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Post by Lord Bebop on Dec 20, 2009 16:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by goingfornumber25 on Dec 20, 2009 16:58:28 GMT -5
the ribiero trade should be on that list imo.
also wasn't markus naslund traded for alex stojanov?
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Post by blny on Dec 20, 2009 20:18:39 GMT -5
GFN25, you're right about the Naslund deal. That was a terrible trade by Patrick. The Pens had such depth at forward that Markus didn't get top line minutes. They didn't recognize his value. Be it Patrick's mistake, or their pro scouts, they dropped the ball big time.
The Ribs trade was a dump. Had Mike had a better reputation around the league, and Montreal's desire to get rid of him not so apparent, they may have been able to get more.
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 20, 2009 23:44:12 GMT -5
The Cam Nealy trade was bad as well.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 21, 2009 11:29:21 GMT -5
God, those Islander trades are AWFUL.
In two deals, Mike Milbury traded:
Zdeno Chara
Jason Spezza (pick traded to OTT)
Roberto Luongo
Olli Jokinen
And got back...
Alexei Yashin
Mark Parrish
Oleg Kvasha
You talk about who got the best player in the deal, how about two deals where ALL of the guys you give up are better than ANY of the guys you get back? Obviously, Jokinen and Luongo were prospects at the time but they were both high level prospects. And Yashin was a known head case. Milbury knew the risk he was taking.
Really, the Islanders are still a mess because of those deals.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 21, 2009 11:29:25 GMT -5
the ribiero trade should be on that list imo. also wasn't markus naslund traded for alex stojanov? The Markus Naslund trade, nor the cam Neely trade, count .... the article is the worst trades of the decade 2000-2009. Naslund was dealt March 20, 1996 |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 21, 2009 13:02:21 GMT -5
God, those Islander trades are AWFUL. In two deals, Mike Milbury traded: Zdeno Chara Jason Spezza (pick traded to OTT) Roberto Luongo Olli Jokinen And got back... Alexei Yashin Mark Parrish Oleg Kvasha You talk about who got the best player in the deal, how about two deals where ALL of the guys you give up are better than ANY of the guys you get back? Obviously, Jokinen and Luongo were prospects at the time but they were both high level prospects. And Yashin was a known head case. Milbury knew the risk he was taking. Really, the Islanders are still a mess because of those deals. But, BH, Milbury is a respected analyst on HNIC. There has to be one or two people out there who respect him and, unfortunately, they all work in the decision department of CBC. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 21, 2009 13:30:35 GMT -5
Amazing, 17. He's one of talking heads on NESN too.
Shows that like a good doctor, the golden rule of being a GM is "first, do no harm." If I were an Islanders fan I'd still wake up in cold sweats over what Milbury did to a once proud franchise. To even have those kinds of players to lose is hard enough to begin with, to actually lose them all for such a lousy return....unbelievable.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 21, 2009 18:50:08 GMT -5
the ribiero trade should be on that list imo. also wasn't markus naslund traded for alex stojanov? Agree 100% Gainey didn't check for injuries or age. Reminded me of Savard for Chelios. Count the games played!! |
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Post by Tankdriver on Dec 21, 2009 19:52:06 GMT -5
the ribiero trade should be on that list imo. also wasn't markus naslund traded for alex stojanov? The Markus Naslund trade, nor the cam Neely trade, count .... the article is the worst trades of the decade 2000-2009. Naslund was dealt March 20, 1996 My bad. Just had read some artcicle on the soon to be 100 years of the NHL. |
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Post by The New Guy on Dec 22, 2009 8:07:31 GMT -5
The Markus Naslund trade, nor the cam Neely trade, count .... the article is the worst trades of the decade 2000-2009. Naslund was dealt March 20, 1996 My bad. Just had read some artcicle on the soon to be 100 years of the NHL. If we're doing all-time, then you've got to include the Hull deal (Ramage/Wamsley for Hull/Bozek - although the Flames went on to win a cup with Ramage and Wamsley, neither was critical to the success of that team, while Hull went on to be one of the league's most talented snipers), the Esposito deal (Martin/Norris/Marotte for Esposito/Hodge/Stanfield - Martin was good for the Hawks, but not as good as Stanfield was for the Bruins, to say nothing about Hodge and Esposito) and the biggest mistake of all time, the Lindros deal (Forsberg/Hextall/Duschene/Ricci/Simon/1st Round Pick (Thibault)/15 million dollars for Lindros - aside from the fact that that's way too much to give up for one player, Forsberg and Lindros were, when both were healthy, about the same caliber of player. Hell, Forsberg might have even been a better player. The rest - a good goalies, a couple decent blueliners, a defensive forward, an agitator, a first rounder and 15 million dollars is a ridiculous payout). As for this past decade - two names. Rask. Raycroft. Enough said. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 22, 2009 8:15:56 GMT -5
My bad. Just had read some artcicle on the soon to be 100 years of the NHL. If we're doing all-time, then you've got to include the Hull deal (Ramage/Wamsley for Hull/Bozek - although the Flames went on to win a cup with Ramage and Wamsley, neither was critical to the success of that team, while Hull went on to be one of the league's most talented snipers), the Esposito deal (Martin/Norris/Marotte for Esposito/Hodge/Stanfield - Martin was good for the Hawks, but not as good as Stanfield was for the Bruins, to say nothing about Hodge and Esposito) and the biggest mistake of all time, the Lindros deal (Forsberg/Hextall/Duschene/Ricci/Simon/1st Round Pick (Thibault)/15 million dollars for Lindros - aside from the fact that that's way too much to give up for one player, Forsberg and Lindros were, when both were healthy, about the same caliber of player. Hell, Forsberg might have even been a better player. The rest - a good goalies, a couple decent blueliners, a defensive forward, an agitator, a first rounder and 15 million dollars is a ridiculous payout). As for this past decade - two names. Rask. Raycroft. Enough said. I think the Courtnall for Kordic trade was pretty lopsided too |
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Post by habernac on Dec 22, 2009 10:12:28 GMT -5
New_Guy, the Hull trade was instrumental in the Flames win. Gary Suter was injured for almost the entire playoff run, Ramage filled in admirably.
Patrick Roy to the Avs for a bag of used jock straps was a pretty terrible trade, too.
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Post by blny on Dec 22, 2009 11:49:16 GMT -5
New_Guy, the Hull trade was instrumental in the Flames win. Gary Suter was injured for almost the entire playoff run, Ramage filled in admirably. Patrick Roy to the Avs for a bag of used jock straps was a pretty terrible trade, too. Like Gretzky, when you trade a Roy you never get enough in return really. In the end we got one serviceable and relatively consistent player, a super talented guy with no work ethic and a goalie that couldn't handle the pressure. On paper, there were some good pieces. Rucinsky was a good NHLer. Kovalenko had the talent to be a great NHLer, but was out of shape all the time. He was the second coming of Vladamir Krutov. Thibault never had a chance in Montreal. He had the impossible task of being the next one. Not even a good mentor in Andy Moog could help. Perhaps a more seasoned mgt group does a better job with the whole saga and Roy stays. Perhaps he doesn't, but a more seasoned group gets a better return. For me, considering the fact they almost traded Patrick to Detroit for Yzerman, I'd have started at either Sakic or Forsberg. "You want our best player, you'd best be prepared to give up one of your best. Instead, we got quantity over supreme quality. I think the worst part of the deal may have been having to give up Keane. Lacroix was smart to get him included. He was an instrumental part of that first Cup run. |
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Post by The New Guy on Dec 23, 2009 10:19:21 GMT -5
New_Guy, the Hull trade was instrumental in the Flames win. Gary Suter was injured for almost the entire playoff run, Ramage filled in admirably. Patrick Roy to the Avs for a bag of used jock straps was a pretty terrible trade, too. Possibly (I was rather young at the time, and reading articles doesn't fill in all the gaps, but even given that I think the trade is still dubious. It's not as if we're talking Iginla for Nieuwendyk - where you trade potential for help now. For one, the trade was the season before the Flames one the cup, and for another - as good as Ramage did in filling in for Suter, remember - he filled in for Suter. Meanwhile Hull went on to become one of the most lethal offensive forces in the league (third all time in goals). He had 41 goals and 43 assists in 79 games the first season after the trade (the year the Flames won the cup) - which would have put him fourth in scoring on the Flames behind Mullen, Loob and Gilmour. Rob Ramage had the worst point totals for any of the regular Calgary defensive crew, save Ric Nattress who saw only 38 games of work that season. They could've gotten that without trading Hull. As for the Roy deal, well that one was bad too. I just don't like mentioning it. Bad memories and all. |
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