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Post by CrocRob on Jul 6, 2010 7:50:00 GMT -5
TSN reporting the contract would put them over their cap limit by $3.8 million (per Gino Reda). Looks like at least one pretty good player is going to be available for peanuts. I'd say we should look into it, but all of their contracts are for old players and extend well past this season. The Habs don't have the cap space (in my mind) to pick up another long-term (beyond this season) big salary. I suspect the Devils would love to unload Brian Rolston, but Patrik Elias might be the guy who has to go to make room for Kovalchuk. |
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Post by blny on Jul 6, 2010 7:58:05 GMT -5
Maybe Gomer and Gio can help cherry pick ... Take a look at the nhlnumbers link: nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=NJD&season=1011Not only do they have issues fitting him in, but they don't even have a full compliment of forwards under contract at the moment. If they actually sign him, they're going to have to dump a couple of expensive contracts so that they can sign a couple of cheap guys for the bottom 6. Say they use the $3.748 million in space they have right now to sign Rob Niedermeyer and Dean McAmmond to one year deals. That brings them up to 12 forwards and no space. They'd have to shed Elias AND Rolston to make room. They're both expensive cap hits for old players passed their prime. Maybe Lou does to them what he did to Mogilny and Malakhov. |
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 6, 2010 8:32:46 GMT -5
We've all seen Lucky Lou intentionally - or perhaps I should say seemingly - back himself into a corner only to come out of it relatively unscathed and with a pretty good team to boot... I would imagine he has a plan and that he is fully aware of what he is doing.
I would suspect Jamie Lagenbrunner is the first candidate for the trade market, followed by Colin White. Lagenbrunner is cheap for his production, and will be a UFA at the end of the year, so I would think teams would be more than willing to pony up for him. Same for White, who may be redundant now with the signing of Volchenkov.
Or he'll simply bury Danius Zubrus in the minors. I don't know. But until proven otherwise I think Lucky Lou should be given the benefit of the doubt here.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 6, 2010 10:02:49 GMT -5
We have 5.6 million in cap space and 19 players under contract (11 forwards, 7 d-men, and a goalie) I believe ....
I'd offer Lou a prospect (Pahlushaj perhaps?) for Langenbrunner (his cap hit is 2.8 million). Then I'd offer Price 1.8 million (telling him he has alot to prove yet) and throw the final million towards Lapierre/Moore and see which one takes it.
That's just one scenario .... I am sure with a giggle here, or a wiggle there, we can fit that 2.8 million in and get Price/Lapierre under contract too.
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Post by blny on Jul 6, 2010 10:03:23 GMT -5
Rolston is 37 and was north of 35 when he signed his current deal. So, Lou can't buy him out to save cap space. Can he demote him, or does the age rule apply to that too?
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Post by Skilly on Jul 6, 2010 10:09:17 GMT -5
Rolston is 37 and was north of 35 when he signed his current deal. So, Lou can't buy him out to save cap space. Can he demote him, or does the age rule apply to that too? Nope ... if a player is 35+ when he signs a contract, then his contract is still counted against the cap if he retires or gets sent to the AHL. Lou's loophole with Mogilny (or was it Malakhov?) was that the player was on LTIR and should not count towards the cap .... Rolston ended last season in the NJ line-up so I dont see him pulling that rabbit out of his hat again |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 6, 2010 10:14:10 GMT -5
The following players have "No Trade Clauses" or "No Movement Clauses" on New Jersey:
Patrick Elias (NMC)
Brian Rolston (NTC)
Jason Arnott (NMC)
Jaime Langenbrunner (NTC)
Anton Volchenkov (NTC)
Colin White (NTC)
Martin Brodeur (NTC)
Johan Hedberg (NTC)
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Post by blny on Jul 6, 2010 10:41:08 GMT -5
Rolston is 37 and was north of 35 when he signed his current deal. So, Lou can't buy him out to save cap space. Can he demote him, or does the age rule apply to that too? Nope ... if a player is 35+ when he signs a contract, then his contract is still counted against the cap if he retires or gets sent to the AHL. Lou's loophole with Mogilny (or was it Malakhov?) was that the player was on LTIR and should not count towards the cap .... Rolston ended last season in the NJ line-up so I dont see him pulling that rabbit out of his hat again That's what I thought. I'm really not sure how he manages to pull this one off. |
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Post by blny on Jul 6, 2010 10:43:00 GMT -5
The following players have "No Trade Clauses" or "No Movement Clauses" on New Jersey: Patrick Elias (NMC) Brian Rolston (NTC) Jason Arnott (NMC) Jaime Langenbrunner (NTC) Anton Volchenkov (NTC) Colin White (NTC) Martin Brodeur (NTC) Johan Hedberg (NTC) So, are they going to sacrifice Parise or Zajac to make this deal happen? |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 7, 2010 1:33:03 GMT -5
We've all seen Lucky Lou intentionally - or perhaps I should say seemingly - back himself into a corner only to come out of it relatively unscathed and with a pretty good team to boot... I would imagine he has a plan and that he is fully aware of what he is doing. I would suspect Jamie Lagenbrunner is the first candidate for the trade market, followed by Colin White. Lagenbrunner is cheap for his production, and will be a UFA at the end of the year, so I would think teams would be more than willing to pony up for him. Same for White, who may be redundant now with the signing of Volchenkov. Or he'll simply bury Danius Zubrus in the minors. I don't know. But until proven otherwise I think Lucky Lou should be given the benefit of the doubt here. He screwed up, though, losing at least one first rounder in the process, by having to dump someone. I can't recall the details, but I know I felt old Lou didn't have a handle on the CAP and messed up. Maybe he's more versed now, but if you play that close to the edge, it can crumble and you end up falling off the cliff. There are few people I'd rather see fail than "Lucky" Lou. |
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Post by ValkyrieNS on Jul 7, 2010 12:15:17 GMT -5
Say they use the $3.748 million in space they have right now to sign Rob Niedermeyer and Dean McAmmond to one year deals. Point is now moot on Niedermeyer: one year deal in Buffalo, according to RDS. |
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Post by blny on Jul 7, 2010 12:28:06 GMT -5
Say they use the $3.748 million in space they have right now to sign Rob Niedermeyer and Dean McAmmond to one year deals. Point is now moot on Niedermeyer: one year deal in Buffalo, according to RDS. Not really. I was citing an example as to how they might use existing cap space to fill out their roster. Even if they do sign Ilya, they won't have enough forwards to fill out a roster. So, in order to sign him and fill the roster they HAVE to move out some contracts. |
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Post by ValkyrieNS on Jul 7, 2010 12:49:28 GMT -5
Point is now moot on Niedermeyer: one year deal in Buffalo, according to RDS. Not really. I was citing an example as to how they might use existing cap space to fill out their roster. Even if they do sign Ilya, they won't have enough forwards to fill out a roster. So, in order to sign him and fill the roster they HAVE to move out some contracts. Don't get me wrong, I know you're right -- there is an incredible amount of cap space they need to clear out if they want to sign Ilya (who, btw, thinks he's all that and a bag of chips... and yes, I know this first-hand) and really, is he worth it? I don't think so, but yes, I'm a girl, he's not that good-looking and what do I know anyways? Either way, Rob is no longer on the Devils' radar and now they need to find another, cheaper option to fill out their roster. Is there a minimum number of peeps you need on a team, or can Ilya play the entire game by himself? That was sarcasm, btw. Without looking it up, I believe you need at least 19 guys to play a night, unless you only choose to play 3 lines and one of your D gets hurt, then you can go with 15 (although that's pushing it). |
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Post by franko on Jul 7, 2010 12:59:17 GMT -5
10 forwards signed, a defense not up to past Devils ds . . . and an aging Marty. will this be the year the magic runs out, or  |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 8, 2010 16:29:21 GMT -5
10 forwards signed, a defense not up to past Devils ds . . . and an aging Marty. will this be the year the magic runs out, or "Nothing up my sleeve; Presto! I take a 7 1/2!" Habs have a backup plan and will make an offer to Kovalchuk when they are officially rejected by leBron James. Kovalchuk will attempt to fill the hole left by the departure of Marc Andre Bergereon. We see that Lebron james is heavily influenced by the tax structure in Ohio, New York and Florida. The tax rates have implications on both salary and endorsements. Implications are in the millions. That is why a lot of players including locally grown francophones are rejecting better offers from the Hab's than New York or Pennsylvania. $$$$$ - $$$$ = $ vs $$$$ - $$ = $$ Everyone tries to avoid paying too much in taxes: Canadian National, then a crown corporation, stensiled boxcars Central Vermont to avoid taxes. Nissan Motor Corporation paid Marubeni Shipping to avoid paying taxes in both the US and Japan. |
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Post by blny on Jul 9, 2010 11:33:50 GMT -5
It's hard not to think at this point that Kovalchuk missed the boat. There's not enough teams with cap space interested in him, or him them, to drum up real interest and contract offers. The only team seemingly interested is one that would have to clear a significant amount of space for him. He may find himself looking at a short deal a la Hossa, and then trying again the following year.
Perhaps he should have accepted the offer the Thrashers had out on the table last year.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 10, 2010 3:44:19 GMT -5
It's hard not to think at this point that Kovalchuk missed the boat. There's not enough teams with cap space interested in him, or him them, to drum up real interest and contract offers. The only team seemingly interested is one that would have to clear a significant amount of space for him. He may find himself looking at a short deal a la Hossa, and then trying again the following year. Perhaps he should have accepted the offer the Thrashers had out on the table last year. With LA out of the picture, the Islanders offer is the only big buck$ and long term offer left. Not sure how much a ring really means to him compared to money. Montreal could clear some cap space but we need to move on in our direction. Kovalchuk didn't make enough difference for the Devils to get over the top and probably wouldn't here either. Shows how far we are from the elusive brass ring. Chicago won the cup and are getting ready for another run at it in 2061. Toronto is still 200 years away from contending. The leafs are building a dynasty with draft choices. Unfortunately it's a Bruins dynasty. |
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Post by clear observer on Jul 10, 2010 10:43:23 GMT -5
Toronto is still 200 years away from contending. The leafs are building a dynasty with draft choices. Unfortunately it's a Bruins dynasty. Bahhahaha!! Thanx! ;D |
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Post by blny on Jul 10, 2010 20:19:41 GMT -5
NY Post is reporting that the Devils are offering a SEVENTEEN year deal worth more than $100 million. The report goes on to say that $100 million would be paid in the first 10 years of the deal, and then significantly less in the remaining 7.
Needless to say, this sort of deal completely circumvents the spirit of the salary cap. I think if you want to sign a player to this sort of deal, the entire contract should count against the cap. In other words, you retire before the end of the deal, whatever is left still counts against the club.
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Post by franko on Jul 10, 2010 20:43:33 GMT -5
It does count, unless the player retires before a certain age. But I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Player signs for $107M, gets the big money up front, lowers the cap hit all the way through. cap hit is a little over $6.25 a year. I think that the rule should be that your last year of salary cannot be less than the average of the contract.
GMs being idiots again, throwing money around. lou won't be there at year 10, so it'll be someone else's problem anyway.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 12, 2010 14:22:29 GMT -5
Kovalchuk in Round 3 of talks with the Kings. (heard on the Fan 590)
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