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Post by Skilly on Jan 4, 2010 13:57:23 GMT -5
So Pepsi bought the HHOF? The whole premise of a manufactured cheer is dumb to me. The hockey hall of fame putting a cheer and signees of the cheer into the HHOF is dumb to me .... i wish I could go to the Olympics and out yell them with the tried and true "Go Canada Go" Do people realize that this foolish cheer differs from what has been used in the past by three letters? The addition of "Eh" and the subtraction of a "G" ....  |
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Post by goingfornumber25 on Jan 4, 2010 14:27:15 GMT -5
well the HHOF is in toronto, where everything is available for corporate entities to purchase and flog. what a joke eh?! get it, eh? ah nevermind, yeah pepsi is just trying to get that dumb cheer going into the olympics where coke is the major sugar sponsor.
edit: didnt see skilly response at top of page 2, just read page 1.
coke, pepsi, its all just sugar and crap that is devoid of anything but rotting your teeth, throat and stomach lining. but man does it taste good!
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Post by Skilly on Jan 4, 2010 21:55:04 GMT -5
well the HHOF is in toronto, where everything is available for corporate entities to purchase and flog. what a joke eh?! get it, eh? As soon as they choose the one with "eh" in it ..... I cringed. How typically Canadian huh? I mean I've never heard anyone out east ever say it. Newfoundlanders usually use "luh" or "b'ye" , but I digress. As you said ...developed for central Canada .... I do wonder how often it is used out west, where the Olympics are ... |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 4, 2010 22:24:21 GMT -5
Well, 'eh' is fairly generically Canadian, even out West. I have not heard (and will most certainly cringe) anyone using the "cheer that shall not be named'. You can't force people to cheer a certain way. It either sounds good or it dies.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 5, 2010 0:58:08 GMT -5
Finland beat Russia 4-3 in the 5th/6th place game.
For Finland, Simila got his second sniff of action starting the game and gave up 2 goals on 8 shots. He was replaced in the second.
Nattinen had one assist and reportedly got lots of ice time. Trunev had a goal and an assist in the game, so he seemed to have woken up a bit from his previous slumber.
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Post by ValkyrieNS on Jan 5, 2010 6:21:27 GMT -5
So Pepsi bought the HHOF? The whole premise of a manufactured cheer is dumb to me. Well, I didn't say that the entire premise wasn't hokey  And in our house we use CA-NA-DA when we cheer with actual words... usually it's just me screeching and hollering "wOOt" [and Mr. Val cringing and whining: "geez, you're loud, my ears!"] I was planning on going to the gym tonight, but with 3 different games to keep track of (2 Juniors + the boys), that plan is being scrapped  |
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Post by goingfornumber25 on Jan 5, 2010 15:08:40 GMT -5
this is just pepsi's way of getting their foot into the olympics with a cheer. coke is the major sponsor of vancouver 2010, and pepsi thinks that by making up some stupid cheer. it reminds me of aussie aussie aussie oy oy oy that i must have heard close to 100,000 times when i was in sydney in 2000.
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 5, 2010 21:58:14 GMT -5
You all know what I think of the cheer...  ======================= Anyway....Canada in tough... down 5-3 after goalie Jake Allen can't handle a soft shot....bad rebound off the glove.....and Stefan beats all defenders to the puck and puts it in. Allen pulled. 12:00 to go. Still time. But the States look good. Miller and McGuire already dealing excuses..... Palmeiri goes off for slamming into Jones. PP Canada. Scores! Eberle. 5-4. 2:49 left. Canada all over the U.S. Eberle again....5-5! |
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 5, 2010 22:16:45 GMT -5
To a 20-minute 5-on-5 OT....then a SO if necessary.
What a tournament for Eberle.
EDIT: Nope...it's 20-minutes 4-on-4. Shouldn't need a shootout.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 5, 2010 22:24:11 GMT -5
Eberle just has so much ice in his veins. He gets so many important goals despite a tremendous effort by the US, who have played very well. It wouldn't be surprising if the US won, they're a very good team and their goaltender looks sharper than ours. One thing that seems evident, the Canadians are not getting a lot of production out of their centres. Kadri could have had several goals tonight, but he just has no shot to speak of and he tends to be selfish with the puck. Sounds like the perfect Leaf . Kozun has been flying tonight. Should be interesting to see how the US handles snapping a tie from the jaws of victory. |
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Post by Douper on Jan 5, 2010 22:38:29 GMT -5
Eberle is a Junior Hockey God!
If he scores the winner in OT they should put him in the Hockey Hall of Fame....Tomorrow.
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Post by Douper on Jan 5, 2010 22:40:15 GMT -5
on a habs note, Kristo has wheels!
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 5, 2010 22:40:42 GMT -5
A 3-on-1.....U.S. wins it. Congrats.
Great tournament.
Well done, Canada!
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Post by Douper on Jan 5, 2010 22:42:00 GMT -5
Yup well done.... 5 golds and a silver...
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 5, 2010 23:22:18 GMT -5
McGuire just can't help himself. Post-game....compares Eberle to Joe Mullen
Paraphrased:
I don't want to come across as a smart-guy here...but Jordan Eberle reminds of Joe Mullen...a player I coached and won two Stanley Cups with on the Pittsburgh Penguins. I told Jordan Eberle about that, and he didn't know who Joe Mullen was...so he youtubed him, came back to me and said, "Thanks for the compliment." I can honestly say this looking right in the camera....Joe Mullen was a great player and a great person...and Jordan Eberle is his equal.
I heard him relate this story earlier in the tournament as well....complete with the coach/Stanley Cup credentials.
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Post by Anardil1 on Jan 5, 2010 23:44:19 GMT -5
So Pepsi bought the HHOF? The whole premise of a manufactured cheer is dumb to me. HEAR HEAR!!! Just to add...What was the crowd screaming during Canada's 3rd period comeback? Pepsi's gonna have to come up with a better brainwa...marketing strategy. ;D |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 6, 2010 1:23:38 GMT -5
McGuire just can't help himself. Post-game....compares Eberle to Joe Mullen Paraphrased:
I don't want to come across as a smart-guy here...but Jordan Eberle reminds of Joe Mullen...a player I coached and won two Stanley Cups with on the Pittsburgh Penguins. I told Jordan Eberle about that, and he didn't know who Joe Mullen was...so he youtubed him, came back to me and said, "Thanks for the compliment." I can honestly say this looking right in the camera....Joe Mullen was a great player and a great person...and Jordan Eberle is his equal.I heard him relate this story earlier in the tournament as well....complete with the coach/Stanley Cup credentials. McGuire reinforces why he is a blow hard. Too bad, as this is a great event, that needs to focus on the kid talent rather than some idiot's ego. Oh well, most of us real hockey fans enjoyed the show of these 17-20 year olds. Lots of mistakes, but far more intensity and passion than is normally seen in any given NHL game. Welcome to the juniors! Hope folks enjoyed the show and turned McGuire down a bit. |
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Post by franko on Jan 6, 2010 7:17:56 GMT -5
Lots of mistakes, but far more intensity and passion than is normally seen in any given NHL game. sometimes I think the Habs have 1 out of the 2 . . . and it ain't passion that we see very often. a great watch because of the passion. good on the US for winning, and I as much as I'da like the Canadians to win [patriotism and all that] I think its better for the tournament that they didn't. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 6, 2010 7:46:13 GMT -5
I think its better for the tournament that they didn't. Agreed. This tournamnet means very little outside of Canada. I was talking to a few American friends last night via MSN and the didn't even know USA was in the final. I was reading an article just after Xmas that suggested that if it weren't for TSNs huge marketing blitz, trying to make the WJC a Xmas tradition and all that, that the tourney would probably be dead. |
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Post by franko on Jan 6, 2010 9:41:29 GMT -5
I think its better for the tournament that they didn't. Agreed. This tournamnet means very little outside of Canada. I was talking to a few American friends last night via MSN and the didn't even know USA was in the final. I was reading an article just after Xmas that suggested that if it weren't for TSNs huge marketing blitz, trying to make the WJC a Xmas tradition and all that, that the tourney would probably be dead. It's a Christmas tradition in Canada only, methinks . . . which is why it is held in Canada so often. |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 6, 2010 9:58:53 GMT -5
The WJC is the best hockey tournament short of the Olympics, and that's why it should be celebrated.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 6, 2010 10:34:42 GMT -5
The WJC is the best hockey tournament short of the Olympics, and that's why it should be celebrated. Only in Canada. I am willing to bet the Spengler Cup got more TV coverage than the WJC did in Switzerland. I think the World Cup ranks up there too... and some European players think the World Championships every year is more important than the Stanley Cup. So you don't consider the Stanley Cup playoff a tournament? |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 6, 2010 14:14:42 GMT -5
Two assists for Danny Kristo but I missed some of the game and didn't see that much of him. Anyone get a good look?
Still a good tournament for Kristo with 8 points in 7 games (5G, 3A). His 5 goals were third on the team behind Chris Kreider (who looked dangerous throughout) and Jerry D'Amigo, and his 8 points trailed only Stepan, D'Amigo, and Palmieri.
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 6, 2010 14:57:31 GMT -5
The WJC is the best hockey tournament short of the Olympics, and that's why it should be celebrated. Only in Canada. I am willing to bet the Spengler Cup got more TV coverage than the WJC did in Switzerland. I think the World Cup ranks up there too... and some European players think the World Championships every year is more important than the Stanley Cup. So you don't consider the Stanley Cup playoff a tournament? No, I don't consider the Stanley Cup playoff a great tournament because it's dictated by teams' payroll and revenue. It's tainted with business decisions which affect the teams involved. It's a tournament of the teams within a set of rules, but it doesn't pit the best against the best. It pits the best against the best under a set of constraints by which the teams have to follow and negotiate. Sure, the World Cup is good (when they have it) but it's been held 2 times the last 15 years and it really only pits NHL talent against one another since the European seasons have already started when it happens in September. Supposedly it'll happen again in 2011, but we'll see. The WJC is dictated by the best of the best in terms of players. Every country is fielding their best talent on the ice. There are very few players who are held away from the tournament relative to the World Championship (which is garbage in my opinion, due to the number of players not able to play in it) which allows it to pit the best players against one another and actually generate a true champion, not just a champion-of-teams-which-had-players-available. That's why the Olympics are great, because it has the fewest number of players held back by their professional clubs. Best against best. Anything less is substandard. I don't care about television coverage or popularity in Switzerland. It has no bearing on the quality of hockey. The Spengler Cup is an invitational, hosted in Davos. Aside from the fan bases of the teams involved, residents of Switzerland (or even just Davos), and the family and friends of the players on "Team Canada" I don't see why anyone would care. It doesn't pit the best of anything against anyone. One Czech team, one Russian team, HC Davos, "Team Canada" and a German invitee. Where's the best anything in this tournament? I suspect the only reason the WJC isn't held very high in other countries is because it's kids who play in it. Or they haven't watched it. It's phenomenal hockey every year, and clearly the best annual hockey tournament in my mind. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 6, 2010 15:14:59 GMT -5
I agree with some of what you say
.... but players get held back from the WJC too. So it is not in fact a best on best tournament. It is, to use your words, a champion of what's available. The NHL holds back many players every year. Also, in the past team USA never had cuts ... this was the first year they had a competition to get their best players on the ice.
A tournament is based on "teams" not just countries.. The NHL Stanley Cup tournament has the 16 best teams, quite possibly the 16 best club teams world-wide. (I am sure their are some club teams that could squeak in there, so say 16 of the top 25 or so club teams world-wide). The Montreal Canadiens will ice their best team against the best team of their opposition. It is a best on best competition.
International tournaments also face contraints by which all team have to follow. The Olympics for instance, you can't take cold medicine .... just as an example. Also, Hockey Canada pours more money into the U20 than say Latvia ..... so there is financial constraints too.
The World Cup is looked down upon (twice in 15 years) but the Olympics are heralded (3 times in 8 years) .... the Olympics basically pit NHL on NHL too with a skattering of European club players.
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Post by oldhabsfan on Jan 6, 2010 15:28:48 GMT -5
Two assists for Danny Kristo but I missed some of the game and didn't see that much of him. Anyone get a good look? Still a good tournament for Kristo with 8 points in 7 games (5G, 3A). His 5 goals were third on the team behind Chris Kreider (who looked dangerous throughout) and Jerry D'Amigo, and his 8 points trailed only Stepan, D'Amigo, and Palmieri. I didn't notice Kristo as much as I did in the previous games against Canada and Sweden, but I saw some good offensive moves from him, and some good work killing penalties. I think he will make a useful NHLer, maybe with luck around the Gionta/Koivu bracket. I'm thinking that a lot will depend on how his drive holds up into the NHL, and on how much muscle he can add in the next two or three years without damaging his speed. If he can play in the NHL at 190 pounds (against the current reported 180) it would help a lot. I suppose 185-187 is more likely, but that would be more than Koivu. Much depends on how he deals with the young millionaire syndrome (think Sergei K.). So I'm not into optimistic prophecy, but I think the odds are in our favour. |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 6, 2010 15:38:38 GMT -5
A tournament is based on "teams" not just countries.. The NHL Stanley Cup tournament has the 16 best teams, quite possibly the 16 best club teams world-wide. (I am sure their are some club teams that could squeak in there, so say 16 of the top 25 or so club teams world-wide). The Montreal Canadiens will ice their best team against the best team of their opposition. It is a best on best competition. Yes, within the constraints of the NHL, which is one of several professional leagues and does not house all the highest talent in the world. It's a best-of-the-NHL tournament, and while the NHL is the highest level of professional competition for hockey, it's not the be-all-end-all. It's a good tournament, but it drags on and on for 2 months and wears me out. If I have a choice to watch game 3 of the Stanley Cup Final or a Czech-Russian final of the WJC, I'd pick the Czech-Russian game every time. Now, I'll give you that not all of the best players will be at the Olympics (Anze Kopitar as an example, will likely never see the Olympics), but it's the closest thing to it in my mind. National pride dwarfs club pride as well, so there's more on the line. International tournaments also face contraints by which all team have to follow. The Olympics for instance, you can't take cold medicine .... just as an example. Also, Hockey Canada pours more money into the U20 than say Latvia ..... so there is financial constraints too. Yes, but there are no player constraints on who you can bring to the tournament. The financial constraints you listed are rather abstract, because they're self-imposed. The medical constraints are there for the interest of removing performance enhancing medicines, not to level the playing field. The World Cup is looked down upon (twice in 15 years) but the Olympics are heralded (3 times in 8 years) .... the Olympics basically pit NHL on NHL too with a skattering of European club players. But that's not because they aren't available, which is often the case in the World Cup. Every league makes their players available to the Olympics and many even halt play like the NHL does. |
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Post by oldhabsfan on Jan 6, 2010 16:14:23 GMT -5
[quote author=oldhabsfan board=Scouting thread=14671 post=318423 time=1262809728
Kristo... pounds... current reported 180 [/quote]
hockeydb has Danny Kristo at 184 pounds now. That's getting up toward a serviceable NHL heft. Let's hope he can add a little more muscle yet.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 9, 2010 0:27:48 GMT -5
Petteri Simila, hot off a rather unremarkable two periods of shaky play at the WJC is moving from bottom feeder Niagara to first place Barrie Colts. Obviously a throw in for this deal that also sees WJC star Pietrangelo (and McGuire monster favourite) as well as feisty forward DeSousa (whom I really liked this past draft and was hoping the Habs would pick in a later round). Barrie is stockpiling for a Memorial Cup run it would seem. They sent about 101 draft picks back the other way. www.niagaraicedogs.net/article/icedogs-and-colts-complete-big-trade |
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