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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 15, 2010 12:21:43 GMT -5
...just picked up a rumor that the HABS have acquired Frolov in exchange of Mara.
Take it with a salt shaker though...
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Post by roke on Jan 15, 2010 12:53:25 GMT -5
Interesting Doc. With Price not going to hit his bonus numbers, I think the numbers can work out in a Mara for Frolov swap, assuming the injury bug didn't eat up a tonne of cap room (I still don't understand how that works). I don't follow the Western Conference at all, but I'm curious as to why the Kings would want to trade a top 6 forward for a 5/6 defenseman; they're doing pretty well this year.
Frolov is a pending UFA, so it would probably be a rental deal for the rest of the year. I wouldn't want to see A. Kostitsyn involved in a trade, since Kostitsyn is locked down for 1 more year and has another before he can reach Unrestricted Free Agency.
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Post by jkr on Jan 15, 2010 12:59:06 GMT -5
Interesting Doc. With Price not going to hit his bonus numbers, I think the numbers can work out in a Mara for Frolov swap, assuming the injury bug didn't eat up a tonne of cap room (I still don't understand how that works). I don't follow the Western Conference at all, but I'm curious as to why the Kings would want to trade a top 6 forward for a 5/6 defenseman; they're doing pretty well this year. Frolov is a pending UFA, so it would probably be a rental deal for the rest of the year. I wouldn't want to see A. Kostitsyn involved in a trade, since Kostitsyn is locked down for 1 more year and has another before he can reach Unrestricted Free Agency. Mara is a UFA too but talent wise the deal favors Montreal. Why would the Kings do this one? |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 15, 2010 13:28:18 GMT -5
I have no idea why Montreal would do it. I guess if it's just Mara, sure. But expending futures on this season is pointless since we've no shot at keeping him.
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Post by Polarice on Jan 15, 2010 13:55:06 GMT -5
I think its a great deal...we'll miss Mara's toughness, but I'll take Frolov's offence.
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Post by LoupDogg on Jan 15, 2010 14:07:32 GMT -5
Any source?
Can't see that anywhere (apart from rumours sites)
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Post by franko on Jan 15, 2010 14:17:12 GMT -5
I don't follow the Western Conference at all, but I'm curious as to why the Kings would want to trade a top 6 forward for a 5/6 defenseman; they're doing pretty well this year. iirc, Frolov is on the "outs" in LA and there was talk that they'd be happy to be rid of him . . . but only iirc!  |
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Post by blny on Jan 15, 2010 14:20:16 GMT -5
It's not the first time this rumour has surfaced. His connection and past chemistry with Squid is the driving force. IMO Alexander is a more expensive Akost. We're trading one pending UFA for another, and given the cap room created by injuries this year we can certainly afford this swap in contracts.
I can't help but think this is part of something else. Why would we trade for Frolov AND keep Kostitsyn? When Andrei comes back we'll have virtually identical players, neither of whom is suited to a checking role.
Why would the Kings, who are having a good season, trade him for a pending UFA on the blue line? Talent-wise, the deal favors us.
I like Paul a lot, and would be sad to see him go. He's without doubt an outstanding locker room guy. While we have something of a glut of blue liners, you can never have too many going into the playoffs. That said, he could be replaced at the deadline should the need arise.
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Post by franko on Jan 15, 2010 14:20:55 GMT -5
How's this for a scouting report?
Is inconsistent in all areas of the game and needs to do a better job of bringing his 'A' game to the rink more often. Passes up too many shots.
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Post by blny on Jan 15, 2010 14:23:40 GMT -5
How's this for a scouting report? Is inconsistent in all areas of the game and needs to do a better job of bringing his 'A' game to the rink more often. Passes up too many shots.He definitely wouldn't come without baggage. He's well known. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 15, 2010 14:26:13 GMT -5
Any source? Can't see that anywhere (apart from rumours sites) ...just a note from a friend. as I said: .. Take it with a salt shaker though... |
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Post by blny on Jan 15, 2010 14:26:56 GMT -5
... haven't seen this on hfboards yet. They usually pop up there pretty quick.
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Post by OopyDoopy on Jan 15, 2010 14:30:46 GMT -5
This reminds me of the Riberio deal only in our favor, if it happens that is, which I have my doubts that it does in this form. Maybe Mara +
It just doesn't seem like equal value to me, but hey what the heck do I know.
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Post by Douper on Jan 15, 2010 14:39:26 GMT -5
I can see Frolov signing here in the summer anyways but JUST Mara? hmmmmm...... Sounds like a Niiniimara type deal for us!!
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 15, 2010 15:15:49 GMT -5
How's this for a scouting report? Is inconsistent in all areas of the game and needs to do a better job of bringing his 'A' game to the rink more often. Passes up too many shots.To complete the picture it also says: Has excellent size and reach. Can be an impact forward at both ends of the ice. Is great at maintaining possession of the puck in tight space and excels in the corners...and he has 2 30+ goals season in his last 4 years |
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Post by franko on Jan 15, 2010 16:26:52 GMT -5
How's this for a scouting report? Is inconsistent in all areas of the game and needs to do a better job of bringing his 'A' game to the rink more often. Passes up too many shots.To complete the picture it also says: Has excellent size and reach. Can be an impact forward at both ends of the ice. Is great at maintaining possession of the puck in tight space and excels in the corners...and he has 2 30+ goals season in his last 4 years Not ignoring the positives, Doc . . . just worried about the negatives . . .  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 18:33:09 GMT -5
...and he has 2 30+ goals season in his last 4 years Not to mention a right-handed shot, which we need! |
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Post by HFTO on Jan 16, 2010 0:26:45 GMT -5
..........and played great with Cammy With A Kots down for a while this would be huge in terms of solidifying the first line.
You'd think there would be more to follow after everyone is back.
This would be a good deal but I see nothing anywhere ...too bad.
HFTO
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Post by franko on Jan 16, 2010 10:10:39 GMT -5
not sure how things work, but we have $2.4 cap space and Frolov get $4 . . . so definitely salary moving if it were to happen [and because we're talking aobut it, it probably doesn't].
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Post by blny on Jan 16, 2010 11:28:10 GMT -5
Franko, Frolov wouldn't have $4 million left on his salary this year. Given the money we save from injuries, I'm pretty sure we can actually afford to bring him in without shedding any salary.
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Post by franko on Jan 16, 2010 11:57:40 GMT -5
Franko, Frolov wouldn't have $4 million left on his salary this year. Given the money we save from injuries, I'm pretty sure we can actually afford to bring him in without shedding any salary. ya, kinda figured that . . . we'd be up against the cap but not over. I guess the good Doc and I are on different wavelengths on this one. He sees Frolov as helping us into and even deeper into the playoffs . . . which may or may not happen [depends which side of the mini-wheat you get . . . another Kovy perhaps?] . . . I ask "why?" Is he the deal breaker that makes us a Cup contender? Probably not. Is he the guy that will take the bull by the horns and drag the team along with him? Uh-uh. What he may do is raise the flagging hopes of the less cynical . . . um realistic . . . um . . . whatever . . . among us until we crash and burn in the [perhaps] second round [and we need to land in 4th or 5th place for the possibility of that to happen]. Ya, today I'm jaded.  But still hopeful!!! |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 16, 2010 12:57:02 GMT -5
not sure how things work, but we have $2.4 cap space and Frolov get $4 . . . so definitely salary moving if it were to happen [and because we're talking aobut it, it probably doesn't]. Frolov's salary for the 2009-2010 season is 4 million ... Frolov's CAP HIT is only 2.9 million (and with more than half the season gone, the Habs would only be on the hook for less than 1.45 million) |
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Post by franko on Jan 16, 2010 13:22:57 GMT -5
Thanks . . . i keep forgetting about salary and cap hit . . . but other than that my reasoning is sound, isn't it? ;D
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Post by blny on Jan 16, 2010 14:34:27 GMT -5
The cap hit's a big difference, and makes for even more room.
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Post by clear observer on Jan 16, 2010 14:52:32 GMT -5
Frolov for Mara is a steal, IMO.
I do this deal in a heartbeat.
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Post by cigarviper on Jan 16, 2010 17:41:34 GMT -5
Later Paul...thanks for coming.
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Post by PTH on Jan 16, 2010 18:43:21 GMT -5
I can't see this happening, but I'd love for it to happen.
Mara was a temporary solution anyways, and Frolov as a rental would mean we could give him a test run, see if he fits in and "gels" (and would reassure Plekanec that we want to find solid players to play with him).... and if we choose to re-sign him, then Andrei is probably expendable. And I think Plekanec wouldn't be as irreplaceable if Frolov were an option, since I think Cammalleri can play center if need be.
Anyhoo, I'd be OK with giving up Mara and some futures, but probably not nearly as much as other teams are willing to give up to add some scoring for the playoff drive.
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Post by MC Habber on Jan 16, 2010 23:03:08 GMT -5
...and he has 2 30+ goals season in his last 4 years Also has 2 20ish goal seasons in the last 4 (based on his projected goals for this season). Seems wildly inconsistent. |
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Post by franko on Jan 17, 2010 0:01:22 GMT -5
Seems wildly inconsistent. In other words, a perfect Hab |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 17, 2010 13:29:12 GMT -5
I guess the good Doc and I are on different wavelengths on this one. He sees Frolov as helping us into and even deeper into the playoffs . . . which may or may not happen [depends which side of the mini-wheat you get . . . another Kovy perhaps?] . . . I ask "why?" Is he the deal breaker that makes us a Cup contender? Probably not. Is he the guy that will take the bull by the horns and drag the team along with him? Uh-uh. What he may do is raise the flagging hopes of the less cynical . . . um realistic . . . um . . . whatever . . . among us until we crash and burn in the [perhaps] second round [and we need to land in 4th or 5th place for the possibility of that to happen]. My only reasoning is why give up now while we're still well placed in a group of teams we can compete with? We knew from the get go that this team was no contender. Still, I feel you have to best you can. If anything it sends a message accross the league that in Montreal we want to compete and don't simply fold in January. This kind of thing can help (somewhat) when we'll need to retain or attract player. And it helps (a lot) when they'll need to retain or attract season tickets and corporate box buyers... |
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