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Post by Lord Bebop on Sept 10, 2009 19:14:41 GMT -5
The Boston Globe is reporting that Kessel's Toronto-based agent Wade Arnott has told the Bruins that his clients priority is to sign a free-agent offer sheet with one of the NHL's other 29 teams. tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=290631 |
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Post by blny on Sept 10, 2009 20:11:47 GMT -5
Boston can't be happy about this, but they didn't leave themselves the cap space, and they want to pay him what they signed Krejci for. Kessel wants a little more.
The stars certainly seem to be aligning for a Toronto offer, but if I'm Chiarelli I match anything that isn't outrageous. Kessel's been getting better progressively and Krejci may be a one year wonder.
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Post by franko on Sept 10, 2009 20:19:29 GMT -5
Chiarelli has already said that he will match any offer.
Not sure if Kessel is ticked that Boston isn't actively negotiating, but then again, what's the rush? He can't do a thing until November anyway.
He should think a bit before he signs on the dotted blue line . . . Cup . . . $ . . . Cup . . . $
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 11, 2009 9:26:38 GMT -5
Boston can't be happy about this, but they didn't leave themselves the cap space, and they want to pay him what they signed Krejci for. Kessel wants a little more. The stars certainly seem to be aligning for a Toronto offer, but if I'm Chiarelli I match anything that isn't outrageous. Kessel's been getting better progressively and Krejci may be a one year wonder. As soon as I heard the (TO) media reporting anything-to-do-with-Kessel-to-Toronto stories, I immediately thought about why Chiarelli would want to trade a top winger to a divisional rival. Like you said, economically the Bruins don't have the cap space. They'd have to free up some money somewhere, but even if they do I can't see why Chiarelli would move Kessel to Toronto. Doesn't make good business sense to me. Cheers. |
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Post by CrocRob on Sept 11, 2009 10:16:19 GMT -5
Not sure if Kessel is ticked that Boston isn't actively negotiating, but then again, what's the rush? He can't do a thing until November anyway. The rush is a fair amount of cash for Kessel. He has no contract, which means he's unpaid. Insurance will pay -- at most, if they give him anything at all -- his $850k rookie salary. October to the end of November is over a quarter of the NHL season. That's a million dollars on a $4M deal. I might want to be signed, too. I think Boston's giving Kessel the runaround here. Go sign an offer sheet and force them to make a decision. |
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Post by madhabber on Sept 11, 2009 15:07:32 GMT -5
Every few years, a star player wants out of Boston during contract negociations.
Kessel
Thornton a few years back - although there were other factors, it culminated during the contract negociations.
Jason Allison before that.
Maybe Adam Oates also, but I'm not sure on this one.
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Post by blny on Sept 11, 2009 15:57:53 GMT -5
In those earlier cases, it wasn't the cap that was potentially restricting the Bruins' organization. It was the tight purse strings of ownership and management and Harry Sinden's abrasive personality.
With Kessel it's a matter of room. I would have to assume that Chiarelli is trying to find a way to make room. Other teams are going to know why and may be making life difficult.
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Post by blny on Sept 11, 2009 20:04:44 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Sept 11, 2009 21:01:15 GMT -5
In those earlier cases, it wasn't the cap that was potentially restricting the Bruins' organization. It was the tight purse strings of ownership and management and Harry Sinden's abrasive personality. With Kessel it's a matter of room. I would have to assume that Chiarelli is trying to find a way to make room. Other teams are going to know why and may be making life difficult. Jacobs cheapness hasn't changed, so whoever the GM is, they have to contend with the fact that Jacobs in more interested in his Return on Equity than on a Stanley Cup. Having said that, I hope other teams don't place too great a value on Kessel. Yes, he's a dangerous offensive player, but I think he comes with a bunch of character baggage. Why else did he fall to 6th in his draft year, when he was a top 3 talent? Why else has Boston played hardball with him (could be Jacobs cheapness as a big factor here, but you'd think a top quality winger with good character would have been signed a long time ago)? There are more than a few questions about Kessel to make me tread carefully re acquiring him. |
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Post by madhabber on Sept 11, 2009 23:10:26 GMT -5
I think part of it is Jacobs being cheap with RFAs. The Bruins will spend on UFAs but when it comes to their own RFAs, they are pretty cheap.
I seem to remember that Bourque was underpaid throughout most of his career also. Jacobs taken advantage of Bourque wanting to continue his career in Boston.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Sept 18, 2009 19:18:58 GMT -5
According to Dreger, sources say the Maple Leafs and the Bruins have agreed on a trade that will send Phil Kessel to the Leafs. Rumored that 2-1st and a 2nd is going the other way.
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Post by Douper on Sept 18, 2009 20:14:26 GMT -5
Very expensive.... Thanks Leafs for ensuring the Bruins keep getting better at a quicker rate than the rest of the division!
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Post by jkr on Sept 18, 2009 20:52:40 GMT -5
still don't know why Boston would trade a 36 goal scorer within the division for picks only.
RDS reported Kessell gets 5year/27 million dollar deal. Seems quite steep for a 21 year old with one really good season. And I think with his shoulder surgery that he is out until November.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 18, 2009 21:07:22 GMT -5
still don't know why Boston would trade a 36 goal scorer within the division for picks only. RDS reported Kessell gets 5year/27 million dollar deal. Seems quite steep for a 21 year old with one really good season. And I think with his shoulder surgery that he is out until November. Well, it's a coup for Burke, I think. TSN is reporting that it's official now. I originally thought, you know ... why would Boston trade Kessel to the Leafs? But, the B's may not have had a choice: * they don't have the cap space, * Burke understands that and gives Charelli the ultimatum (behind the scenes). "You can't get a better package from any team out there. I'm offering two first's and a second ... and you won't have to tinker with your lineup ... that, or I'll just offer him an offer sheet and we'll dicker with the compensation after ..." www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=291601 (link) Burke has a plan. He's got his team tougher, he's got a new attitude in the dressing room and he's got a bonafide sniper in Kessel. Son of a gun. Cheers. |
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Post by roke on Sept 18, 2009 21:12:13 GMT -5
Thank God Boston's right up against the cap, Kaberle is exactly the type of defenseman that team needs to take the next step, and he's the main cog I would have wanted in a Kessel deal if I were their GM
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Post by franko on Sept 18, 2009 21:48:10 GMT -5
Somehow the Leafs will find a way to mess it up . . . even if it is a GM with experience.
Kessle with a bad shoulder . . . a possible recuring problem, methinks.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 18, 2009 23:28:15 GMT -5
Very expensive.... Thanks Leafs for ensuring the Bruins keep getting better at a quicker rate than the rest of the division! That's my assessment. B's get three prime picks and free up their cap space issues. Those are assets that can get their team better in a hurray (say by trade deadline day). If not, they get some top rated prospects over the next two summers. Kessel still may end up being the real deal, but GMs avoided him after the WJC and into his draft year. Julien benched him a few times to boot, and in key games. If he gets it all together he could be a decent pick up...but at that price?!? Holy crap. Leaf fans, today's koolaid de jour is strawberry. Drink up!! |
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Post by jkr on Sept 19, 2009 5:04:46 GMT -5
still don't know why Boston would trade a 36 goal scorer within the division for picks only. RDS reported Kessell gets 5year/27 million dollar deal. Seems quite steep for a 21 year old with one really good season. And I think with his shoulder surgery that he is out until November. Well, it's a coup for Burke, I think. TSN is reporting that it's official now. I originally thought, you know ... why would Boston trade Kessel to the Leafs? But, the B's may not have had a choice: * they don't have the cap space, * Burke understands that and gives Charelli the ultimatum (behind the scenes). "You can't get a better package from any team out there. I'm offering two first's and a second ... and you won't have to tinker with your lineup ... that, or I'll just offer him an offer sheet and we'll dicker with the compensation after ..." Cheers. I don't think you can dicker with the compensation- depending on the amount of the offer I think the compensation is set in stone. Just look at the Leafs last two drafts - would you trade Schenn, Kadri & a second for Kessel? That's 2 firsts & a second. And Burke is blowing smoke when he describes Kessel as a free agent that could have signed anywhere. That just doesn't happen with RFAs & he knows it. That's misleading but it makes their fans feel good I guess. |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 19, 2009 7:38:47 GMT -5
Here's one comment from a deluded Leaf fan:
I love how Brian Burke has robbed two division rivals of their future #1 man… Habs and Bruins games are going to be a blast this year…
Is he talking about Grabovski?
Robbed? Two firsts and a second for Kessel isn't exactly a steal.
Don't know what's going to happen vs. the Habs....but expect Kessel to get a full dose of Chara vs. the Bruins.
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Post by jkr on Sept 19, 2009 8:16:15 GMT -5
Here's one comment from a deluded Leaf fan: I love how Brian Burke has robbed two division rivals of their future #1 man… Habs and Bruins games are going to be a blast this year…Is he talking about Grabovski? Robbed? Two firsts and a second for Kessel isn't exactly a steal. Don't know what's going to happen vs. the Habs....but expect Kessel to get a full dose of Chara vs. the Bruins. that moron doesn't even know facts about his own team - Fletcher made the Grabovski deal. What a tool.  |
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Post by franko on Sept 19, 2009 8:37:22 GMT -5
may have been talking about the Komi signing.
no less deluded though
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 19, 2009 8:41:15 GMT -5
may have been talking about the Komi signing. no less deluded though Yeah, it still wouldn't be a steal, since he was a UFA and the Habs didn't want him at that price. And he certainly wasn't a future #1. Another quote from a Leaf fan: "Kessel is the final link in Burkie's chain....."  You'd think they just signed Ovechkin, Crosby, and Zetterberg. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 19, 2009 9:12:36 GMT -5
Did the Leafs even have their draft picks to make an offer sheet?
Anyhow, Burke is the biggest hypocrite in history. He raked Lowe over the coals over the Penner offer .... now he does worse IMO by giving a 60 point player 5.25 million, and basically telling the league that his worth is two first round picks, and a second round pick.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 19, 2009 9:17:39 GMT -5
Well, it's a coup for Burke, I think. TSN is reporting that it's official now. I originally thought, you know ... why would Boston trade Kessel to the Leafs? But, the B's may not have had a choice: * they don't have the cap space, * Burke understands that and gives Charelli the ultimatum (behind the scenes). "You can't get a better package from any team out there. I'm offering two first's and a second ... and you won't have to tinker with your lineup ... that, or I'll just offer him an offer sheet and we'll dicker with the compensation after ..." Cheers. I don't think you can dicker with the compensation- depending on the amount of the offer I think the compensation is set in stone. You're right in that the league has a specific compensatory package for stuff like this. I can't remember the exact deal, but it was a few years ago. One team tendered an offer sheet to a RFA and rather than coughing up draft picks, the team owning the player took two roster players (plus something else; a draft pick I think) as compensation. Like I said, JKR, I really can't remember the exact scenario, but I think that's the way it unfolded. If I can get a link I'll post it for sure. ============================================== Edit: I just googled "history of NHL offer sheets" and this is the link that popped up.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_players_who_have_signed_offer_sheets
I honestly can't remember the scenario I was referring to, but there are a lot of different scenarios involving various levels of talent and compensation. Some are confusing given what the league dictates.
============================================== This comparison gives a pretty decent visual of what Burke did actually. I was listening to TSN this morning and one of the hosts mentioned something like, "... TWO MORE 1st-rounders are gone from the Leafs." Just a paraphrase though. I think he tried to substantiate the compensation by saying that the players he signed in the off-season could have been the equivalent of several 1st-rounders and that's why he could afford to do what he did. His team looks and will probably play different but I don't know if I can actually share that opinion. Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 19, 2009 11:30:11 GMT -5
Did the Leafs even have their draft picks to make an offer sheet? Anyhow, Burke is the biggest hypocrite in history. He raked Lowe over the coals over the Penner offer .... now he does worse IMO by giving a 60 point player 5.25 million, and basically telling the league that his worth is two first round picks, and a second round pick. He traded a 2nd & a 3rd to Chicago to get his own 2nd rounder back - last week I think. |
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Post by CentreHice on Sept 19, 2009 12:11:12 GMT -5
So, if the two 2nd rounders in the Chicago deal are a saw-off....Burke essentially traded two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd (to get the 2nd back from Chicago) for Kessel.
AND paying him $5.25 million.
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Post by duster on Sept 19, 2009 12:12:34 GMT -5
I have a lot of respect for Chiarelli. He's a smart man and a good GM. I'm certain he would have taken the necessary steps during the summer to keep Kessel if he thought the latter was worth the money. A talent like Kessel doesn't grow on trees, so I can't help but wonder if Chiarelli knows something Burke doesn't.
It's quite the gamble. By giving up so much, the pressure is on for the Leafs to make the playoffs this year. If Kessel is the problem child he was reported to be in college, Toronto is the worst possible place for him. We'll soon find out.
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Post by mississaugaslasher on Sept 19, 2009 12:42:02 GMT -5
Seems like a lot to pay for an above-average-but-not-amazing player...
His point totals are going up, but didn't he play sith Savard and Lucic last year? That's got to help a bit...
If the Leafs finish bottom 15 I would think a comparable player to Kessel could be picked with ease, so unless Boston completely fails at picking 1st rounders, they should win this deal in the long run.
HAHA - have you seen the story on TSN.ca yet? :
"AFTER PICKING UP KESSEL, LEAFS KNOCK OFF STANLEY CUP CHAMPS"
Block off Bloor St. it's time to start the parade! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 14:51:22 GMT -5
So, if the two 2nd rounders in the Chicago deal are a saw-off....Burke essentially traded two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd (to get the 2nd back from Chicago) for Kessel. AND paying him $5.25 million. I'm curious as to what Lowe's going to say about it. Somebody ought to call Burke on it. |
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Post by jkr on Sept 19, 2009 16:36:55 GMT -5
Seems like a lot to pay for an above-average-but-not-amazing player... His point totals are going up, but didn't he play sith Savard and Lucic last year? That's got to help a bit... If the Leafs finish bottom 15 I would think a comparable player to Kessel could be picked with ease, so unless Boston completely fails at picking 1st rounders, they should win this deal in the long run. HAHA - have you seen the story on TSN.ca yet? : "AFTER PICKING UP KESSEL, LEAFS KNOCK OFF STANLEY CUP CHAMPS" Block off Bloor St. it's time to start the parade! ;D Good points about Savard - the Leafs don't have anyone comparable to him. I assume he'll play with Grabovski. |
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