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Post by roke on Jan 31, 2010 22:47:23 GMT -5
Per TSN tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308527... interesting deal, especially with Phaneuf traded earlier today. Calgary's made two moves where they have traded away the biggest name in the deal. I don't know what Sutter's expecting from Higgins... he hasn't been good at all this year. I'll remove the question mark from the thread name once the deal gets confirmed. Edit: Update - trade has been made. tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308648 |
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Post by HFTO on Jan 31, 2010 23:02:29 GMT -5
Well Calgary has certainly boosted it's offense it's not first rate but it's better, and with their d and goaltending it maybe enough to keep them in the hunt.
Higgins seems to have lost his way after last year,he should still be a solid third line guy that can score 15-20 and chip in on the PK.
It'll be interesting to see how all these additions fit in with the bros. Sutter.
HFTO
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Post by CentreHice on Jan 31, 2010 23:04:53 GMT -5
Well, with the Olympic trade freeze...there really isn't much time left to get these deals done.
Exciting time of year....
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Post by Marvin on Jan 31, 2010 23:12:26 GMT -5
I think the key here is that Sutter has gotten rid of a ton of salary (Phaneuf & Jokkinen), and players that weren't performing up to expectations. He now has a number of UFA/RFA's to deal with (Stajan, White, Mayers, Higgins), but he's going for broke this year and willing to handle next year's signing issues in the off-season.
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Post by HFTO on Jan 31, 2010 23:14:00 GMT -5
.....your right CH but not in Habland.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 23:19:22 GMT -5
.....your right CH but not in Habland. HFTO It's not like the Habs are the only team not wheeling and dealing... |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2010 0:49:39 GMT -5
Not sure this is finalized yet, but these are the names making the rounds.
Jokinen and Prust for Kotalik and Higgy. Chris traded for the 2nd time in less than a year, and Jokinen just can't stay put, which says something all by itself.
Who says teams won't make trades during the year in a CAP system?
If it happens that is.
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Post by CrocRob on Feb 1, 2010 2:12:22 GMT -5
Apparently this is hinging on Kotalik waiving his NTC. How a guy like that gets a NTC, I have no idea.
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Post by franko on Feb 1, 2010 7:03:33 GMT -5
Higgins > Jokinen > Cammy?
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Post by franko on Feb 1, 2010 7:05:09 GMT -5
.....your right CH but not in Habland. HFTO yet who has moved? do you want an underperforming Jokinen? Blake/Hagman? Phaneuf? |
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Post by franko on Feb 1, 2010 7:10:20 GMT -5
Cammy out, AK out . . . should Bob really make a trade other than to dump some salary if he can [come on, is anyone really going to take Gomez off his hands, and is he really going to get much for Pleks]?
My Feb predictions just changed from a little hopeful to stay at .500 to hoping we don't win too many.
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2010 7:23:16 GMT -5
If this trade happens, it's an interesting move. Calgary loses the depth at centre they'd created by adding Stajan. Jokinen is in the last year of his deal. Prust is an energy player. They add Kotalik's 3 year $9 million contract, and Higgins will be a UFA.
You've got 3 players in dog houses trading places, and Prust. Kotalik has been a healthy scratch in 8 of the Rags last nine games. Jokinen has been terrible, and Higgins no better.
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Post by jkr on Feb 1, 2010 8:01:10 GMT -5
Apparently this is hinging on Kotalik waiving his NTC. How a guy like that gets a NTC, I have no idea. Laraque had one too. Kotalik has a small list of teams on his "list" & apparently Calgary is one of those teams according to CBC. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 1, 2010 8:02:19 GMT -5
Cammy out, AK out . . . should Bob really make a trade other than to dump some salary if he can [come on, is anyone really going to take Gomez off his hands, and is he really going to get much for Pleks]? My Feb predictions just changed from a little hopeful to stay at .500 to hoping we don't win too many. The last few days (Phaneuf, Blake) proves that large unwieldy contracts can be moved. I remeber thinking that there was no way BG could get rid of Theodore. It can happen. |
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2010 8:14:27 GMT -5
Yes, it can happen. You need to find a dance partner. Someone has to be in need of a play making centerman.
One, I don't think Gainey is looking to trade Scott. We've not had a full season with our new lineup. Until we do, I don't think he'll consider it.
Two, Scott still has a lot of term left. With 2 years left on his deal he becomes more attractive to more teams. At that point it becomes a lot easier to move him. His cap hit doesn't change, but it's for a short time, and his actual salary at that point drops a fair amount and becomes easier for teams that may not be as rich to consider him as an option.
Still, I'm not looking to move him either. I look at his salary much more pragmatically than some. Sure, it's a huge ticket. But, if Saku had ever truly hit the open market he'd have commanded $6 million or more. When I think of it that way, it's easier to swallow.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 1, 2010 9:36:05 GMT -5
Cammy out, AK out . . . should Bob really make a trade other than to dump some salary if he can [come on, is anyone really going to take Gomez off his hands, and is he really going to get much for Pleks]? My Feb predictions just changed from a little hopeful to stay at .500 to hoping we don't win too many. If Cammalleri is done for the season, or even just 4-6 weeks, then the season is over. I see no point whatsoever in being a buyer now or at the deadline. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 1, 2010 10:43:59 GMT -5
They're saying that its Calgary that's holding up the deal. A 3rd team has entered the picture for Jokinen.....I wonder if BG has made a call now that Cammy is out?
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Post by roke on Feb 1, 2010 11:02:51 GMT -5
tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=308565Trade won't happen today. According to Bob McKenzie the Flames want Jokinen in the lineup tonight, and the Rangers have had trouble convincing Kotalik to waive his no-trade clause.
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Post by blny on Feb 1, 2010 11:29:35 GMT -5
Not sure why Calgary would 'want' Olli in the lineup. Sure, dress your best, but the chance he gets hurt and voids a deal would have me a little scared. As was already mentioned, I too can't believe that Kotalik got a NMC.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 1, 2010 11:35:07 GMT -5
They're saying that its Calgary that's holding up the deal. A 3rd team has entered the picture for Jokinen.....I wonder if BG has made a call now that Cammy is out? You know what, Reap? With a few exceptions, Jokinen hasn't lived up to his hype in Calgary. I don't know if he'd do very well in Montreal to be honest. I don't know why, but I'm thinking Jokinen might hate a place like Montreal. Great hockey town, passionate fans. But at the same time, he didn't have to chip the ice off his windows in Florida either. That said, if a third team has entered the sweepstakes I'm wondering if it is Gainey or even Burke again. Jokinen has a cap hit of $5.25 million. I don't know the percentage of that Gainey would assume, but it would be less than half that given we're over the halfway mark of the season. Still, there isn't a lot of wiggle room for Gainey in the cap. I don't know for who or what, but the deal is a do-able one. If Burke is in the mix again it wouldn't surprise me to see him go after a setup man for Kessel. Honestly, I think all he'd have to do is dangle Tomas Kaberle and another salary to the Flames. Kaberle's cap hit is $4.25 million, but I'm looking at www.nhlnumbers.com and, like Montreal, it looks like Burke is running out of cap space. Guys, I hope I'm reading this right. Cheers. |
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Post by duster on Feb 1, 2010 12:37:55 GMT -5
That said, if a third team has entered the sweepstakes I'm wondering if it is Gainey or even Burke again. Dis, I sincerely hope that Gainey has absolutely nothing to do with this. There is simply no way Jokinen would make much of a difference. He's an inferior player to Cammy in every way, imo. If the team can't make the playoffs with Cammalleri, it certainly won't with Jokinen. The team needs a lottery pick in a big way and I hope Bob lets events unfold as they should. I respect Sutter as a hockey man. If any team can get Higgins going again, it's Calgary. Ditto Kotalik. I wouldn't be surprised if Burke is involved somehow. What's the point of giving up possibly two lottery picks and paying Kessel more than $5 million per when he has no one to pass him the puck. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 1, 2010 13:20:32 GMT -5
I can't see Burke being to interested in Jokinen....why would he want a rental?
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Post by Skilly on Feb 1, 2010 14:14:02 GMT -5
Jokinen has a cap hit of $5.25 million. I don't know the percentage of that Gainey would assume, but it would be less than half that given we're over the halfway mark of the season. Still, there isn't a lot of wiggle room for Gainey in the cap. I don't know for who or what, but the deal is a do-able one. Players are paid by the day. There is 71 days left in this NHL season, so a team that acquires him would be on the hook for (71/193) * 5.25 million = 1.93 million I heard on one of the shows last night (I believe it was Bob MacKenzie) that the Leafs saved 1.5 million with the deals they swung yesterday. So they would be able to sign Jokinen this year I would think... nhlnumbers.com says that the Leafs have 2.9 million in cap space remaining. That's an incredible amount of money this time of year. For instance, today Burke could sign a player with an annual salary of 7.88 million with that much cap space. And every day we inch closer to the trade deadline that amount goes up .... I believe the trade deadline is March 2nd. On March second, the Leafs could sign a player with an annual salary of 13.3 million (since they would only be in the hook for 21% of the salary) |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 1, 2010 15:23:21 GMT -5
I don't think that Jokinen would solve any of our problems in Montreal. For a player that should be in his prime, he's on pace for a third season in a row of declining goal and point totals (on as many teams).
The fact that he's been shopped this often speaks volumes about his character, IMO, especially considering the meager return the Flames would be getting this time around.
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Post by HFTO on Feb 1, 2010 17:41:09 GMT -5
If Gainey makes that deal fire him on the spot!
Jokkinen is not what we need aside from his size is that the replacement you want for Plekanec ...no thanks.
HFTO
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Post by jkr on Feb 1, 2010 18:39:07 GMT -5
If Gainey makes that deal fire him on the spot! Jokkinen is not what we need aside from his size is that the replacement you want for Plekanec ...no thanks. HFTO Jokinen is also UFA so there's no help there as a Plekanec replacement. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 1, 2010 22:52:11 GMT -5
If Gainey makes that deal fire him on the spot! Jokkinen is not what we need aside from his size is that the replacement you want for Plekanec ...no thanks. HFTO Jokinen is also UFA so there's no help there as a Plekanec replacement. If he expects a change of scenery will change Higgins, the Jok's on him. How good can Chris be considering he was drafted by Gainey. Good God, I'm sounding bitter.  |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 2, 2010 2:23:19 GMT -5
Trade goes thru
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Post by franko on Feb 2, 2010 7:01:16 GMT -5
the Flames want Jokinen in the lineup tonight for all the good it did them. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 2, 2010 7:35:25 GMT -5
Jokinen is also UFA so there's no help there as a Plekanec replacement. If he expects a change of scenery will change Higgins, the Jok's on him. How good can Chris be considering he was drafted by Gainey. Good God, I'm sounding bitter. I dunno ... I think Higgins used properly, would be good in Calgary. They have a no BS GM, a no BS coach, and a no BS captain. The plan I heard was to used Hagman with Iginla. If Higgins can become more of a playmaker and less of a puck-hog, I think he could work with Iginla. |
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