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Post by JFM on Jan 19, 2004 21:33:24 GMT -5
I didn't really catch it since I was in a different room. I caught a bit from Mitch Melnick asking Pierre if the Habs should go after O'Neill IF he's available. Without delay he answered "don't touch him." That was the end of that subject. I was surprised by his quick answer. I have a fairly high opinion of O'Neill, though I have my doubts now, since I greatly respect Maguire's knowledge and opinions of hockey. What could possibly be the problem with O'Neill? Lockerroom cancer? Not a team player? If anyone has heard more from Maguire concerning Jeff O'Neill, I'd like to know why he seems to have a low opinion of Jeff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2004 21:37:44 GMT -5
McGuire's a dork, regardless whatever he says is right or not.
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Post by JFM on Jan 19, 2004 21:54:42 GMT -5
McGuire's a dork, regardless whatever he says is right or not. Regardless of your opinion of him "Maguire", his hockey knowledge is second to none. Besides I didn't start this thread to find out everyone of my fellow posters' personal feelings on Maguire. I'm trying to find out more info as to why he so quickly dismissed the suggestion of going after O'Neill if he is truly available. Or if anyone heard the full Maguire guest spot and fill me in on what I missed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2004 22:11:00 GMT -5
I'm not denying that. It's just at times he talks more than he thinks, kind of like Don Cherry.
Perhaps he just thinks that the team is doing just fine without him, and he could possibly add issues in the dressing room or whatnot. I don't know. Personally I'm not that interested in him with our team playing so well right now.
Don't want him; don't need him.
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Post by AH on Jan 19, 2004 22:31:51 GMT -5
O'Neill is a known head case and a stiff. So what's so surprising about Mcguire recognizing it ?
It takes one to know one !!! ;D
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Post by Forum Ghost on Jan 19, 2004 23:07:32 GMT -5
I would assume that McGuire knows some inside info on O'Neill since he was a former employee of the Whalers/Canes organization.
Whatever it is, the fact that he shot it down right away is making me very curious about what he knows about O'Neill that the rest of us don't.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 20, 2004 6:58:33 GMT -5
O'Neil's going to be a UFA. I don't know anything about O'Neil's character, but if Carolina's looking for more than Hossa or a second rounder plus another pick conditional on re-signing him , I'd say no thanks. If they start talking about Hainsey or Plekanec, I hang up. We can have a very good season and a good playoff run without Jeff O'Neil, and we've got bigger fish to fry over the next two or three years. Stay the course.
Now, if you can add Morrow or Arnott, I'm listening even if the price is steep.
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Post by blny on Jan 20, 2004 7:25:20 GMT -5
O'Neil's going to be a UFA. Jeff is 28 with less than ten years in the NHL, he'll be an RFA at seasons end. Anyone retaining his rights on July 1st will have to qualify him at a 10% raise to keep him. His salary this year is $3.85m. That means a minimum salary of $4.235 next year. That's not cheap to be sure, but if he wasn't in the crapper this season I'd consider it. What MacGuire had to say must have been interesting. I too would like to know what Pierre does regarding Jeff. Maybe Jeff pulled a "Marty Brodeur" with Pierre's S/O ;D. What concerns me the most is while he was putting up the points his +/- was awful. I like that team we have has bought into the system. Things are working. We have a good mix of youth and veterans and they're all on the same page. Any pieces added to the puzzle should be easy to implement into the system. I'm not sure Jeff is that type of player. |
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Post by Rimmer on Jan 20, 2004 7:47:45 GMT -5
O'Neil's going to be a UFA. are you sure about that? he's not 31 (group III) and he hasn't earned less than the league average (group V) the previous season (like Kariya will after he signed with the Avalanche for less than the league average). therefore, he should be a RFA, IMO. R. |
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Post by Rimmer on Jan 20, 2004 7:58:45 GMT -5
Jeff is 28 with less than ten years in the NHL, he'll be an RFA at seasons end. Anyone retaining his rights on July 1st will have to qualify him at a 10% raise to keep him. His salary this year is $3.85m. That means a minimum salary of $4.235 next year. I see you beat me to responding to JV but I think some of your facts are wrong. the 10 seasons you have mentioned are not just NHL season but AHL seasons count as well. but that rule only applies to those who earned less than the league average in the season before they have become eligible (the Kariya example). another thing, the RFAs who earn more than the league average only need to be offered their current salary for a club to retain their rights. so, the way I understand the CBA, O'Neill is a RFA and needs to be offered his current salary. R. |
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 20, 2004 8:04:10 GMT -5
Regardless of your opinion of him "Maguire", his hockey knowledge is second to none. ... you were doing so well...until you said this!!!  However, I must agree with PM that O'Neill should be avoided. A player with a strong character can usually play himself out of his slump. He has struggled all year long and seems to be sulking ever since that "high impact" practice they had early in the season. I would stay away from him. THF |
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 20, 2004 8:19:20 GMT -5
I just think O'Neill is a sniper who needs someone to feed him..but Carolina doesn't have any good passers anymore..Stall is not there yet and Francis is not there anymore...
I really think he would do good on Koivu's wing...maybe even on Ribs' wing too..and he is a force on the PP..
Some say that we shouldn't touch the team 'cause it's going so well...I say Always try to get your team better
CHeers
Lord Stanley
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Post by blny on Jan 20, 2004 13:16:22 GMT -5
I just think O'Neill is a sniper who needs someone to feed him..but Carolina doesn't have any good passers anymore..Stall is not there yet and Francis is not there anymore... Ronnie Franchise is still plugging away in Carolina. Like the rest of the team, Ron is struggling. With 18 points in 40 some odd games it's a downer of a final season. I certainly don't think that one summer has taken him down to the level his points suggest. He had 22g and 57p last year. The cast just isn't producing this year. He would be someone that could garner serious interest at the deadline, that I hadn't thought of before. He's retiring at the end of the season, so a team wouldn't have to give up much to get him. If ROn were interested in going to a team with a chance, for one last run, I think there would be a slew of teams interested. |
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Post by habruti on Jan 20, 2004 13:50:32 GMT -5
I just think O'Neill is a sniper who needs someone to feed him..but Carolina doesn't have any good passers anymore..Stall is not there yet and Francis is not there anymore... I really think he would do good on Koivu's wing...maybe even on Ribs' wing too..and he is a force on the PP.. Some say that we shouldn't touch the team 'cause it's going so well...I say Always try to get your team better CHeers Lord Stanley I think we have an O'Neil++ in Ryder so I do not see why we should ry acquiring him. Taking about the canes though I believe that Justin Williams will be quite an asset for them and should help there team perform a lot better until the end of the season so we should not consider them out of the race just yet. In addition this trade might come just in time for us since there is good likelyhodd that Markov will not play tonight while Williams will not be there for sure.... |
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Post by StevePenny on Jan 20, 2004 15:54:04 GMT -5
Maybe PM is still bitter about O'Neils lame excuss not to play for Team canada..I think it was something like this "I'm terrified of flying so to fly all the way to europe would be very difficult for me". I myself am still bitter about that and even though a change of scenery usualy snaps a player out of a slump i say stay away myself.
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Post by blaise on Jan 20, 2004 23:07:48 GMT -5
PM ain't the coach in Carolina any longer, so his being bitter is water over the dam.
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Post by PTH on Jan 20, 2004 23:28:49 GMT -5
....but that rule only applies to those who earned less than the league average in the season before they have become eligible (the Kariya example). Huh ? Kariya was making 10 million and wasn't given a qualifying offer.... the 10 year, below-average rule would have good examples in guys like Martin Lapointe. Exactly like it was for Kariya.... Anyone who thinks O'Neill might be a UFA is assuming that Carolina won't make him a qualifying offer. And for 4 million, it's possible better players will be available. |
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Post by Rimmer on Jan 21, 2004 3:19:48 GMT -5
Huh ? Kariya was making 10 million and wasn't given a qualifying offer.... the 10 year, below-average rule would have good examples in guys like Martin Lapointe. I was reffering to the current season which would make Kariya's 10th pro season with him earning less than the league average and thus automatically making him a group V UFA at the seasons' end. that's why he accepted a deal of only $1.2 mil. (along with the chance to win the Cup) from Colorado, IIRC. R. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 22, 2004 12:16:45 GMT -5
Now, if you can add Morrow or Arnott, I'm listening even if the price is steep. A month or so ago, this scenario would have had a lot of weight. However, with the team playing as well as it has recently, it's hard to say what impact a significant trade like this would have on the team. That aside, I think Morrow would be difficult to obtain either way. The Stars still value him. But having said that, be careful what you wish for ... they traded Gretzky after all  Cheers. |
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