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Post by CrocRob on Jan 13, 2010 13:10:28 GMT -5
Late last night I was informed by four sources from three countries (in a very short period of time between 2:00 and 2:30 am) that the Oilers and Canadiens had a deal in principle." Three of the sources felt it was done and would be announced "at any point now."
Today I have been calling around since 7:30 am to get as much info as possible, and while I don't believe the deal is 100% done yet, I do believe the two teams have worked something out that may still hinge on as one source put it..."A definitive, and highly likely circumstance occuring."
He left himself an out, but it's something to discuss in this very slow news week.
As a guess, Edmonton might be looking for a goaltender now that Khabi is done for the year (or so I'm told). And given they're talking about unloading contracts, perhaps Tom Gilbert (or *gasp* Sheldon Souray) could be on the way back?
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Post by blny on Jan 13, 2010 13:12:41 GMT -5
For me it ends with Penner. I have no interest in Souray. Most of their forwards are too small, even compared to ours. Gagner's intriguing, but along with the rest of the young group is having a terrible year.
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Post by franko on Jan 13, 2010 13:15:52 GMT -5
exactly. why would we move laterally or get mots?
I want improvement if we are going to make a trade!
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 13, 2010 13:18:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I would agree for the most part, though I do covet some of their defensemen. Gilbert, Smid and Lubo would all be excellent pickups if you ask me.
I would be disappointed if Halak was used to get assets who are struggling (and small to boot, like Cogliano, O'Sullivan and Gagner). Halak is on fire and has an impressive resumé to his name. We could do better.
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Post by blny on Jan 13, 2010 13:30:09 GMT -5
Smid, at this point, is still pretty cheap. Lubomir has an anvil of a contract. His cap hit is $5.6 million. Gilbert is more expensive than I thought he'd be. His contract is both long, and expensive imo. He's in the second year of a 6 year deal with a cap hit of $4 million. Realizing that Penner's not exactly cheap either, we'd likely have to send some salary back to make a deal work beyond this year.
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 13, 2010 13:35:57 GMT -5
I think that the best route for the franchise is to trade Hamrlik in the offseason (or at the deadline). Yes, he's our 2nd best defender but he's not going to be here beyond next season and next season isn't going to be a Cup-contending year. I guess he has an "anvil" of a contract as well, but I don't see many good defenders on the UFA market this season.
If that happens it clears more than enough cap space for any moves.
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Post by blny on Jan 13, 2010 13:53:19 GMT -5
Hamrlik is on my list as well, I don't think he's hard to move because he's got a year left on his deal. He could be of value to a few teams at the deadline.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 13, 2010 14:51:52 GMT -5
Let's play the guessing game ....
Brule and Dubnyk
for
S. Kosty and Halak
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 13, 2010 14:56:17 GMT -5
Hamrlik is on my list as well, I don't think he's hard to move because he's got a year left on his deal. He could be of value to a few teams at the deadline. Depends on how you look at it I guess… I can’t see a rebuilding team having much interest in Hamrlik, and it’s the rebuilding teams that would have the cap room next season to take advantage of that extra year. Maybe a little interest to act as a mentor, but I can’t see them giving up a whole heck of a lot for a $5.5 million mentor who will be a UFA at the end of next year. The contending teams would have an interest in Hamrlik for a Cup run, but probably no room to pay him next year. Certainly teams like Chicago, Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Vancouver and so on don’t. So I can’t see that extra year being of any value to them, and may actually be an impediment to making a deal. They’d be more interested in a rental, if you ask me. Given that he’s pretty overpaid in the grand scheme of things I would think that he would have a lot more value at next year’s deadline, when teams won’t have to worry about carrying that contract for too long. |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 13, 2010 15:01:47 GMT -5
Let's play the guessing game .... Brule and Dubnyk for S. Kosty and Halak That would be interesting if only for the fact that we'd own the #4, #5 and #6 picks in the 2005 NHL draft. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 13, 2010 15:06:32 GMT -5
Let's play the guessing game .... Brule and Dubnyk for S. Kosty and Halak That would be interesting if only for the fact that we'd own the #4, #5 and #6 picks in the 2005 NHL draft.  I am not sure if Edmonton can take on much more salary. I have to think that Lowe (if he is in sell mode and not save season mode) isn't looking to add salary, and he has to covet a goalie. I'd also hope that Gainey isn't looking to add salary and is trying to save his pennies to maybe add a piece at the deadline. EDIT: If only we could get the #1 from that year too! (or a reasonable hand drawn facsimile) |
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Post by franko on Jan 13, 2010 15:11:11 GMT -5
Let's play the guessing game .... Brule and Dubnyk for S. Kosty and Halak That would be interesting if only for the fact that we'd own the #4, #5 and #6 picks in the 2005 NHL draft. are we better? perhaps and perhaps not . . . but Brule seems susceptible to illness |
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 13, 2010 15:18:41 GMT -5
Hypothetical question, meant merely to keep you awake at night (assuming you have nothing else more pressing to keep you awake at night);
Would you give up The Brothers for the Oiler’s first round pick?
Give them up now that is. Not at the deadline when things are clearer, but right now, today, January 13, 2010. Without knowing where exactly that pick will be. Could be first overall, could be 10th or 12th overall. Could be the Brothers for Taylor Hall, could be the Brothers for… well, some Minnesota high school defenseman.
How big a gambler are you?
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 13, 2010 15:20:44 GMT -5
Brule is a good player who was misused in Columbus. That's not to say he's a fantastic player, but he could be a serviceable young center for us. Right handed to boot. Whether we have space for yet another small player is the question that needs answering.
I'm not sure about illness. His injuries as a pro have been:
Sternal Clavicular Sprain (sprained breastbone) (18 games)
Tonsilitis (3 games)
Broken Leg (18 games)
Swine Flu (4 games)
These aren't chronic injuries, which are the ones I feel you need to look out for. Groin or joint issues. Muscle sprains, etc.
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Post by franko on Jan 13, 2010 15:35:50 GMT -5
seems a chronic flu problem . . . maybe the swine flu problem?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 13, 2010 15:36:49 GMT -5
The Oilers need something to shake up their lineup. Their goaltending isn't the best and Halak or Price would give them a good start.
Sam Gagne and Sergei K played under Dale Hunter in London. I'm wondering what kind of chemistry these two would have if they were suddenly linemates at the NHL level.
Would I want the Oilers #1 pick? Sure. The way they're going it will be a pretty decent spot to pick from. Would I give up the Kostitsyns to do it? Not unless there's a chance at picking up a bonafide superstar-in-waiting, but I haven't heard any such hype.
Cheers.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 13, 2010 18:19:41 GMT -5
Seems like odd bed partners to me considering the Habs and Oilers are mirror images of each other with the exception we have better goaltending.
Not sure there is anyone that could significantly help us outside of Penner but does he supply the grit we need up front?
At least he's a consistent 20 goal guy but at what cost not to mention his salary coming back.
If Smuckland is actually right for a change it'll be interesting to see who's involved.IMO the Oilers will be dumping salary not taking any back.
HFTO
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Post by Marvin on Jan 13, 2010 18:30:44 GMT -5
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Post by HFTO on Jan 13, 2010 19:08:16 GMT -5
Pffft I pass on that deal really?  ......another smallish centre whom doesnt produce.... Brule is another story but again another smurf? Gainey's got to go..... the Oilers don't hold any of the answers were looking for. It's about time this team invest in some bigger sweaters instead of trying to fill the small ones in which we corner the market on. Go after a Scott Hartnell type player not another hobbit. HFTO |
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Post by jkr on Jan 13, 2010 21:08:23 GMT -5
From what I read here I have no interest. I heard on the FAN590 today that Khabibulin has had back surgery today. If the Oilers want Halak then Gainey should be able to extract a lot more value for him than Cogliano. The Oilers should write off this season & aim for next year. From reading posts on other forums, it seems that mainstream guys like Mckenzie & McGuire give this no credence. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 13, 2010 21:45:58 GMT -5
Hypothetical question, meant merely to keep you awake at night (assuming you have nothing else more pressing to keep you awake at night); Would you give up The Brothers for the Oiler’s first round pick? Give them up now that is. Not at the deadline when things are clearer, but right now, today, January 13, 2010. Without knowing where exactly that pick will be. Could be first overall, could be 10th or 12th overall. Could be the Brothers for Taylor Hall, could be the Brothers for… well, some Minnesota high school defenseman. How big a gambler are you? Depends on what else is in the deal. Edmonton can't take the brothers without sending something else our way. I don't want scrubs just to make it work for them .... But yes, I'd love to have that pick! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2010 23:41:44 GMT -5
Eklund again?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 13, 2010 23:59:52 GMT -5
From what I read here I have no interest. I heard on the FAN590 today that Khabibulin has had back surgery today. If the Oilers want Halak then Gainey should be able to extract a lot more value for him than Cogliano. The Oilers should write off this season & aim for next year. From reading posts on other forums, it seems that mainstream guys like Mckenzie & McGuire give this no credence. Yeah, Bhulin had the operation to sort out a herniated disc. That means the Oil are going to ride out the season with Deslauriers and young Dubnyk. Saw the latter's first NHL start last month when he lost 7-1. They are in the "fall for Hall" sweepstakes right now. With Paajarvi-Svensson and Eberle almost ready for primetime and a likely top two pick this summer, some of their underperforming young forwards may very well be expendible. I would target Penner, but he is one of the only big guys they have. I would take Paajarvi straight up for Halak. Sanford looked pretty shaky tonight in Hamilton in his first start since New Year's Eve after a shoulder injury in that game. I would expect a little goalie shopping would go on if Halak was moved. |
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Post by OopyDoopy on Jan 14, 2010 1:20:24 GMT -5
I will take Eberle for Halak +  EKlund, man talk about a guy that capitalized on the Lock out. Here is an interesting site, not sure if it has been posted here before or not. hockeybuzzhogwash.com/ |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 14, 2010 2:02:53 GMT -5
You see, I think the people who spend time refuting the rumours Eklund puts out don't seem to understand why he's popular. He's not popular because he hits trades early, it's well established that he doesn't. He's popular because everyone wants to talk about trades and signings. What the possibilities are, whether it's good value, etc. He is an outlet for that. And he provides an interactive service with a variety of features to satisfy that outlet for a minimal cost.
Does he have inside connections? Yeah. That's also well established. He also posts everything he hears from everyone, and possibly makes some stuff up too, which separates him from credentialed reporters like Bob McKenzie or Darren Dreger who have to verify everything they hear with multiple sources. Then again, McKenzie and Dreger aren't generating buzz and talk among hockey fans about trades.
I can tell you this much, if Darren Dreger decided to go out on his own and start DregerBuzz.com he would have as much success so long as he catered to the whim of his consumers like Eklund does.
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Post by jkr on Jan 14, 2010 8:23:58 GMT -5
From what I read here I have no interest. I heard on the FAN590 today that Khabibulin has had back surgery today. If the Oilers want Halak then Gainey should be able to extract a lot more value for him than Cogliano. The Oilers should write off this season & aim for next year. From reading posts on other forums, it seems that mainstream guys like Mckenzie & McGuire give this no credence. Yeah, Bhulin had the operation to sort out a herniated disc. That means the Oil are going to ride out the season with Deslauriers and young Dubnyk. Saw the latter's first NHL start last month when he lost 7-1. They are in the "fall for Hall" sweepstakes right now. With Paajarvi-Svensson and Eberle almost ready for primetime and a likely top two pick this summer, some of their underperforming young forwards may very well be expendible. I would target Penner, but he is one of the only big guys they have. I would take Paajarvi straight up for Halak. Sanford looked pretty shaky tonight in Hamilton in his first start since New Year's Eve after a shoulder injury in that game. I would expect a little goalie shopping would go on if Halak was moved. Plus isn't Hemsky also out for the season. I know it's a long haul but they should ride out the rest of the season and look for that top draft pick. |
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Post by clear observer on Jan 14, 2010 12:07:48 GMT -5
How big a gambler are you? Yes...provided I had a solid Amateur Scouting team....NO, if I didn't. *what I or anyone else from this community does late at night isn't and shouldn't be any of your concern, Mister Man!  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 14, 2010 12:32:07 GMT -5
Hamrlik is on my list as well, I don't think he's hard to move because he's got a year left on his deal. He could be of value to a few teams at the deadline. I think the reasoning is good; hefty contract leaving, but to me it would depend on just how they end up spending that extra cash. I think this might be an option for Edmonton if end up accommodating Souray by moving him out. Moving one veteran out, moving another in. Hey, I like Hamrlik. But, you guys are right about that contract. As I was saying, though, it would really depend who they bring in afterwards. Removing Hamrlik might save us some coin, but he's one of our better defenders. Wonder how Hammer would feel replacing Souray twice? Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 14, 2010 12:57:48 GMT -5
Go after a Scott Hartnell type player not another hobbit. HFTO I had to look up Cogliano on hockeydb.com, because I've only heard his name here and there in the past. The first thing I noticed was that he was a small, speedy forward who had a good junior career. I haven't followed the Oilers, so I don't know on what lines Cogliano plays, or what role he has on the club. Gilbert Brule? He's also 5' 10" to go with an outstanding junior career. Both supposedly have a lot of upside, but I see where you're coming from. I look at the root-source and I say, ok, let's have fun with it. For all we know Gainey could be talking to Dallas, Philadelphia or Detroit. Who knows? Heck, he could be just taking calls. I doubt we'd hear about anything beforehand anyway. Seems to be his way of doing business. Cheers. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 14, 2010 16:16:02 GMT -5
You see, I think the people who spend time refuting the rumours Eklund puts out don't seem to understand why he's popular. He's not popular because he hits trades early, it's well established that he doesn't. He's popular because everyone wants to talk about trades and signings. What the possibilities are, whether it's good value, etc. He is an outlet for that. And he provides an interactive service with a variety of features to satisfy that outlet for a minimal cost. Does he have inside connections? Yeah. That's also well established. He also posts everything he hears from everyone, and possibly makes some stuff up too, which separates him from credentialed reporters like Bob McKenzie or Darren Dreger who have to verify everything they hear with multiple sources. Then again, McKenzie and Dreger aren't generating buzz and talk among hockey fans about trades. I can tell you this much, if Darren Dreger decided to go out on his own and start DregerBuzz.com he would have as much success so long as he catered to the whim of his consumers like Eklund does. Absolutely correct. I have a hard time reading Eklund and principle in the same sentence, even if they are separated with a slash.  |
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......another smallish centre whom doesnt produce.... Brule is another story but again another smurf?
