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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 14, 2010 19:46:10 GMT -5
...from the RDS talkback
A guy claims a trade is in the work: Markov/Kostitsyn and spare change for Iginla and space change.
just food for thought I guess
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Post by Skilly on Jul 14, 2010 21:07:10 GMT -5
I'd do it ..... in a heartbeat
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Post by seventeen on Jul 14, 2010 23:46:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't. Iginla's past his due date. Thirty three years old, points the last 3 years have been 98, 89, 69. Too much like my stock portfolio.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 15, 2010 6:26:08 GMT -5
He and Cammy back together again, with Pleks setting them up!! WOW!!
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Post by Skilly on Jul 15, 2010 7:02:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't. Iginla's past his due date. Thirty three years old, points the last 3 years have been 98, 89, 69. Too much like my stock portfolio. So his declining production is still better (and definitely just as good) as our best player ... a player that many say is a guaranteed 70 point player even though he only did it once? I'll take Iggy's production, given what he is surrounded with ... pretty much the same as Montreal ... not much. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 15, 2010 7:02:58 GMT -5
I'm not putting too much stock into this one, guys. I don't know why, but it doesn't sound right for some reason.
Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 15, 2010 7:51:55 GMT -5
I'm not putting too much stock into this one, guys. I don't know why, but it doesn't sound right for some reason. Cheers. We all know it is bogus Dis .... but fun to discuss during the slow months |
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Post by CrocRob on Jul 15, 2010 8:01:07 GMT -5
No thanks. Markov brings far more than Iginla would. The only way I would consider this is if Markov has said he would not re-sign in Montreal, but given he's getting his Canadian citizenship this week that seems unlikely.
Not to mention we'd have $35.5M locked up in 5 forwards.
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Post by 24in93 on Jul 15, 2010 8:03:16 GMT -5
Sutter's looking more and more like the next Milbury. We could wrestle Regehr or Bouwmeester into the return.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 15, 2010 8:04:33 GMT -5
No thanks. Markov brings far more than Iginla would. The only way I would consider this is if Markov has said he would not re-sign in Montreal, but given he's getting his Canadian citizenship this week that seems unlikely. Not to mention we'd have $35.5M locked up in 5 forwards. Plus, Markov will become a Canadian citizen on friday!! |
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Post by BadCompany on Jul 15, 2010 8:05:15 GMT -5
I wouldn’t do it either. I’m very open to the idea of trading Markov, but I have high criteria; I would want a young, cheap (er), potential star coming back. Somebody that would play with us for the next 10-12 years. Yeah, we may take a hit in the first couple of years, as Markov outplays whoever, but I would be willing to take that hit for the long-term benefits. I would be thinking along the lines of a Jordan Staal, Alex Pietrangelo, or John Carlson (in whatever package is deemed "fair").
Iginla, as great as he is, and as much as he is exactly what we are looking for, has a limited shelf-life, I think. MAYBE five more years, but probably only three. Not the way I would want to play my Markov card.
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Post by blny on Jul 15, 2010 9:28:24 GMT -5
I'd consider it because I think Iggy's decreased production has as much to do with a complete lack of a supporting cast as it does anything else.
I don't think that's the sort of move that the Flames would be looking to do. They need to add scoring, not remove it. They need to remove defenders, not add.
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Post by clear observer on Jul 15, 2010 12:00:31 GMT -5
As much as I love my puck-moving d-men, I believe Iginla posseses the ingredients that we so desperately need up-front. STRONG leadership and a VERY hard-nosed determination in a player that can STILL provide top-notch scoring. His proven rapport with Cammy would give us LETHAL offense when considering the Gomez/Gionta combo PROVIDED P.K. and friends can contribute accordingly.
Yep, I think I'd do this deal. Call up Weber and get back to Montreal Canadiens Firewagon brand of hockey!
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Post by HFTO on Jul 15, 2010 14:06:47 GMT -5
You'd have to consider it Markov, may not be the same given his recent setbacks.They proved they could win somewhat without him but they'd still need to shore up the back end.
Without this trade I think we need an uprade on D.
HFTO
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Post by IamCanadiens on Jul 22, 2010 13:16:32 GMT -5
Why oh why would Calgary do this. Their D is very solid with Bouwmeester, Regehr, White et al. Giordano is extremely underrated and I think he'll keep improving too. Their issue is a lack of scoring so why would they trade their best goal scorer for another dman? Especially when their view is to try and win now. In my opinion Markov is the best player in the deal and Iggy is on the decline but this scenario certainly doesn't make any sense from a needs point of view.
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Post by GNick99 on Dec 3, 2010 8:07:48 GMT -5
Watched "That's Hockey" last night on TSN, they were discussing the Flames and said Iginla looks like a very dejected hockey player after latest Flames game. Speculated good chance Iginla may be willing to waive his no-trade clause by the deadline. It is a Toronto show, so take it with a grain of salt, Ignila type of player we may be interested in come trade deadline
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 4, 2010 10:33:18 GMT -5
...Markov being on LTIR, we sure become one of the few teams that (a) can accomodate a salary like Iginla and (b) that is competitive enough to be apealing.
But I get a feeling Calgary would want an homerun kind a deal for their marquee player.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 4, 2010 13:00:20 GMT -5
...Markov being on LTIR, we sure become one of the few teams that (a) can accomodate a salary like Iginla and (b) that is competitive enough to be apealing. But I get a feeling Calgary would want an homerun kind a deal for their marquee player. And so they should feel that way, Doc. Can you imagine Jerome in Montreal? Dude! |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 4, 2010 20:36:52 GMT -5
When Markov goes on LTIR - he has to miss 10 games first (which I think tonight was the ninth or tenth), then it will free up 3.864 million
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Post by Anardil1 on Dec 4, 2010 21:18:25 GMT -5
I'm really wary of the price that the Habs would have to pay to acquire a player in steady decline (IMHO of course).
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Post by Disp on Dec 4, 2010 22:07:16 GMT -5
Too much cash for what he's been bringing lately, no thanks.
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Post by HFTO on Dec 5, 2010 16:49:15 GMT -5
Iginla would definitely make other teams stand up and look at the Habs but at what cost.
There are rumours or Wojet Wolski being moved he's big young and not overly priced wonder what it would take to pry him from Phoenix.
You'd like to see more goals from him but put him with Pleks you might see this kid hit the next level.
I'd inquire anyways...the Habs need to get a tad bigger and younger.
HFTO
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 5, 2010 17:33:36 GMT -5
Seven more years of Kovalchuk makes it look like Lou Lamourillo broke a mirror.
Five more years of Gomez are painful.
At one time Iginla was a stud. He played for Calgary. Today he is a shadow of what he once was with an albatros contract.
Alexsi Yashin was an anchor with a contract that put the Islanders in the hole for years.
Long term contracts saddle a team.
As much as I think Markov is on the top of his game, in five years he will be an ageing veteran (if his knees last that long).
Long term contracts and the salary cap do not go well together.
Rocket Richard retired a young man but his production was in decline.
Wayne Gretzky, the greatest player that ever lived was still a very good player when he retired, but he was a shadow of his $15 millkion dollar peak.
Super Mario retired after his decline from great to very good.
Mr. Hockey, Gordie Howe was an exception, but at the end of his career he was an exception, not exceptional.
Chris Chelios will try to hang on in the Siberian Beer league playing for 10 ruples a game. He's not the great defenseman he was.
Sadly, we revere, like, admire the greats and former greats, but paying them for what they did years ago doesn't make sense or help the team that's stuck paying them.
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Post by GNick99 on Dec 6, 2010 6:02:41 GMT -5
I see a Ignila trade something like a Frank Mahovlich type trade. We get 2-3 years out of veteran to put us over the top.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 6, 2010 9:21:33 GMT -5
I see a Ignila trade something like a Frank Mahovlich type trade. We get 2-3 years out of veteran to put us over the top. That's how I see it too. It would be a move for the "here and now". HABS made the conference finals last year and are hanging in the top tier this year. All without their best player in Markov. You have to think that we're only one or 2 moves away from being a contender. You have to think that there is a window for us. Iginla brings something we don't have. A big physical character player that can play in the top 6. Big salary? Sure. Not a Maurice Richard candidate anymore? Sure. But look at his current production. Not exactly chopped liver either. |
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Post by blny on Dec 6, 2010 9:47:46 GMT -5
If it were to happen, and he gelled with the group, I see him finding his way back to 40/40 form. We've got too many play makers for him not to find his way back to that sort of production - or something close to it.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 6, 2010 10:10:29 GMT -5
I see a Ignila trade something like a Frank Mahovlich type trade. We get 2-3 years out of veteran to put us over the top. That's how I see it too. It would be a move for the "here and now". HABS made the conference finals last year and are hanging in the top tier this year. All without their best player in Markov. You have to think that we're only one or 2 moves away from being a contender. You have to think that there is a window for us. Iginla brings something we don't have. A big physical character player that can play in the top 6. Big salary? Sure. Not a Maurice Richard candidate anymore? Sure. But look at his current production. Not exactly chopped liver either. I really like the comparison GNick made and it fits. If, and it's an "if" at this point, Iginla does come on board it would have a ripple effect on the team, I think anyway. A guy like him who leads from the front would bring the entire up with him. And depending who would go the other way it's possible we'd see Pacioretty make a more permanent jump as well. Fun to talk about but until something actually goes down this is all supposition anyway. Still, I like envisioning the reaction of the rest of the conference if Iginla were to land in Montreal. Can you imagine? Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Dec 6, 2010 10:23:24 GMT -5
Dis,
I imagine if the deal did happen, Max would be part of the package going back. Young, cheap, and potentially the same sort of player going back to Calgary. That said, I'd prefer to send some salary back. If it's going to be a dump, this time we'd best be getting compensated for taking on the cap hit.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 6, 2010 10:53:41 GMT -5
Dis, I imagine if the deal did happen, Max would be part of the package going back. Young, cheap, and potentially the same sort of player going back to Calgary. That said, I'd prefer to send some salary back. If it's going to be a dump, this time we'd best be getting compensated for taking on the cap hit. Well, you're probably right there, BLNY. They'd be looking to replace Iginla's character. I'd hope they'd hang onto Max, but it's hard to say when a guy like Iggy is in the mix. Still, looking at Calgary, what is it they're deficient in? They'll be looking for something coming back that's going to fill some holes for them. Max is a LW, but looking at their roster (I've got TSN open as well) they look to be having holes everywhere. And if it's Iginla leaving (for any team) I think they'll have major problems filling that hole. Huge gamble by Sutter if he decides to move Iginla. It's tough imagining him in a different jersey. That's just me, though. Imagine what it would be like for Calgary fans. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Dec 6, 2010 11:34:43 GMT -5
I think what they want will depend on their plan. Given moves made over the last couple of seasons, I'm hard pressed to figure out what that plan is.
Were I the ownership group in Calgary, I'd be seriously considering stepping in to fix something that is clearly broken.
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