value is down. |
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