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Post by Polarice on Dec 6, 2010 6:48:58 GMT -5
Heard last night that Montreal is looking and getting their top 6 forward this week.....I guess Weber is in the mix. Anyone hearing anything?
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Post by franko on Dec 6, 2010 6:55:40 GMT -5
what does Eklund say? haven't heard him spout in quite a while.
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Post by blny on Dec 6, 2010 7:00:57 GMT -5
what does Eklund say? haven't heard him spout in quite a while. If he's not spouting, then there may be some validity to the rumor.  Seriously though, I've not heard a thing. |
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Post by Polarice on Dec 6, 2010 7:14:15 GMT -5
what does Eklund say? haven't heard him spout in quite a while. Just looked, he's just saying a big trade in the works with Calgary, not saying with which teams. |
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Post by blny on Dec 6, 2010 8:23:17 GMT -5
Can you imagine if we sent Gomez to Calgary for Iginla? The irony of it; Gomez would be considerably better than any center Jarome has ever gotten to play with.
All kidding aside, Calgary needs to be blown up. Top down. If I'm ownership, the Sutters need to go. Poor trades and poor signings have left that team with little in the way of a future.
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Post by franko on Dec 6, 2010 8:27:21 GMT -5
what does Eklund say? haven't heard him spout in quite a while. If he's not spouting, then there may be some validity to the rumor. my thoughts too. Just looked, he's just saying a big trade in the works with Calgary, not saying with which teams. oops. throwing straw into the wind again, is he? "he's heard . . . " probably been watching TSN. my guess is that the TO media will be all over it soon: Iggy for Tim Brent and a pick to be found later. |
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Post by blny on Dec 6, 2010 9:17:50 GMT -5
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Post by duster on Dec 6, 2010 15:58:03 GMT -5
I hope Gauthier stays far away from Penner. A frustrating player to watch in much the same way as Kovalev was to us.
Like it or not, Gomez is with us for the rest of the year at least. I can't see any sane GM thinking a massively overpaid 4th line center is the key element needed to win a championship. Mind you, Gainey did trade for him with that in mind and there are bigger fools out there.
The Sutters may have made a few bad trades, but I doubt they give up Iggy for peanuts. I'm not sure he's worth the assets they'll likely want in return.
Personally, I think nothing major happens till January at least. I think NJ is in a tight spot and the Leafs are looking at yet another disastrous season. Both teams are bound to do something.
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Post by blny on Dec 6, 2010 17:06:55 GMT -5
My gut tells me Toronto won't go into massive dump mode. That would require Burke to admit defeat, and it's not in him to really do that. The vultures are already starting to swirl around him, and this would only fuel it.
NJ is a difficult case. The Kovalchuk contract has really screwed them. The first hammer to fall may be on McLean. They should find suitors for Elias and Arnott. Remove what they can and make easier to try and retain Parise. If Parise hits July first unsigned, he can count on his agents fax machine going crazy.
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Post by franko on Dec 6, 2010 17:13:48 GMT -5
Toronto has Kaberle and Burke is going to try to get something -- anything -- for him. he's going to try for a home run and he'll be luck to get a single [OK -- stretch double]. other GMs know that Burke is going to try for a bidding war, but they aren't going to pay through the nose for a UFA. I think [optimist that I am] that GMs are starting to learn not to give away everything for w=someone who may walk away or sign for big big bucks that will do them in *cough*NJ*cough*
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Post by CentreHice on Dec 6, 2010 17:42:25 GMT -5
I don’t know....Cammy can’t catch him.  |
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Post by jkr on Dec 6, 2010 18:42:36 GMT -5
what does Eklund say? haven't heard him spout in quite a while. I used to look at his site nearly every day during a hockey season. This year I think I have been there twice. Just not much substance there. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Dec 11, 2010 16:01:41 GMT -5
Jamie Langenbrunner seems like a logical choice. Most of the Devil fans seems very receptive and are actually at a point where they just want their team captain out. So it appear Langs has played out his welcome in New Jersey.
OHH and I think Kovalev could be had ............. ahhh never mind ;-P
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 11, 2010 16:44:59 GMT -5
Heard last night that Montreal is looking and getting their top 6 forward this week.....I guess Weber is in the mix. Anyone hearing anything? Do you have a source Reap? Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 11, 2010 16:50:48 GMT -5
Can you imagine if we sent Gomez to Calgary for Iginla? The irony of it; Gomez would be considerably better than any center Jarome has ever gotten to play with. All kidding aside, Calgary needs to be blown up. Top down. If I'm ownership, the Sutters need to go. Poor trades and poor signings have left that team with little in the way of a future. The Sutters have systematically destroyed the Flames. I don't follow them, so I don't know what their prospect pool looks like. I also don't know what they may need or where. On the surface it looks like they need something at every position including prospects. And like you say, maybe a new coach and GM wouldn't hurt either. We could relate a few years back I think. Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 11, 2010 16:59:50 GMT -5
The Sutters may have made a few bad trades, but I doubt they give up Iggy for peanuts. I'm not sure he's worth the assets they'll likely want in return. Interesting perspective, duster. What kind of assets do you think Sutter would be looking for in return (just for kicks and giggles)? NJ is really taking a business beating with that Kovalchuk contract. I heard on the "Hotstove" that it's possible they may have to find a way to rid themselves of Parise's contract as well. That's how bad some feel it is I guess. Cheers. |
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Post by duster on Dec 12, 2010 16:20:40 GMT -5
The Sutters may have made a few bad trades, but I doubt they give up Iggy for peanuts. I'm not sure he's worth the assets they'll likely want in return. Interesting perspective, duster. What kind of assets do you think Sutter would be looking for in return (just for kicks and giggles)? Agreed, for laughs...  Looking at the current situation in terms of prospects in the Calgary org, the present roster and the available cap space, it's agreed the Sutters are in a real jam. Iggy is still an elite player with a few years left in him. He is the face of the franchise in many ways so trading him away means rebuilding essentially. That would mean prospects, high draft picks or relatively inexpensive high ceiling young players, imo. Most teams are pretty close to the cap (self imposed one or league imposed) and very few teams can easily provide top picks, elite prospects, or high quality roster players in addition to accommodating a $7 million dollar salary without getting in the same jam as Lamoriello. As good a player as Iggy is, you can't rebuild around him due to his age so he would have to be the complementary piece ( la piece maitresse) to a contender or wannabe. The reality, as I see it, is few teams can afford an aging $7 million player -no matter how good - without the Flames likely taking some salary in return. In a cap world, which team is willing to give up a premier player(s) making less money for three years of expensive Iggy? Boston maybe? Rangers? Philly and the Pens are good at this sort of thing but what can they offer the Sutters? Giroux? Would Pittsburgh part with Jordan Stahl? So, my argument is a limited pool of potential trade partners means less bargaining power for the Sutters. Based on that premise, I don't believe they would get full value for Iggy if they trade him during the season, so I wouldn't be surprised if they wait till this summer. Meanwhile, since it's to Calgary's advantage to wait, any team who wants Iginla badly this year likely overpays. The one team that can really afford to do this is Boston. They are close to contention and they have plenty of assets to help a team like Calgary rebuild. For example, they can offer Toronto's 2011 pick, and a combination or choice of a right wing prospect like Caron, and/or a centre like Colborne or even possibly a defenseman like Alexandrov. Add to that a good right wing roster player like Wheeler or perhaps Tukka Rask since Thomas is signed long term and Kiprusoff might be used to further reinforce the Flames. To make the salaries work, Boston would have to repeat what it did with Sturm and that where I see Ryder moving on at the trade deadline. It's definitely an overpayment, but think of a Bruins team with Iginla, Savard, Krejci, Lucic, Horton, Chara, Seguin with Thomas and/or Rask in nets. That's a contending lineup this year and for many years to come. Meanwhile, Sutter rebuilds some of his team core and gets cap relief. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 13, 2010 11:06:39 GMT -5
There is no way Sutter takes another member of the Ryder family on the Flames ... he will be asking for Krecji or maybe Lucic, and Boston will walk away.
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Post by Polarice on Dec 13, 2010 13:18:03 GMT -5
Heard last night that Montreal is looking and getting their top 6 forward this week.....I guess Weber is in the mix. Anyone hearing anything? Do you have a source Reap? Cheers. Yepper, but nothing in the press. Also, heard last week that Brad Richards was asked if he would wave his no trade to go to Montreal and he said yes. But heard nothing on it lately. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 13, 2010 13:26:44 GMT -5
Do you have a source Reap? Cheers. Yepper, but nothing in the press. Also, heard last week that Brad Richards was asked if he would wave his no trade to go to Montreal and he said yes. But heard nothing on it lately. I've wanted Richards forever but how do they fit that salary into the cap? |
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Post by Polarice on Dec 13, 2010 13:42:17 GMT -5
Yepper, but nothing in the press. Also, heard last week that Brad Richards was asked if he would wave his no trade to go to Montreal and he said yes. But heard nothing on it lately. I've wanted Richards forever but how do they fit that salary into the cap? right now we have 5.9 million is cap space....I'm guessing it would be pretty close. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 13, 2010 13:50:39 GMT -5
I've wanted Richards forever but how do they fit that salary into the cap? right now we have 5.9 million is cap space....I'm guessing it would be pretty close. You can add to that depending on which player(s) go the other way. Not just to Dallas, but with any team that may want to dance. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 13, 2010 14:18:16 GMT -5
Yepper, but nothing in the press. Also, heard last week that Brad Richards was asked if he would wave his no trade to go to Montreal and he said yes. But heard nothing on it lately. I've wanted Richards forever but how do they fit that salary into the cap? Brad Richards would be a 5.0 million cap hit today ... and with each passing day his cap hit only gets lower. |
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Post by blny on Dec 13, 2010 14:35:50 GMT -5
I've wanted Richards forever but how do they fit that salary into the cap? Brad Richards would be a 5.0 million cap hit today ... and with each passing day his cap hit only gets lower. Until Jul 1, 2011. You'd have to assume his next contract will be for a similar dollar amount to the $7.8 million he's making now. He'd be a pure rental unless we found someone to take Gomez from us. |
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Post by duster on Dec 13, 2010 18:39:23 GMT -5
There is no way Sutter takes another member of the Ryder family on the Flames ... he will be asking for Krecji or maybe Lucic, and Boston will walk away. Agreed. I didn't imply that Sutter takes Ryder. Rather, I meant that Ryder could be traded to another team most likely for futures in much the same way as Sturm. The premise was which team could likely overpay if they wanted Iginla. Boston is one of the few teams that can afford to give up a bunch without crippling their existing team. They might not give up Lucic or Krecji, but they have enough to make the Flames a compelling offer if need be. |
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