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Post by Douper on Jan 31, 2010 9:37:16 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2010 11:28:21 GMT -5
C'mon Doup - Mayers had 2 points last night.  |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 31, 2010 11:29:36 GMT -5
They are saying Phaneuf...god I hope not, plus what do the leafs have to trade?
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 31, 2010 11:35:42 GMT -5
They are saying Phanouf...god I hope not, plus what do the leafs have to trade? Confirmed apparently. Phaneuf in TO I've edited the title Douper. |
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Post by Douper on Jan 31, 2010 11:36:44 GMT -5
Well the Leafs just got worse defensively....wonder who they dealt?
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 31, 2010 11:38:58 GMT -5
The only guy I can see they Flames wanting is Kessel. That is the only person I'd want on the Leafs. Plus the salaries are pretty close. The leafs have no first rounder to trade either.
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Post by Douper on Jan 31, 2010 11:40:35 GMT -5
It can't be Kessel.... I say Kaberle and Stajan.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 31, 2010 11:52:29 GMT -5
Yeah but Kaberle has a no trade clause until the season is over and only if the TML don't make the playoffs. That is unless he waives it. Still not a good deal if it is the flames.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 31, 2010 12:01:02 GMT -5
I am thinking Schenn Stajan + + with Calgary giving a player or 2.
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Post by Douper on Jan 31, 2010 12:01:17 GMT -5
Two teams in dire need of a shakeup have done just that, as the Calgary Flames have shipped defenceman Dion Phaneuf, forward Fredrik Sjostrom, and defenceman Keith Aulie to the Toronto Maple Leafs in exchange for forwards Matt Stajan, Niklas Hagman, Jamal Mayers and defenceman Iab White.
WOW
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Post by habernac on Jan 31, 2010 12:04:25 GMT -5
unless Sutter has something else cooking, this is a brutal deal for Calgary. Phaneuf for a bunch of scrubs. Gary Leeman part 2.
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 31, 2010 12:06:16 GMT -5
I don't know. Whatever value Phaneuf has is negatively impacted by his astronomical salary which is much higher than his current ability. I actually think Calgary gets better this season. It remains to be seen how Phaneuf develop, but this year Calgary gets better IMO.
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Post by Douper on Jan 31, 2010 12:10:18 GMT -5
unless Sutter has something else cooking, this is a brutal deal for Calgary. Phaneuf for a bunch of scrubs. Gary Leeman part 2. White has more points than Phaneuf and is as good defensively and doesn't make 7 million$ per year which frees up $ for the flames next summer. Stajan-Hagman are better than Fredrik Sjostrom, Keith Aulie |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 31, 2010 12:20:39 GMT -5
but stajan is a ufa after this season?
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Post by Douper on Jan 31, 2010 12:23:29 GMT -5
but stajan is a ufa after this season? If Stajan plays well with Iginla, you think he'd want to leave? Calgary is built to compete now. And this deal helps them out. |
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Post by Marvin on Jan 31, 2010 12:25:53 GMT -5
Living in Cgy, I've seen a ton of Phaneuf. If Toronto gets the 2004-5 model, they win this trade hands-down. For the time being, I think it makes Calgary a more balanced team, albeit a little less tougher on the D, but they've got a slew of d-men coming up the ranks.
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Post by roke on Jan 31, 2010 12:29:12 GMT -5
Leaf fan friend of mine who watches a lot more games from around the league than I do (not that that's saying much): TSN also reporting that a Toskala-for-Giguere deal is going to happen. As my friend said again "and Giguere makes more than Toskala for longer". He'll be in the minority, but these are two more high-risk trades by the Leafs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 12:35:10 GMT -5
TSN also reporting that a Toskala-for-Giguere deal is going to happen. As my friend said again "and Giguere makes more than Toskala for longer". He'll be in the minority, but these are two more high-risk trades by the Leafs. Considering Giguere lost his job to Hiller on a more defensively-stable team, I don't know how much better he'll fare in TO. Burke's trying, though... |
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Post by blny on Jan 31, 2010 12:37:12 GMT -5
Nothing like trying to trade yourself into a playoff spot, and more importantly out of a lottery pick for Boston.
The Phaneuf trade at least evens out a bit money-wise. But the Giguere deal makes no sense to me. None.
If I was Calgary, Dion would have been used to add an elite centre for Iggy. Not quantity of pieces. I think Hagman and Stajan are nice pieces, but they're support players.
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 31, 2010 12:51:14 GMT -5
From what I've read, the deal would be Toskala for Giguere and a 1st round pick, or something of that ilk. Anaheim would be paying Toronto for taking their contract in exchange for an expiring one.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 31, 2010 13:17:23 GMT -5
I don't know guys. It's hard to say one way or the other. A lot of unknowns here but I really think both teams did well. At the very least Burke isn't sitting on his behind and doing nothing. At the same time he isn't "Trader Phil Esposito" either. The guy is proactive and doing what he has to to get his team to rights. To me, this deal smacks exactly of that.
I think it will be interesting to see what Stajan will do with some quality wingers around him. He might just do well. Hagman has slowed down recently but he's got talent as well.
Phaneuf: Haven't seen or heard a whole lot about him other than he was having a rough year or he wasn't on his game. Just out of interest does his girlfriend, Alisha Cuthbert, live in TO? I honestly don't care, but if she does it usually makes a world of difference when you're closer to your signifcant other. If the problem in Calgary was Dion not being happy, I imagine his game will improve if his mood does.
Giguere: Well, he won't hurt Toronto. If he stays with TO for an extended period then Burke will have a reliable goaltender, three pretty good d-men (Kaberle/Phaneuf/Gunnerson) and a finisher in Kessel.
Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 31, 2010 13:18:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 13:29:48 GMT -5
They've dumped a lot of forwards for defensemen and a goalie. Who's gonna get goals, now?
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Post by seventeen on Jan 31, 2010 13:40:15 GMT -5
Personally, I think if Burke can get Phaneuf back to where he was a couple of seasons ago, this is a steal for Toronto. What have they really given up? Hagman and Stajan are players, but Stajan's a pending UFA. White's ok, but he's small and prone to some egregious errors. To me, they're all players you might want as somewhat supporting cast. We have lots of those, but ours have contracts that make them distasteful to prospective suitors. It all hinges on what Phaneuf does with his career. He is by far the most talented player of the seven and usually the team getting the best player is the winner. Toronto got younger and picked up some more offense from the back. Geeze, if Phaneuf was coming our way and we'd given up say, Gorges (White), Gionta (Hagman), and a spare part for Mayers along with someone to take STajan's place (he's the toughie cause we don't have a player like him, but he's also a UFA), you don't think that would be worthwhile? despite Phaneuf's weaknesses, which I think are temporary anyway. He probably just needs out of his hometown area, just like Lats and Ribs with us. I think Burke made an excellent deal. I could be wrong and Phaneuf will Flame out, but I'd take those odds. Notice Burke's MO? The first thing he does is go after difference makers. Gainey on the other hand, isn't willing to take those risks. Interesting, seeing the initial thoughts in this thread about what Toronto would give up and the reality was much less than the projections. Rats, lost out again. You don't get talents like Phaneuf becoming available that often and Burke, as he did with Kessel, takes the risk. I think he'll lose on the Kessel deal, but I think he's won this one, despite the fact I like Stajan a lot. Of course, if there's something in the weeds we don't know about, like Phaneuf has some addiction problem, (and I'm not saying he does, just if), then that throws the analysis out of whack. Or maybe all the Leaf players have an addiction problem. (to losing  ) |
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2010 13:43:30 GMT -5
I'm with BLNY on this one. He adds 6 million in cap space to get Giguere who clearly isn't what he was just a few years ago. He's been backing up Hiller for almost 2 years now. IMO, Burke doesn't do this deal if he has his #1 pick. He's trying to get out of the basement so Boston doesn't pick 1st overall. I guess I can't blame him - it's a nightmare scenario for the Leafs. Phaneuf at 6.5 is way overpaid & it's for the next 4 years. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 31, 2010 13:51:59 GMT -5
They've dumped a lot of forwards for defensemen and a goalie. Who's gonna get goals, now? CO keeps telling us that you get good D and the offense will take care of itself. (That's not exactly what he says, but your forwards don't need to be as good if you have an excellent D). |
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Post by CrocRob on Jan 31, 2010 13:56:20 GMT -5
I think the second deal is a good one just because he dumps Blake. Now he's got a Giguere and Gustavsson tandem, better than his current one. And he doesn't have a 30 point forward with a $4.5M cap hit.
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Post by jkr on Jan 31, 2010 14:03:48 GMT -5
I think the second deal is a good one just because he dumps Blake. Now he's got a Giguere and Gustavsson tandem, better than his current one. And he doesn't have a 30 point forward with a $4.5M cap hit. Yeah, I guess but the goalie he added is playing like a back up & has a 6 million cap hit next year. |
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Post by ValkyrieNS on Jan 31, 2010 14:12:31 GMT -5
I think the second deal is a good one just because he dumps Blake. Now he's got a Giguere and Gustavsson tandem, better than his current one. OMG, Giguere was my fave player when he was with the Halifax Mooseheads... There's no way I can cheer for him now  I go skating and grocery shopping for a couple of hours and all heck breaks loose! WOW! |
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Post by roke on Jan 31, 2010 14:37:21 GMT -5
Dumping Blake in that Toskala/Giguere trade makes it more agreeable. Without Stajan, Hagman, and now Blake that forward group just got a lot weaker... and that's saying something.
I think the Phaneuf deal can turn out really well for Toronto, depending on where he goes. When the guy was at his best, he wasn't matched up against the top lines of other teams though, but he has the tools to get back to where he was 3 years ago. Maybe the toolbox will finally develop and he can be dominant at both ends of the rink and in the physical department... he's basically got 2 out of 3 right now.
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