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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 20, 2010 21:41:42 GMT -5
In his draft year, the scouting reports all referred to his competitive nature and how he battles hard and does not like to lose while at Omaha in the USHL. I doubt that has gone anywhere. He also had his timelines about turning pro and figured he would be ready in two years. So, that gets him looking for a contract after this season. If he makes the Junior team, that season is considerably more intense than just an Ivy League schedule. If he uses his time off the ice to work out and also get more on ice practice time along with his time needed for his studies, it is not all lost. The CHL route would be the the path that best prepares a young player for the rigours of a long pro schedule; however, he can still stay on the same timelines if he does indeed turn pro after this season. What will likely help is that his old teammate, Danny Kristo, will also be in a position next summer to consider signing his entry level deal as well if he continues on his development path. The NCAA route has not hurt his development. Might as well draft Seth Ambroz too .... I like Louis ... I hate the NCAA route, it never works out well for us .... but I think next year's class is very weak, and Louis has his eyes on the Calder Trophy. I think if the Habs use him in an offensive role, he just may have a chance in 2011-12. But of course, there will be cries that he should spent time in Hamilton and we may see him make the team as a 24 yr old eventually ... ahhh those develoment years in the college system .....  The NCAA route is good for mid to late rounders as it gives the team longer to watch them develop...for top end picks, the CHL path is better in my opinion. Oh well. Hope Louis has a big year. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 22, 2010 9:12:56 GMT -5
I’m not overly concerned.
* Pierre Gauthier has always said “it’s up to him.” Maybe in the background he’s saying otherwise, but he doesn’t seem too concerned by it.
* The Habs clearly like the NCAA route. Last year’s Vezina, Conn Smyth and Norris trophy winners all came out of the NCAA.
* I’ve been to the Verdun Auditorium, and I’ve seen Harvard. No comparison. At Harvard he has access to first rate gym facilities, and first rate trainers. Wouldn’t necessarily be the case playing in the Q, or even in Hamilton.
* People claim he isn’t going to be playing enough games, to which I say “good.” Leblanc needs to get bigger, stronger, and more skilled. He’s not going to do that touching the puck for 2 minutes a game, riding buses for 18 hours all across Quebec. Practice, practice, practice. That’s exactly what he needs at this stage of his career. Let him play 82 games when he’s 21, 22. Not as an 18-19 year old.
* Right now the Q is on a downturn. In fact, the first Quebec born player drafted this year played for… Harvard. Last year, the Montreal Juniors had three drafted players. By comparison, Harvard had seven. Further to that in 2007 two USHL teams - and most people agree that the USHL is inferior to NCAA, even the ECAC - played four exhibition games against teams in the QMJHL, the Remparts and the Oceanic; Omaha beat the Patrick Roy coached Remparts 3-2 in their first game and then crushed the Oceanic 6-0 in their second game. Indiana lost in a shootout to Rimouski in their first game, 6-5, and then lost again to the Remparts, 5-3, in their second game (with an empty net goal).
* Hamilton?? Is Leblanc really ready for Hamilton? He’s not a top-notch prospect, he’s a good prospect. He was a mid first round pick. He needs time. He didn’t exactly rip up the NCAA, and while he was very good I don’t think he needs to be rushed into the AHL, where he may be clearly overmatched. And even if he can hold his own, would that be a good thing for him? We’ve seen what happened to Latendresse and Ribeiro, the closer and closer they got to the NHL, why don’t we learn from past mistakes? Leblanc doesn’t need the media hysteria at this point.
* The Harvard program. Say what you will about Ted Donato’s abilities as a coach, but there is no doubt that he is trying to bring a “pro” approach to the Harvard hockey program, which was largely absent before his arrival. As clearly shown by their willingness to aggressively recruit top ranked hockey players and NHL-experienced coaches, something they never did in the past.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 22, 2010 13:31:00 GMT -5
* The Habs clearly like the NCAA route. Last year’s Vezina, Conn Smyth and Norris trophy winners all came out of the NCAA. I've always hated this arguement ... Team A does well drafting from the NCAA so the Habs doing it is ok? The Habs have went this route, primarily for defensemen, time and time again .... how many are actually playing for us now? I'm reminded of the phrase "going to the well once to often" So Toews and Duncan Keith came from the NCAA ... well there are a few points I'd like to quibble over. Keith wasn't that great in the NCAA. His stock didn't rise until he played extremly well for Kelowna in the WHL. But the Conn Smythe winner didn't play in the CHL or AHL .... if he is good enough in training camp then I say let him play. Everywhere I read says that the Q is actually on an upturn ... in fact this is what one Central Scouting scout has to say regarding the 2011 draft " It's possible the 2011 Draft will be the year of the "Q." League scout Chris Bordeleau was all smiles when discussing next year's crop, which includes four players from the Saint John Sea Dogs and high-profile sniper Sean Couturier of the Drummondville Voltigeurs.
Couturier had for 41 goals (10 on the power play), 96 points, and finished with a plus-62 rating and 262 shots on goal in 68 regular-season games. He then capped it with 3 goals, 7 points and a plus-9 rating in four playoff games.
The Saint John contingent consists of centers Jonathan Huberdeau (61 games, 15 goals, 43 points, plus-28) and Zack Philips (65 games, 16 goals, 44 points, plus-22), right wing Tomas Jurco (64 games, 26 goals, 51 points, plus-34) and defenseman Nathan Beaulieu (66 games, 12 goals, 45 points, plus-43).
"These kids are likely to be gone in the first round, so it's going to be a banner year in the 'Q' with these kids," Bordeleau said.
" I agree ... we should know that drafting first round goalies or Minnesota defensemen and NCAA players in general is not going to work .... Whenever he finally suits up ... he isn't going to need or want the hysteria. This is where the team should step in and protect the guy, another area the team is poorly lacking inl ..... |
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Post by blny on Jul 28, 2010 10:11:02 GMT -5
I read a very detailed piece recently about the downturn in Quebec. If I can find it, I'll post it. Until then, it's a compelling piece. Not only are scouts looking less and less to the Q, but the players they do end up looking at are often not from Quebec.
If 2011, a draft year that's supposed to be fairly weak, is the year of the Q ...
WRT to the CHL vs. the NCAA, I'll say this:
It's undeniable that more and more quality players are coming through the USHL and NCAA route. There are some very strong programs in the US. I would say that the CHL has a higher percentage of top rate organizations, but as more and more top athletes choose hockey AND the NCAA route, the number of solid programs churning out quality pro players will increase. What does that mean for NHL clubs? It means patience and the risk of that player having less time contributing to your organization than if he'd gone the CHL route.
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Post by HABSINFL on Jul 31, 2010 7:14:49 GMT -5
www.habsinsideout.com/Canadiens sign Louis Leblanc posted by Mike Boone at 20h54 EST on Jul 30 Goodbye to Harvard after one season with the Crimson. Goodbye Cambridge, Mass. ... hello, Montreal Juniors, who traded for his Q rights, sending forward Guillaume Asselin and their 2011 first-round choice in the QMJHL draft to Chicoutimi. Goodbye, Ivy League economics degree. Hello, $$$ in The Show (if the kid pans out) – and maybe courses at McGill. The Canadiens' first-round draft choice in 2009 has signed a three-year contract. Leblanc will attend the Team Canada juniors' training camp in Newfoundland from Aug. 4 to 7. The Montreal Juniors' camp begins Aug. 15 Super move by the HABS!
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Post by wetcoasthabsfan on Aug 6, 2010 17:43:19 GMT -5
As per TSN Sportscentre, Louis finished first in fitness testing at the development camp in St Johns. Also has 22 goals at the halfway point of the first Red/White game. Like it
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Post by Skilly on Aug 6, 2010 20:26:20 GMT -5
As per TSN Sportscentre, Louis finished first in fitness testing at the development camp in St Johns. Also has 22 goals at the halfway point of the first Red/White game. Like it I was at the Red-White game tonight. No one really stood out for the entire game, however, my friends (non Habs fans) and I all agreed that for the first half of the game, Leblanc was the best player on the ice. He has great chemistry with Sean Courterier (sp?). He was sound defensively, and the puck seem to follow him around the whole night. At the end of the game the whole team took part in a shoot-out. Louis made a nice little fake and rang it off the post. Kassian and Gudbrunson got into a little scrap in the third period, those boys are big!! It was funny seeing a 2 minute penalty for fighting and 1 minute penalties for chincy stuff ... One little worrisome thing was that Seguin and Gormley were totally invisible the whole night ... I'm not even sure if Gormley played. I certainly didn't see him and the program says he was playing .... Gallagher didnt impress me. He is smaller in person ...he had a few rushes up the ice on odd man rushes, but he always seemed to make the wrong decision. I actually had to yell out one time "You have to pass it earlier Gally". He was matched up against Hishon (5'8") the whole night ... |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 6, 2010 23:11:33 GMT -5
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Aug 7, 2010 5:46:10 GMT -5
I was also at the game and agree that Leblanc was a force the whole night. He was first on the forecheck and played a lot in the corners. He never avoided traffic and when he had the chance he lead the rush. He also traded stick jabs with several opposing players so you could see he was getting under their skin. If he plays like that always then he will fit into the Q with no problem.
Gallagher on the other hand was not impressive. He played mostly a perimiter type game and shot from a long ways out when pressured. He does skate hard but was knocked off the puck several times.
Seguin is super fast and has great puck control but was not a standout. Jeffery Skinner I thought was another kid that was fast with very good hands and played a physical game to get puck possession.
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Post by blny on Aug 7, 2010 13:59:52 GMT -5
Adjacent to that story was a video clip of 'players to watch' with Miller and the Monster. Not even a mention of him in the game. |
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Post by buzz on Aug 7, 2010 19:24:41 GMT -5
Leblanc play well tonight, setup 2 goals. He will make this team no problem.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 13, 2010 13:45:40 GMT -5
Five points for Leblanc, in his first two QMJHL games.
What was that argument again, about the Q being a "better" league than NCAA?
Oh, he's also been on the front page of the Gazette a couple of more times; once after his first game when a little blurb said something like "Leblanc's can't save Juniors."
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Post by Skilly on Sept 13, 2010 17:08:30 GMT -5
Five points for Leblanc, in his first two QMJHL games. What was that argument again, about the Q being a "better" league than NCAA? Oh, he's also been on the front page of the Gazette a couple of more times; once after his first game when a little blurb said something like "Leblanc's can't save Juniors." Geee some schmucks named Crosby, Lemieux, Bossy, and many others lit up the Q .... Leblanc went to the junior development camp and by all accounts was the BEST player there, the most FIT player there (even after 6 months away from Harvard). I'd like to think Leblanc has finally decided to concentrate on hockey ... in Harvard he was on daddy's dollar (no scholarships in IVY league schools as far as I know). Maybe school got in the way of hockey so he wouldnt waste his parents money. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 14, 2010 1:29:18 GMT -5
Five points for Leblanc, in his first two QMJHL games. What was that argument again, about the Q being a "better" league than NCAA? Oh, he's also been on the front page of the Gazette a couple of more times; once after his first game when a little blurb said something like "Leblanc's can't save Juniors." Geee some schmucks named Crosby, Lemieux, Bossy, and many others lit up the Q .... Sydney's last year there was 04/05. which is 5 seasons ago, or is it 6? He also finished 52 points ahead of the next closest scorer Dany Roussin, his teammate. The 3rd guy on that line Marc Antoine Pouliot who finished 3rd in scoring, has been an Oiler bust, which gives you an idea of how much of his game was 'made' by Crosby. And Crosby was a 17 year old. The point is that Crosby would have done well in any league. A better measure of the Q is how many solid NHL'rs in recent years originated from there compared to the other leagues. You can name a few (Claude Giroux, Patrice Bergeron come to mind), but the percentage is small. I think that is what BC is getting at. No doubt if Leblanc continues to score at 2.5 points per game, he'll be a star in the NHL. Tough to keep up that pace, though. I'm hopeful ;D. |
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 14, 2010 7:05:13 GMT -5
Leblanc is also now close to 20 years old (will be in January), whereas generational talents like Crosby dominated the league as 16 year olds. Seeing Leblanc rack up points against 17-18 year olds doesn't mean much to me, though of course it will be hyped up as some sort of "success." Might as well send him to Midget if points are your definition of success, he'll really develop there, no?
I don't see the Q pushing Leblanc in the way he needs to be pushed, i.e. learning how to play against bigger, stronger men, and the hype will rapidly approach Riberio/Latendresse territory, if you ask me. People keep insisting that Harvard is weaker, and yet Leblanc couldn't dominate that league they way he might dominate the Q?
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2010 8:14:46 GMT -5
Leblanc is also now close to 20 years old (will be in January), whereas generational talents like Crosby dominated the league as 16 year olds. Seeing Leblanc rack up points against 17-18 year olds doesn't mean much to me, though of course it will be hyped up as some sort of "success." Might as well send him to Midget if points are your definition of success, he'll really develop there, no? I don't see the Q pushing Leblanc in the way he needs to be pushed, i.e. learning how to play against bigger, stronger men, and the hype will rapidly approach Riberio/Latendresse territory, if you ask me. People keep insisting that Harvard is weaker, and yet Leblanc couldn't dominate that league they way he might dominate the Q? Doesn't that depend on your definition of dominate? Leblanc led Harvard (a very weak team too) in goals, assists, and points and plus/minus. Was named the Ivy League Rookie of the Year, and was a finalist for the ECAC rookie of the year. That's pretty darn impressive, if one has a high value of the league. I've heard the arguement that without Harvard Louis wont have the best trainers. Well, SFU just joined the NCAA's and my co-worker's daughter was recruited to play basketball there. He just got back from British Columbia and said he was hoping to see the team practice but couldnt ... according to him, its an NCAA rule that players are not allowed to have access to coaches or trainers until a specific date. They can train and practice amongst themselves .. which he saw .. but no university staff can sit in on it. I can only assume this is the same for the Ivy League , which means Louis stayed in shape away from Harvard, without the help of any of their trainers, so much so that he went into the junior camp (6 months after Harvard) in the best shape of anyone. Gauthier has stated that it was Tinordi's and Leblanc's decision to leave the NCAAs. No pressure came from the Habs. Could be lip service I guess ... but this year saw more players than I can remember make the switch. The only reason Louis is in the Q, is because of where he is born ... all residents of Quebec and the Atlantic provices HAVE to play in the Q if the want toplay in the CHL. So would I want him playing against 23-24 year old kids with no hockey future , or the best 18-19 yr olds in the country? The answer lies in another question ... who will he likely face in the NHL? The kids from the CHL. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2010 8:18:22 GMT -5
Geee some schmucks named Crosby, Lemieux, Bossy, and many others lit up the Q .... A better measure of the Q is how many solid NHL'rs in recent years originated from there compared to the other leagues. You can name a few (Claude Giroux, Patrice Bergeron come to mind), but the percentage is small. I think that is what BC is getting at. No doubt if Leblanc continues to score at 2.5 points per game, he'll be a star in the NHL. Tough to keep up that pace, though. I'm hopeful ;D. OK ... so how many solid NHLers came from the Ivy League? EDITNo doubt there have been busts come from the Q, but in recent memory I can think of three Ivy League players drafted in the first round: Higgins, Hugh Jessiman, and Sasha Pokulok. The list of first rounders coming out of the Q isn't fantastic either, but it is better than what comes out of the Ivy League, and it is against the Ivy League that Leblanc would have played 22 out of 30 odd games. We want him in the Ivy League for 8-10 games against maybe stronger competition? Looking at Harvard's schedule for the upcoming season, they play 29 games and those out of conference games are against Merrimack, Army, Vermont, Boston U, and Northeastern. I don't know much about the strength of the NCAA individual conferences nowadays, but it lookd like only BU is a "strong" team. Wouldn't we rather him get accustomed to the longer schedule in the Q ... and IMO, yes, better competition. |
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 14, 2010 9:07:57 GMT -5
A better measure of the Q is how many solid NHL'rs in recent years originated from there compared to the other leagues. You can name a few (Claude Giroux, Patrice Bergeron come to mind), but the percentage is small. I think that is what BC is getting at. No doubt if Leblanc continues to score at 2.5 points per game, he'll be a star in the NHL. Tough to keep up that pace, though. I'm hopeful ;D. OK ... so how many solid NHLers came from the Ivy League? Well, on the Habs alone you have Jeff Halpern (Princeton), Ryan O’Byrne (Cornell) and the recently departed Dominic Moore (Harvard) and Chris Higgins (Yale). Hal Gill (Providence) and Brian Gionta (Boston College) both played in the Hockey East division, which plays games against Ivy League schools, especially in the Bean Pot and various tournaments. EDITNo doubt there have been busts come from the Q, but in recent memory I can think of three Ivy League players drafted in the first round: Higgins, Hugh Jessiman, and Sasha Pokulok. The list of first rounders coming out of the Q isn't fantastic either, but it is better than what comes out of the Ivy League, and it is against the Ivy League that Leblanc would have played 22 out of 30 odd games. We want him in the Ivy League for 8-10 games against maybe stronger competition? Looking at Harvard's schedule for the upcoming season, they play 29 games and those out of conference games are against Merrimack, Army, Vermont, Boston U, and Northeastern. I don't know much about the strength of the NCAA individual conferences nowadays, but it lookd like only BU is a "strong" team. Wouldn't we rather him get accustomed to the longer schedule in the Q ... and IMO, yes, better competition. I think you underestimate the quality of those teams, but obviously until they start playing each other it will be impossible to say for sure. As I have stated in the past two USHL teams DID play a mini-tournament against two QMJHL teams recently, and fought them to a draw, and of course the USHL is inferior to the NCAA. As for the longer schedule, I don't get the obsession. In fact, studies have shown that too many games is detrimental to skill development, something both the Europeans and now the Americans, have known and have acknowledged. Getting used to a longer schedule should be the LAST step in a player's development, if you ask me, and one that is usually accomplished by playing a year or two in the AHL, something Louis Leblanc will almost certainly do, regardless of whether he plays in the Q or NCAA. So the main, or at least a key benefit to him joining the Q would be taken care of next year anyways. I am not saying all players should go the NCAA route. Far from it. I don't think there is a cookie-cutter approach to player development. I think you need to look at each player's situation and make a decision based on that. For example, I think Jared Tinordi going to London of the OHL is a sound decision. But Tinordi's situation is different from Leblanc's, and I worry that he is going to get the Ribeiro/Latendresse treatment here in Montreal. Which obviously did not work out too well for us. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2010 11:13:36 GMT -5
OK ... so how many solid NHLers came from the Ivy League? Well, on the Habs alone you have Jeff Halpern (Princeton), Ryan O’Byrne (Cornell) and the recently departed Dominic Moore (Harvard) and Chris Higgins (Yale). Hal Gill (Providence) and Brian Gionta (Boston College) both played in the Hockey East division, which plays games against Ivy League schools, especially in the Bean Pot and various tournaments. Yep ... and we are the cream of the NHL (I dont mean that to be snarky to you either, I apologize in advance cause I know it sure seems that way). Third liners and avergae defensemen at best ... Gionta, meh, he isn't a first liner on many teams, and definitely not a player you can build a contender around. The Habs are proof positive that you can NOT build a team around the NCAA, and I'd go one step further and say that we are a shining example of what happens when you neglect the WHL (in particular) and concetrate on the US schools / Europeans in the first round of the draft ... Louis Leblanc has the potential (there is that word again ... gee I hate that word), to be an elite player. None of the above mentioned players were ever projected into what he can be .... But if that's the example ... I could start naming off the solid QMJHL players in the league and we can compare. I'll start with Crosby, Gagne, Richards, Robitaille, Lemieux, Hemsky, Giroux, and a host of NHL all star goalies ... if the Q produces the best goalies (it sure seems like it anyway), then his points sure look better scoring on them, than Johnny High IQ in the Ivy League. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 14, 2010 11:27:36 GMT -5
As for the longer schedule, I don't get the obsession. In fact, studies have shown that too many games is detrimental to skill development, something both the Europeans and now the Americans, have known and have acknowledged. Getting used to a longer schedule should be the LAST step in a player's development, if you ask me, and one that is usually accomplished by playing a year or two in the AHL, something Louis Leblanc will almost certainly do, regardless of whether he plays in the Q or NCAA. So the main, or at least a key benefit to him joining the Q would be taken care of next year anyways. I think in some cases the words "schedule" and "season" might be one in the same, BC. For many, training doesn't stop in the off-season. They show up for rookie camps, training camps, play the pre-season, play the regular season (where the chosen few attend the Jr National Team camp then play in the WJHC), playoffs and then for a few more chosen few, they even participate AHL playoffs. That's one hell of a tall order for any player. What really caught me off guard was Pierre Gauthier's comment yesterday in that the organization leaves it up to the players to decide which place is better for them to develop. In Tinordi's case I think he made the right choice to play not only in the OHL, but under Dale Hunter as well. Hunter is a proven OHL coach and winner. Leblanc? I'll make reference to your comment about "learning how to play against bigger, stronger men." I think I remember an example where some pundits were comparing the development of Alexandre Daigle to Alexei Ya$hin. Daigle had a stellar junior career, but his experience playing against bigger, stronger players, was minimal at best. Conversely, the experience Ya$hin gained playing with Moscow Dynamo contributed greatly to his development. The difference in successes between the two was credited by some as to the different paths they chose to get to the show. There are other examples if we look for them (no, I'm not going to look for any more. This was off the top of my head), but there are examples of where it didn't make any difference at all. Enter Radek Bonk. I had to go to hockeydb.com to find out that he was only 18 years old when he scored 42 goals for the Las Vegas Thunder. Now, his career wasn't all that bad; pretty ordinary at times; a few good years in Ottawa. And while I can't say for sure, I think playing with semi-pros did help him in some areas of his game; I mean playing for a guy like Butch Goring had to rub off on him in some way. But at the same time he didn't develop into the kind of player Ottawa thought they were getting. At least not in the long term anyway. Cheers. |
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 14, 2010 11:46:27 GMT -5
I don't think anybody outside of Montreal thinks Louis Leblanc has elite-level potential (there's that Montreal hype again). Even the respected Mattias Brunet thinks he's 2nd-3rd line material.
As for Quebec being a goalie factory, that may have been true in the past, but it hasn't really been the case of late. Only one QMJHL goalie has been drafted in the first round since 2004 (Jonathon Bernier) and only four others in the second round. So five goalies in seven years of drafting were taken in either the first or second round. Only Bernier has made it in the NHL. Since 2004 not one single goalie drafted after the second round from the Q has made it to the NHL. Not one.
Going back further, Marc-Andre Fleury was drafted 1st overall in 2003, and Jaro Halak of course made it to the NHL, though to be fair he was playing in Slovakia when drafted (but he did then move to the Q). Those were the only QMJHL goalies to make the NHL.
In 2002, Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers was drafted in the 2nd round, and has played 50+ games in the NHL.
In 2001 the only Quebec goalie to make it was Pascal Leclaire, drafted in the first round.
Not one single goalie drafted in 2000 from the Q made the NHL.
1999 saw Sebastien Caron play in the NHL, along with Maxime Ouellette (for a grand total of 12 games).
So going back over 10 years now there has been maybe 6-7 goalies from the QMJHL to just MAKE the NHL, and of those only a couple are considered above average. There are no QMJHL goalies projected to go in the first round next year, and only 1 or 2 maybes for the second round (though of course it is extremely early in the process and a lot can change).
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2010 11:48:07 GMT -5
A list compiled of all drafted players from the Ivy League
Legend:
black = played less than 100 games in the NHL
red = played over 100 games in the NHL
blue= played over 500 games in the NHL
Harvard
Danny Biega D 2010 NHL Entr Carolina
Ryan Maki R 2005 NHL Entry Nashville
Dov Grumet-Morris G 2002 NHL Entry Philadelphia
Ryan Lannon D 2002 NHL Entry Pittsburgh
Rob Flynn L 2002 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Kenny Smith D 2001 NHL Entry Edmonton
Dennis Packard L 2001 NHL Entry Tampa Bay
Dominic Moore C 2000 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Brett Nowak C 2000 NHL Entry Boston
Kyle Clark R 1999 NHL Entry Washington
Steve Moore F 1998 NHL Entry Colorado
Chris Bala L 1998 NHL Entry Ottawa
Mark Moore D 1997 NHL Entry Pittsburgh
Craig MacDonald C 1996 NHL Entry Hartford
Ben Storey D 1996 NHL Entry Colorado
Craig Adams R 1996 NHL Entry Hartford
Ashlin Halfnight D 1994 NHL Entry Hartford
Sean McCann D 1994 NHL Supplemental Florida
Steve Martins C 1994 NHL Supplemental Hartford
Kirk Nielsen R 1994 NHL Supplemental Philadelphia
Aaron Israel G 1993 NHL Entry Philadelphia
Tripp Tracy G 1993 NHL Entry Philadelphia
Steven Flomenhoft C 1992 NHL Supplemental Ottawa
Allain Roy G 1989 NHL Entry Winnipeg
Kevin Sneddon 1989 NHL Entry Los Angeles
C.J. Young R 1989 NHL Supplemental New Jersey
Mike Francis G 1988 NHL Entry St. Louis
Tod Hartje C 1987 NHL Entry Winnipeg
Tim Barakett 1986 NHL Supplemental New Jersey
Randy Taylor D 1986 NHL Supplemental Pittsburgh
Lane MacDonald L 1985 NHL Entry Calgary
Jerry Pawloski 1985 NHL Entry Hartford
Grant Blair G 1983 NHL Entry Calgary
Scott Fusco C 1982 NHL Entry New Jersey
John Hynes G 1978 NHL Amateur Colorado
John Cochrane 1978 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Jack Hughes D 1977 NHL Amateur Colorado
Jim Trainor D 1977 NHL Amateur Philadelphia
Brian Petrovek G 1975 NHL Amateur Los Angeles
Dave Bell 1975 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Dave Hynes L 1971 NHL Amateur Boston
Doug Elliott D 1971 NHL Amateur Pittsburgh
Jim Trainor D 1977 WHA Amateur Cincinnati
Dave Bell 1975 WHA Amateur Edmonton
Brian Petrovek G 1975 WHA Amateur Edmonton
Providence
Cody Wild D 2006 NHL Entry Edmonton
Jon Rheault R 2006 NHL Entry Philadelphia
Jay Pemberton D 2003 NHL Entry Florida
Eric Lundberg D 2002 NHL Entry Colorado
Jon DiSalvatore L 2000 NHL Entry San Jose
Nolan Schaefer G 2000 NHL Entry San Jose
Jay Leach D 1998 NHL Entry Phoenix
Mike Farrell R 1998 NHL Entry Washington
Richard Miller D 1997 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Brad Mullahy G 1991 NHL Supplemental Winnipeg
Mike Boback C 1990 NHL Entry Washington
Lyle Wildgoose L 1990 NHL Supplemental Calgary
Mark Romaine G 1989 NHL Supplemental New Jersey
Sean Whitham D 1986 NHL Entry Buffalo
Gord Cruickshank 1985 NHL Entry Boston
Peter Taglianetti D 1983 NHL Entry Winnipeg
Chris Terreri G 1983 NHL Entry New Jersey
Jeff Hamilton F 1982 NHL Entry Buffalo
Steve Taylor 1981 NHL Entry Philadelphia
Gates Orlando F 1981 NHL Entry Buffalo
Tim Army F 1981 NHL Entry Colorado
Mario Proulx G 1981 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Dan Miele 1980 NHL Entry Washington
Randy Velischek D 1980 NHL Entry Minnesota
Kurt Kleinendorst F 1980 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Scot Kleinendorst D 1980 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Bruce Raboin 1980 NHL Entry Washington
Steve O'Neill W 1978 NHL Amateur Vancouver
John Sullivan W 1978 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Paul Stasiuk L 1978 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Frank Johnson D 1978 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Jim Korn D 1977 NHL Amateur Detroit
Randy Wilson W 1977 NHL Amateur Detroit
Tom Bauer W 1977 NHL Amateur Philadelphia
Dave Dornseif D 1976 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Bradley Wilson C 1976 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Ron Wilson 1975 NHL Amateur Toronto
John McMorrow 1975 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Steve Roberts D 1975 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Colin Ahern C 1977 WHA Amateur Cincinnati
Jim Korn D 1977 WHA Amateur New England
Tom Byers W 1977 WHA Amateur Cincinnati
Dave Dornseif D 1976 WHA Amateur Indianapolis
Ron Wilson 1974 WHA Amateur Houston
John McMorrow 1974 WHA Amateur Houston
Sean Shanahan L 1973 WHA Amateur Houston
Cornell
Sasha Pokulok D 2005 NHL Entry Washington
Jon Gleed D 2004 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Mitch Carefoot C 2004 NHL Entry Atlanta
Shane Hynes F 2003 NHL Entry Anaheim
Matt Moulson L 2003 NHL Entry Pittsburgh
David LeNeveu G 2002 NHL Entry Phoenix
Matthew McRae F 2000 NHL Entry Atlanta
Mark McRae D 2000 NHL Entry Atlanta
Matt Underhill G 1999 NHL Entry Calgary
Brian McMeekin D 1999 NHL Entry St. Louis
Jean-Marc Pelletier G 1997 NHL Entry Philadelphia
Ryan Hughes C 1990 NHL Entry Quebec
Etienne Belzile 1990 NHL Entry Calgary
Paul Dukovac D 1990 NHL Supplemental Vancouver
Joe Dragon C 1990 NHL Supplemental Pittsburgh
Jim Crozier G 1990 NHL Supplemental Hartford
Dan Ratushny D 1989 NHL Entry Winnipeg
Marc Deschamps 1989 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Dave Burke D 1989 NHL Entry Toronto
Alex Nikolic L 1989 NHL Entry Calgary
Stephane Gauvin 1989 NHL Entry Winnipeg
Corrie D'Alessio G 1988 NHL Entry Vancouver
Trent Andison 1988 NHL Entry Minnesota
Casey Jones 1987 NHL Entry Boston
Joe Nieuwendyk C 1985 NHL Entry Calgary
Chris Norton 1985 NHL Entry Winnipeg
Jim Edmands G 1984 NHL Entry Winnipeg
Gary Cullen C 1982 NHL Entry Detroit
Jeff Baikie W 1981 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Darren Eliot G 1980 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Roy Kerling C 1978 NHL Amateur Minnesota
Lance Nethery F 1977 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Robin Lang 1976 NHL Amateur Philadelphia
Kevin Walker 1974 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Bob Peace C 1973 NHL Amateur Toronto
Dave Elenbaas G 1972 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
George Kuzmicz D 1972 NHL Amateur Detroit
Peter Shier D 1975 WHA Amateur Cincinnati
John Harper 1974 WHA Amateur Toronto
Dave Groulx 1974 WHA Amateur Michigan
Brown
Brian Ihnacak C 2004 NHL Entry Pittsburgh
Brian Eklund G 2000 NHL Entry Tampa Bay
Pat Thompson D 1993 NHL Supplemental Anaheim
Jamie O'Brien 1992 NHL Supplemental Calgary
Geoff Finch G 1991 NHL Entry Minnesota 7
Mike Brewer 1991 NHL Supplemental Washington
Steven King R 1991 NHL Supplemental NY Rangers
Brad Kreick 1989 NHL Supplemental Detroit
Chris Harvey G 1988 NHL Supplemental Boston
John Franzosa G 1982 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Jim Lawson C 1978 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Rick Scully F 1978 NHL Amateur Los Angeles
Jimmy Bennett L 1977 NHL Amateur Atlanta
Mark Holden G 1977 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Mike Laycock G 1977 NHL Amateur Philadelphia
Jim Lundquist 1975 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Dave Given F 1974 NHL Amateur Buffalo
John Ahern 1974 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Kevin Smith D 1973 NHL Amateur NY Islanders
Curt Bennett C 1968 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Paul Stevenson 1975 WHA Amateur New England
Jim Lundquist 1975 WHA Amateur Houston
Dave Given F 1974 WHA Amateur Vancouver
Kevin Smith D 1973 WHA Amateur Chicago
Colgate
Mark Dekanich G 2006 NHL Entry Nashville
Kyle Wilson C 2004 NHL Entry Minnesota
Joey Mormina D 2002 NHL Entry Philadelphia
Bruce Gardiner C 1991 NHL Entry St. Louis
Chris MacKenzie C 1991 NHL Entry St. Louis
Alan Brown 1990 NHL Entry Washington
Troy Mohns 1990 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Jason Greyerbiehl 1989 NHL Entry Chicago
Karl Clauss 1989 NHL Supplemental Washington
Craig Woodcroft C 1988 NHL Entry Chicago
Shawn Lillie 1988 NHL Supplemental Pittsburgh
Todd Wolf 1988 NHL Supplemental Chicago
Bill McCreary L 1979 NHL Entry Toronto
Sandy Ross 1978 NHL Amateur Chicago
Ken Moodie 1978 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Bill Davis 1974 NHL Amateur Pittsburgh
Yale
David Meckler L 2006 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Chris Higgins L 2002 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Joe Callahan D 2002 NHL Entry Phoenix
Ryan Steeves C 2002 NHL Entry Colorado
John Emmons C 1993 NHL Entry Calgary
Jack Duffy D 1991 NHL Supplemental NY Islanders
Peter Allen D 1991 NHL Supplemental Boston
Ray Letourneau G 1990 NHL Supplemental Philadelphia
Craig Ferguson C 1989 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Mike O'Neill G 1988 NHL Supplemental Winnipeg
Erik O'Borsky 1987 NHL Entry NY Rangers
John Moore 1987 NHL Entry Hartford
Dave Baseggio D 1986 NHL Entry Buffalo
Bob Kudelski C 1986 NHL Supplemental Los Angeles
Bob Brooke C 1980 NHL Entry St. Louis
Mark Rodrigues G 1978 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Blair Wheeler 1978 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Chuck Carpenter 1975 NHL Amateur Los Angeles
D'Arcy Ryan F 1972 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Princeton
Matthew Maglione D 2001 NHL Entry Washington
Chris Corrinet W 1998 NHL Entry Washington
Jason Smith D 1993 NHL Entry Calgary
Mike McKee D 1990 NHL Supplemental Quebec
Andre Faust L 1989 NHL Entry New Jersey
Kevin Sullivan R 1987 NHL Entry Hartford
Cliff Abrecht D 1983 NHL Entry Toronto
Ed Lee W 1981 NHL Entry Quebec
Ron Dennis G 1980 NHL Entry Toronto
Jim Farrell C 1978 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Paul Dionne 1975 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Dave Kelley D 1977 WHA Amateur Cincinnati
Dartmouth
T.J. Galiardi W 2007 NHL Entry Colorado
Grant Lewis D 2004 NHL Entry Atlanta
Hugh Jessiman R 2003 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Lee Stempniak F 2003 NHL Entry St. Louis
Nick Boucher G 2000 NHL Entry Pittsburgh
Scott Fraser R 1991 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Steve Laurin G 1987 NHL Entry Hartford
Carey Wilson C 1980 NHL Entry Chicago
Chris McLaughlin 1978 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Fred Riggall 1972 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
NOTE: I will compile the llist of the other 3 schools too ... I wasnt sure of all the schools that played in the conference and not all of them are "Ivy League".
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 14, 2010 11:59:29 GMT -5
A list compiled of all drafted players from the Ivy League What about the players that were drafted from other leagues, and then went to Ivy League schools, like Gill, O'Byrne and Leblanc or who were signed after Ivy League careers, like Halpern or more famously Ken Dryden? |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2010 12:03:56 GMT -5
Union
Brandon Snee G 2000 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Reid Simonton D 1994 NHL Supplemental Quebec
Steve Baker G 1977 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Jim Baxter G 1977 NHL Amateur Detroit
Kip Churchill C 1977 NHL Amateur Detroit
Dean Willers L 1977 NHL Amateur Detroit
Steve Baker G 1977 WHA Amateur Birmingham
RPI
Jeff Foss D 2008 NHL Entry Nashville
Francois Senez D 2001 NHL Entry Detroit
Marc Cavosie W 2000 NHL Entry Minnesota
Danny Eberly D 2000 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Matt Murley L 1999 NHL Entry Pittsburgh
Andrew McPherson F 1999 NHL Entry Pittsburgh
Pete Gardiner F 1997 NHL Entry Chicago
Wayne Clarke 1992 NHL Entry Toronto
Brad Layzell D 1991 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Neil Little G 1991 NHL Entry Philadelphia
Xavier Majic C 1991 NHL Entry Vancouver
Bruce Coles L 1990 NHL Supplemental Mtl. Canadiens
Joe Juneau C 1988 NHL Entry Boston
Cam Brauer D 1988 NHL Entry Edmonton
Gavin Armstrong G 1987 NHL Entry Edmonton
Ryan Kummu D 1987 NHL Entry Washington
Maurice Mansi F 1985 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Ken Hammond D 1983 NHL Entry Los Angeles
John Shumski 1982 NHL Entry St. Louis
Marty Dallman C 1981 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Eric Magnuson F 1981 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Mike McPhee F 1980 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Larry Landon L 1978 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Kevin Constantine G 1978 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Don Boyd R 1978 NHL Amateur St. Louis
Steve Stoyanovich C 1977 NHL Amateur NY Islanders
Don Cutts G 1973 NHL Amateur NY Islanders
Steve Stoyanovich C 1977 WHA Amateur Calgary
Rick Marsh 1975 WHA Amateur Cleveland
Don Cutts G 1973 WHA Amateur Houston
St. Lawrence
Mike McKenna G 2002 NHL Entry Nashville
Ray DiLauro D 1999 NHL Entry Atlanta
Matt Oikawa W 1997 NHL Entry Washington
Bob Prier F 1996 NHL Entry Boston
Burke Murphy R 1993 NHL Entry Calgary
Spencer Meany F 1991 NHL Entry Buffalo
Michael Gaul D 1991 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Greg Carvel 1991 NHL Supplemental Pittsburgh
Martin Lacroix R 1990 NHL Entry NY Islanders
Dan Laperriere D 1989 NHL Entry St. Louis
Rob White 1988 NHL Entry Hartford
Mike Hurlbut D 1988 NHL Supplemental NY Rangers
Jamie Baker C 1988 NHL Supplemental Quebec
Joe Day C 1987 NHL Entry Hartford
Peter Lappin R 1987 NHL Supplemental Calgary
Russ Mann 1986 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Hank Lammens D 1985 NHL Entry NY Islanders
David Saunders L 1984 NHL Entry Vancouver
Kent Carlson D 1982 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Steve Smith 1982 NHL Entry Mtl. Canadiens
Ray Shero 1982 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Greg Francis 1978 NHL Amateur Philadelphia
George Goulakos 1978 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Brian Crawley 1978 NHL Amateur Detroit
Rick Wilson G 1978 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Ray Robertson 1977 NHL Amateur Toronto
Kevin Campbell D 1975 NHL Amateur Toronto
Kevin Campbell D 1975 WHA Amateur Houston
Former schools in the Ivy League conference (ECAC)
Army
Dan Hinote C 1996 NHL Entry Colorado
Vermont
Joe Fallon G 2005 NHL Entry Chicago
Patrick Sharp C 2001 NHL Entry Philadelphia
Jeff Miles R 2001 NHL Entry Chicago
Nolan McDonald G 1996 NHL Entry Vancouver
Tim Thomas G 1994 NHL Entry Quebec
Corey Machanic D 1991 NHL Entry NY Rangers
Joe McCarthy L 1991 NHL Supplemental Toronto
Brendan Creagh D 1991 NHL Supplemental Los Angeles
Ian Boyce L 1989 NHL Supplemental Buffalo
Jeff Schulman 1989 NHL Supplemental Boston
Stephane Venne D 1988 NHL Entry Quebec
Jerry Tarrant D 1988 NHL Supplemental Calgary
Jeff Capello L 1986 NHL Supplemental Buffalo
Tom Draper G 1985 NHL Entry Winnipeg
Richard Laplante F 1985 NHL Entry Chicago
Shannon Deegan F 1984 NHL Entry Los Angeles
Steve Kayser D 1983 NHL Entry Vancouver
Kirk McCaskill F 1981 NHL Entry Winnipeg
John O'Connor 1980 NHL Entry Vancouver
Serge Leblanc 1978 NHL Amateur Mtl. Canadiens
Ed Hill 1977 NHL Amateur Detroit
Randy Koch F 1975 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Bill Reber R 1975 NHL Amateur Los Angeles
John Glynne D 1975 NHL Amateur Pittsburgh
Tom McNamara G 1975 NHL Amateur NY Rangers
Tim O'Connell D 1973 NHL Amateur Buffalo
Joe Oslin 1976 WHA Amateur Cincinnati
John Glynne D 1975 WHA Amateur Houston
Randy Koch F 1975 WHA Amateur Calgary
Bill Reber R 1975 WHA Amateur Cincinnati
Tom McNamara G 1975 WHA Amateur Cleveland
Also note: John Leclair and Louis Leblanc are not listed .. they were drafted and then went to the Ivy League ... this list is players drafted out of the Ivy League so I am sure there are a few missing.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2010 12:09:04 GMT -5
Out of the entire history of the Ivy League players there are three maybe four NHL first liners. Nieuwendyk, Sharp, Joe Juneau. Then perhaps Moulson, and Stempniak. A caveat to McPhee who was possibly one of the best third liners ever .... a very good selection.
I'd prefer to develop that identity with the Q (or CHL players) players myself ... why go to the NCAAs for third and fourth liners? History has shown that your odds of finding that diamond in the rough there are slim to none.
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2010 12:12:32 GMT -5
A list compiled of all drafted players from the Ivy League What about the players that were drafted from other leagues, and then went to Ivy League schools, like Gill, O'Byrne and Leblanc or who were signed after Ivy League careers, like Halpern or more famously Ken Dryden? Gill and O'Byrne .... third pairings or 7th d-man Halpern ... third/fourth liner You can find them anywhere ... why go to the NCAAs for them? Our history selecting from the Ivy league and the NCAAs as a whole is downright dreadful (especially in the last 10 years). Why not give that Q player the nod ... the Ivy League (ECAC) isn't developing any better players than the Q .... |
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Post by franko on Sept 14, 2010 12:20:32 GMT -5
The Habs are proof positive that you can NOT build a team around the NCAA, and I'd go one step further and say that we are a shining example of what happens when you neglect the WHL (in particular) and concetrate on the US schools / Europeans in the first round of the draft ... Hab 'n' Cheese . . . did you invade Skilly's body? ;D |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2010 12:37:23 GMT -5
The Habs are proof positive that you can NOT build a team around the NCAA, and I'd go one step further and say that we are a shining example of what happens when you neglect the WHL (in particular) and concetrate on the US schools / Europeans in the first round of the draft ... Hab 'n' Cheese . . . did you invade Skilly's body? ;D LOL .... but really, most of us have pointed to the lack of toughness. Yet we stay away from the toughest junior league when it comes to drafting. The only explanation I can come up with is that in the early 90s , we bombed out of alot of picks from there. Now the Q isn't exactly a known for its toughness, and neither is the NCAAs (full shields kinda dampers the fighting, but shouldnt the body checks). We selected McDonnagh, O'Byrne, and Komisarek (to name a few, they were others) from the NCAAs for their toughness and intelligence .... if we shied away form the Dub because we missed on alot of picks, then by jove its time we forgot about the NCAAs for a little while too. |
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Post by Skilly on Sept 14, 2010 12:40:23 GMT -5
. What was that argument again, about the Q being a "better" league than NCAA? .... better than the ECAC.  They play 22 out of 29 games against pretty mild teams, IMO. |
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Post by seventeen on Sept 14, 2010 23:19:36 GMT -5
We may get a better idea of Louis' abilities in the WJC this year, assuming he makes the team. The initial camp showing was good, but we'll have to see how the December camp is. Subban was not great, not bad in his first WJC, but was an important cog in his second stint. That second showing really gave us a glimpse of what could be.
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They play 22 out of 29 games against pretty mild teams, IMO.