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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2010 16:44:42 GMT -5
Apparently the Oilers and Blackhawks are interested. Curious as to what the return would have to be to make that kind of deal, though. Atlanta won't just want draft picks. tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=307228 |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 22, 2010 16:55:32 GMT -5
Apparently Kovalchuk also wants no part of a market where he'll be recognized walking down the street, as he values his private life. So I'm fairly certain he wouldn't re-sign in Calgary (or any Canadian market).
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Post by roke on Jan 22, 2010 17:19:45 GMT -5
Whatever Atlanta gets, I don't think it will be much. Waddell will find some way to bungle the transaction; I can't believe Waddell is still the GM there.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 22, 2010 23:40:57 GMT -5
He is one of the four best players in the league. He has to be worth double what Lecavalier is paid and three times what Gomez earns.
(Make that what Gomez is paid, not what he earns.)
Before shelling out a ton of players for him, he has to be signed long term. We don't need a three month rental.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2010 10:53:19 GMT -5
The K brothers and Spacek (yep, you have to take Spacek too Don) for Kovalchuk I'm a gambler Kovalchuck might just enjoy playing in a real hockey market, not many good players claim they don't like playing here in a packed Bell Center. And he wouldn't be the only top player in the lineup. Then, Price for Phaneuf straight up. Cap wise: intake: 13MM, out: 10.2, given our cushion and the money saved on the Markov injuries, it probably fits this year. Next summer would be quite a cap puzzle, but I'd hire Skilly and let him figure it out  |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 23, 2010 12:06:18 GMT -5
I don't think Calgary or Atlanta wouldn't even consider those trades. Well, Atlanta might, but why would Calgary want a young goaltender like Price when they've got Kiprusoff and Irving behind him.
Kovalchuk wouldn't re-sign here (nor could we afford him). A disaster it would be, in my opinion.
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2010 13:49:36 GMT -5
Calgary is going to be trading defense for scoring. IMO, I don't they're looking for goaltending.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2010 17:02:40 GMT -5
Calgary is going to be trading defense for scoring. IMO, I don't they're looking for goaltending. Perhaps Atlanta will be, though. |
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2010 17:17:16 GMT -5
Calgary is going to be trading defense for scoring. IMO, I don't they're looking for goaltending. Perhaps Atlanta will be, though. Maybe, but I didn't see that above. I saw two Habs trades. I think Atlanta's pretty happy with Ondrej Pavelic. He's young, and battled some consistency, but he's got a lot of talent. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 24, 2010 13:37:41 GMT -5
I don't think Calgary or Atlanta wouldn't even consider those trades. Well, Atlanta might, but why would Calgary want a young goaltender like Price when they've got Kiprusoff and Irving behind him. Kovalchuk wouldn't re-sign here (nor could we afford him). A disaster it would be, in my opinion. Dunno... Calgary get the "Western kid" with star potential and since they have Kipper, the can take their sweet time to ease him in... ...or we could do an all Calgary trade: Price, Plekanec, Spacek for Phaneuf, Jokkinen... |
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Post by blny on Jan 24, 2010 15:01:21 GMT -5
I'd rather have Pleks for whatever his next contract is than Olle. He's stinking it up out there and doesn't even play with Iggy anymore.
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Post by franko on Jan 24, 2010 16:43:05 GMT -5
Jokkinen? No thanks. Wonder if the Sutters are regretting letting Cammy get away.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 24, 2010 16:44:59 GMT -5
1. He could walk after 25 games and sign elsewhere with no return.
2. He could leave at any time to play in Russia.
He is a great talent and a great player, but he's not the kind of person I would bet the farm on. I don't blame him and his agent for testing the waters, but he doesn't seem to want the limelight and will never be the dynamic endorsement generator that Ovetchkin is.
Even if 1 or 2 has a 50% chance of happening, it would ruin the team for years.
If he signs and stays, the cap space left for getting him a supporting cast is suspect.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 25, 2010 12:29:35 GMT -5
The K brothers and Spacek (yep, you have to take Spacek too Don) for Kovalchuk I'm a gambler Kovalchuck might just enjoy playing in a real hockey market, not many good players claim they don't like playing here in a packed Bell Center. And he wouldn't be the only top player in the lineup. Then, Price for Phaneuf straight up. Cap wise: intake: 13MM, out: 10.2, given our cushion and the money saved on the Markov injuries, it probably fits this year. Next summer would be quite a cap puzzle, but I'd hire Skilly and let him figure it out Drool. AKost, SKost, Spacek for Kovalchuk.... probably need to throw in a pick as well.... for a rental. OTOH, Kovalchuk could make us a very interesting 6/7/8 seed and if he caught fire he may just fall head over heels in love with the Montreal atmosphere. Worst case you lose a couple of players who may have worn out their welcome in MTL, and who may not have much upside left . Plus you get out of a mistake contract in Spacek..... I'D DO IT!!! And if you could turn around and deal Price for a top 4 blueliner then I'd be over the moon. What was that line from Risky Business...."sometimes you just gotta say "what the f^ck." |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 25, 2010 13:01:45 GMT -5
The organizational depth isn't nearly sufficient to throw away two of our younger assets, one of whom scores 20+ goals for us, for 25 games of Kovalchuk so we can been an "interesting 6/7/8 seed."
And who's going to replace Spacek? Bergeron? Mara? If you want to re-sign Kovalchuk we'd certainly not have enough space to keep Plekanec or sign another UFA defender.
So the end result is, we get better scoring this season, worse scoring long-term (I continue to believe signing Kovalchuk would be a difficult thing to fit in), worse defensively short-term, and perhaps better defensively long-term if you can sign a UFA defenseman who's better than Spacek.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 25, 2010 13:18:25 GMT -5
Of course this is all just fun fodder.... and any inquiries by Gainey would need to assess Kovalchuk's interest in signing a long term deal in Montreal. Gainey could play the historic tradition angle. Kovalchuk wears #17 because Valeri Kharlamov wore #17 and was his dad's favorite player... who played in the classic 1975 New Year's Eve game in Montreal against Bob Gainey. See it's a match made in heaven!
Why Dion Phaneuf will replace Spacek? Didn't you read Doc's trade? Carey Price is going too! ;>
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 25, 2010 13:25:25 GMT -5
lol. I love trade banter as much as anyone else, I guess I'm just too much of a pragmatist.
I can't say I want Phaneuf. He's overpaid and quite poor defensively. On the upside, we could reunite he and Hamrlik, who were paired together when Phaneuf played one of his his best defensive seasons.
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Post by gy on Jan 29, 2010 20:03:58 GMT -5
lol. I love trade banter as much as anyone else, I guess I'm just too much of a pragmatist. I can't say I want Phaneuf. He's overpaid and quite poor defensively. On the upside, we could reunite he and Hamrlik, who were paired together when Phaneuf played one of his his best defensive seasons. As poor as MAB? As much of a bowling alley pin waiting to be knocked over by a glancing blow from the first object that hits it? |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 29, 2010 21:17:30 GMT -5
Certainly not $5.8M better, no. It's not a matter of slotting Phaneuf into the lineup over MAB, and you know that.
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Post by blny on Jan 29, 2010 21:20:09 GMT -5
Dion is a Komisarek with more offense. He goes for the big hit, gets out of position a lot, and needs a guy like Regehr to cover for him.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 30, 2010 0:58:37 GMT -5
I like him.  Seriously. He can play for me anytime. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 2, 2010 19:34:11 GMT -5
Everyone likes Kovalchouk. The question is, will he sign in Montreal.
Gomez and Gionta and Hamrlik eat our cap for a few years. They are better than mediocre but not in the same league as kovalchouk.
Pleks should be signed, but he too isn't in Kovy's league.
Reality sinks in. (repeated too often) Taxes, weather, press, language.
Gainey has gone after many free agents in the last few years and come up short, even when he offers more $.
I'd love Kovy and his 40+ goals a year, but I'm not holding my breath.
Every time I mention language, I'm accused of racism. (How many Russians, Finns, Sweedes, Czechs, Albertans came here and learned French?) I love Montreal but it's a tough sell, even for me, and I speak French.
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Post by blny on Feb 2, 2010 21:02:41 GMT -5
Would we really expect him to learn French? I think our Captain should be able to say a few words, or read a statement if you will. Beyond that, the "Je suis ..." is enough for me.
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Post by franko on Feb 2, 2010 22:50:55 GMT -5
ah, but where do you live?
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Post by Skilly on Feb 3, 2010 7:47:15 GMT -5
Every time I mention language, I'm accused of racism. (How many Russians, Finns, Sweedes, Czechs, Albertans came here and learned French?) I love Montreal but it's a tough sell, even for me, and I speak French. Once upon a time, there were many that decided to learn the language .... How difficult would it be for the habs to hold an orientation with players to give them the basics of the language? Not hard at all in my mind ... In the rookie development camps, make it a mandatory part of camp. After practice and the team meal, you are shuttled off to a classroom for an hour for French tutoring ... If you are signed in the off-season, the team brings you and your lovely family to the city for a house hunting / accommodations trip and while here you are given an orientation in french basics .... I am sure no one expects a player acquired in a trade during the season to jump right into french classes ... but during the off-season maybe keep the players arouhnd a week longer, or ask them to come to the orientation the next season .... |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 3, 2010 11:27:34 GMT -5
Every time I mention language, I'm accused of racism. (How many Russians, Finns, Sweedes, Czechs, Albertans came here and learned French?) I love Montreal but it's a tough sell, even for me, and I speak French. Once upon a time, there were many that decided to learn the language .... How difficult would it be for the habs to hold an orientation with players to give them the basics of the language? Not hard at all in my mind ... In the rookie development camps, make it a mandatory part of camp. After practice and the team meal, you are shuttled off to a classroom for an hour for French tutoring ... If you are signed in the off-season, the team brings you and your lovely family to the city for a house hunting / accommodations trip and while here you are given an orientation in french basics .... I am sure no one expects a player acquired in a trade during the season to jump right into french classes ... but during the off-season maybe keep the players arouhnd a week longer, or ask them to come to the orientation the next season .... That's a great idea. They could create a university ot the Brossard training facility. Players would be forced to take: Finance 101 an hour a day to teach young guys how to invest their newfound millions. Chemistry 101, say no to drugs. Ethics 101, give back to the community. Sex Education 101, always popular. wear a condom. Drivers Ed, how to change lanes at 100 mph in a Ferrari. Geography 101, the beauties of Canada from Bonavista to Vancouver Island. History 101, our founding fathers. History 102, Ancient History, when the canadiens were great. Free agents will be clamoring to join the team. Later we can add Physical Education, Golf, how to add six weeks to your season, jointly conducted with the Leafs. |
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 3, 2010 15:38:57 GMT -5
RDS is reporting that Kovalchuk was told by Don Waddell to expect a trade in coming days. Dreger and Bob McKenzie appear to be confirming that report on Twitter:
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 3, 2010 15:58:16 GMT -5
@tsnbobmckenzie: Teams in mix for Kovalchuk include: Boston, New Jersey, Rangers, Philadelphia, Calgary, Chicago and L.A. Some more. Some less. Auction time.
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 3, 2010 16:03:48 GMT -5
@tsnbobmckenzie: Teams in mix for Kovalchuk include: Boston, New Jersey, Rangers, Philadelphia, Calgary, Chicago and L.A. Some more. Some less. Auction time. Boston has Toronto's first pick to offer...... Maybe that's why they are trying to get ride of Ryder..... God, I hope Ilya goes to the West |
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Post by jkr on Feb 3, 2010 16:12:52 GMT -5
@tsnbobmckenzie: Teams in mix for Kovalchuk include: Boston, New Jersey, Rangers, Philadelphia, Calgary, Chicago and L.A. Some more. Some less. Auction time. Boston has Toronto's first pick to offer...... Maybe that's why they are trying to get ride of Ryder..... God, I hope Ilya goes to the West I wouldn't give up a potential lottery pick for a rental if I were the Bruins. Maybe last year when they looked so dominant but not now. I heard Scotty Bowman last week on the FAN590 disavow any interest in Kovalchuk on the part of the Hawks. Doesn't mean he was telling the truth. |
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Seriously. He can play for me anytime. 
