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Post by Polarice on Jan 29, 2010 14:56:31 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Jan 29, 2010 15:09:21 GMT -5
One of the reasons Ottawa has won 8 straight is the play of Elliot & to some degree, Mike Brodeur. Plus they have Lecalaire. Can't see them wanting Halak & trading Kovalev back to a divisional rival.
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Post by franko on Jan 29, 2010 15:10:06 GMT -5
nuts! lost it.
where was I? something like
as if . . . we take an under-performing Kovy and $5M off their hands [Skilly? can we even afford it?] and give them a choice of an RFA goalie plus?
the rest . . . just kind of repeats itself.
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Post by franko on Jan 29, 2010 15:11:56 GMT -5
"article" says they have a choice of Halak or Price.
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 29, 2010 15:15:45 GMT -5
Kovalev can be retained if Plekanec is let go. And we make space by signing all our RFAs to pretty much minimum contracts.
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Post by Polarice on Jan 29, 2010 15:18:36 GMT -5
The article don't make much sense....I know we have room if we don't re-sign Mara..but it don`t leave much room for re-signing Pleks maybe 4 million.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 29, 2010 15:21:52 GMT -5
This is not directed at you, Franko.
Trading Halak to the Sens will give them an extremely valuable piece to their puzzle, which seems to be coming together rather nicely and at the right time. However, if Eliott keeps playing the way he has and his confidence continues to swell, they won't need Halak. I think the missing piece of their puzzle might be to add a solid PP QB, but what team couldn't use one of those.
Kovalev back to the Habs? I think Gainey might want to consider resigning if he does something like this; Halak, PLUS a player? AND taking on Kovalev's salary that he originally denied him in the first place?
No, I can't believe this report.
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Jan 29, 2010 16:21:35 GMT -5
Dumb rumour.
Dis, I wouldn't say that BG denied Kovy the funds. The contract offer was there, Kovy balked and wanted to check the market. BG chose not to wait.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 29, 2010 16:26:52 GMT -5
..ya Kovalev though especially with all the fan support he could wait the habs out and they would come calling with a three or four year deal.He basically had to beg back to the Sens who matched Gainey's original offer.
The Kovalev ship has sailed Gionta will out produce Kovalev hands down.
This team needs some jam they have enough scoring find me a formidable third line that can wear teams down not one playing two defenseman.
HFTO
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Post by franko on Jan 29, 2010 17:40:19 GMT -5
no problem, Dis; that's basically what I was saying. Bottom line is that we would help the Sens out [whoever we trade with will should help them out in goal but I would want help back . . . and Kovy is not the answer. We need longer term help . . . we ain't winning the Cup with him this year or next. HFTO is right:  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 29, 2010 18:11:43 GMT -5
Dumb rumour. Dis, I wouldn't say that BG denied Kovy the funds. The contract offer was there, Kovy balked and wanted to check the market. BG chose not to wait. No worries, BLNY. Here's the way I heard it unfold, though it doesn't mean this is the way it unfolded: a. Gainey makes an initial 2-year offer to the Kovalev camp. The deal is for $4.25 mil/year; b. Kovalev's agent tells his client he can get him a 3rd year out of Mtl. He then tells Gainey, "we'll get back to you." c. Gainey ups the money to $4.5 mil/year for 2 years; d. Kovalev's agent tells Kovalev he can still get that 3rd year and then tells Gainey, "we'll get back to you." e. Realizing he might lose both players (according to Gainey himself) Gainey goes out and signs Brian Gionta to more than what he was willing to pay Kovalev; f. The Kovalev camp is caught off guard and Kovalev is confused. Everyone and their dog knew Kovalev wanted to re-sign with Mtl; however, their camp balked once too often. I wouldn't blame you if you didn't want to take the source too seriously. It's the Team 990 and they haven't exactly been getting their stories right recently. That's just me though. Cheers. |
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Post by gy on Jan 29, 2010 20:00:44 GMT -5
Someone's been indulging in psychedelics. Someone should keep an eye on him lest he thinks he can fly and jumps off the roof. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 30, 2010 8:51:05 GMT -5
no problem, Dis; that's basically what I was saying. Bottom line is that we would help the Sens out [whoever we trade with will should help them out in goal but I would want help back . . . and Kovy is not the answer. We need longer term help . . . we ain't winning the Cup with him this year or next. HFTO is right: ...I know Gionta is a better player right now but he doesn't have Kovalev's pizzaz and charsima. L'Artiste was a player that stir passions. I know from a marketing angle, this kind of guy is missed by the organization. Not saying it makes sense to do this deal (especially for Price), but I can see them wanting such a guy to make a buzz. |
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Post by franko on Jan 30, 2010 10:12:05 GMT -5
no problem, Dis; that's basically what I was saying. Bottom line is that we would help the Sens out [whoever we trade with will should help them out in goal but I would want help back . . . and Kovy is not the answer. We need longer term help . . . we ain't winning the Cup with him this year or next. HFTO is right ...I know Gionta is a better player right now but he doesn't have Kovalev's pizzaz and charsima. L'Artiste was a player that stir passions. I know from a marketing angle, this kind of guy is missed by the organization. Not saying it makes sense to do this deal (especially for Price), but I can see them wanting such a guy to make a buzz. Do they need another marketing angle? It's the Habs, the buidling is full, they still sell merch all over the world, etc. The best marketing they could do is to win some games -- and why bnot? -- a Cup. If Kovy will guarantee that I say go for it! The negatives: our depth in the system is already not deep in any position, especially G. We make the Sens strong not just for this year but for years to come. Our cap hit stays high. The positives: my Kovy jersey is back in fashion. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 30, 2010 11:28:04 GMT -5
Do they need another marketing angle? It's the Habs, the buidling is full, they still sell merch all over the world, etc.. ...all they do is marketing gimmicks anyways. What happens on the ice is an aftertought. Win, Lose, who cares... They need to keep the money making machine going and Kovy was good for that. |
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Post by HFTO on Jan 30, 2010 11:30:10 GMT -5
I hear ya Doc ,Kovalev was the closest thing Habs fans have had say, since Lafleur where if he had a head of steam there was that anticipation that something could happen...you could feel people rising out of their seats.
For that he was exciting but sadly it was too seldom.
I would have been glad if Kovy was back with or without Gionta.
Even Cammalleri doesn't have that magic,few players do so for that I miss the guy.
HFTO
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Post by blny on Jan 30, 2010 13:28:43 GMT -5
Dumb rumour. Dis, I wouldn't say that BG denied Kovy the funds. The contract offer was there, Kovy balked and wanted to check the market. BG chose not to wait. No worries, BLNY. Here's the way I heard it unfold, though it doesn't mean this is the way it unfolded: a. Gainey makes an initial 2-year offer to the Kovalev camp. The deal is for $4.25 mil/year; b. Kovalev's agent tells his client he can get him a 3rd year out of Mtl. He then tells Gainey, "we'll get back to you." c. Gainey ups the money to $4.5 mil/year for 2 years; d. Kovalev's agent tells Kovalev he can still get that 3rd year and then tells Gainey, "we'll get back to you." e. Realizing he might lose both players (according to Gainey himself) Gainey goes out and signs Brian Gionta to more than what he was willing to pay Kovalev; f. The Kovalev camp is caught off guard and Kovalev is confused. Everyone and their dog knew Kovalev wanted to re-sign with Mtl; however, their camp balked once too often. I wouldn't blame you if you didn't want to take the source too seriously. It's the Team 990 and they haven't exactly been getting their stories right recently. That's just me though. Cheers. That's more or less how I remember it, but I thought the money was the same. Just the term was the difference. Either way, there was money and term on the table. Kovy's not getting any younger either. Rumours that at least make sense I can tolerate, and enjoy discussing. This one doesn't make sense from either POV. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 30, 2010 21:00:14 GMT -5
Kovalev is like a poker hand with three aces when the opponent has a full house, threes and twos. There is a chance of something great happening, but most nights it doesn't come through.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 1, 2010 10:16:16 GMT -5
All that is missing from the story is the team standing in two lines facing each other with their sticks held-up forming and inverted "V" for Kovalev to walk down the aisle, streaming and flowers fluttering fron the rafters, and Gainey waiting at the end of the end of the march, on bended knee, holding up the crown and the "C" for Kovalev to wear .......  Oh wait ... Kovalev already accepted .... the pontiff returns ...  |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 2, 2010 19:08:21 GMT -5
All that is missing from the story is the team standing in two lines facing each other with their sticks held-up forming and inverted "V" for Kovalev to walk down the aisle, streaming and flowers fluttering fron the rafters, and Gainey waiting at the end of the end of the march, on bended knee, holding up the crown and the "C" for Kovalev to wear ....... Oh wait ... Kovalev already accepted .... the pontiff returns ... First marriage, 4 long years. Second marriage 24 quick years and 3 wonderful kids. Would I ever release the current wife and take back the original. Perhaps when hell freezes over, but not before.  |
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