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Post by blny on Feb 5, 2011 23:12:30 GMT -5
Well, Lebrun has Pittsburgh targeting Arnott for starters. Says they'll be very aggressive and in the hunt for the best top 6 available - whoever he is. The guy from Calgary tried to connect them to Kovalev. The latter is him admittedly 'trying to start a rumour'.
Lebrun has the Habs 'definitely' interested in Phillips and Kaberle. Says they've spoken to Ottawa for sure. Pierre also said that Boston is inquiring about both as well. Bidding war? Here's hoping not. Anything is possible with 30 games left, but I'd wager we don't play Boston in the first round, if at all. As a result, I don't want to get into a bidding ware with them. Let them pay too much.
They also said calls to Toronto for Versteeg are heating up quite a bit in the last few days.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 6, 2011 7:54:19 GMT -5
Arnott would be interesting but feel Phillips will be a mistake. Arnott is big, got some Stanley Cup experience, good face-off guy, can score, played the wing in the past and I doubt would cost much in a trade. About everything we are looking for. Phillips on the other hand...
Phillips this year looks like his career is near the end. Some players are like that, at 32 or 33 they are essentially done. Steve Shutt or Bobby Smith be an example. On other hand some players can play effectively into their 40s, Larry Robinson or Chris Chelios. He doesn't look like the same Chris Phillips of 3-4 years ago. Phillips has gone form 8 goals scored and a +8 last season to zero goals scored and a plus/minus of -23 this year. He is one of the reasons for Sens downfall this year, his game hasn't gone down hill more like dropped off the cliff. Not much of an upgrade over Picard at this point in his career. I can understand the big name, the link to JM and PG, but if it wasn't for the contract I would rather take Komisarek back. On top of that rumours have it Ottawa is asking high for their rentals.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 6, 2011 9:15:56 GMT -5
I can understand the big name, the link to JM and PG, but if it wasn't for the contract I would rather take Komisarek back. On top of that rumours have it Ottawa is asking high for their rentals. No thanks. Komisarek has three years left on his contract and while I can't say for sure, I'm willing to bet that Burke would be willing to move him if he had a taker. Someone here on the boards mentioned that he's only getting third-pair minutes in TO right now because he's been THAT brutal. I also saw him lose another fight yesterday. Man, it looked like a well-executed MMA take down. All Komisarek did was tap the guy on the back as if to say, "... well done ..." (looked like a tap out too mind you). Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 6, 2011 10:34:50 GMT -5
I can understand the big name, the link to JM and PG, but if it wasn't for the contract I would rather take Komisarek back. On top of that rumours have it Ottawa is asking high for their rentals. No thanks. Komisarek has three years left on his contract and while I can't say for sure, I'm willing to bet that Burke would be willing to move him if he had a taker. Someone here on the boards mentioned that he's only getting third-pair minutes in TO right now because he's been THAT brutal. I also saw him lose another fight yesterday. Man, it looked like a well-executed MMA take down. All Komisarek did was tap the guy on the back as if to say, "... well done ..." (looked like a tap out too mind you). Cheers. I said it if wasn't for Komisarek's contract. Nobody would touch that contract. Phillips or Komisarek neither would add much to our team. Both are bottom pairing defensemen at this stage of their career. Komisarek hasn't been the same since Lucic beat him up and Phillips is on downside of career. The main problem with Phillips is he'll cost around our first round pick. |
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Post by blny on Feb 6, 2011 11:43:09 GMT -5
I think the best thing for Phillips is to get out of Ottawa. The environment is a killer. He's not elite, but he is good, and he'll be one of the more sought after defenders this summer.
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Post by Anardil1 on Feb 6, 2011 11:59:24 GMT -5
I think the best thing for Phillips is to get out of Ottawa. The environment is a killer. He's not elite, but he is good, and he'll be one of the more sought after defenders this summer. I would have to agree BLNY. I believe that the best thing for Phillips would be to get out of Ottawa. It's one thing to play for a crappy team in the Sunbelt, where you can lose in relative anonymity, however, losing in a Canadian city can really send your game down the crapper in a heartbeat. I'd pursue Phillips, as long as the price is right. |
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Post by franko on Feb 6, 2011 13:57:35 GMT -5
Phillips is a solid d-man that is expected to carry the team. put him on the Habs and his play improves dramatically.
don't think anyone is going to give up a first for him . . . . probably looking at a 2nd and a 5th . . . the 5th maybe . . . and a conditional pick if he resigns.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 6, 2011 14:13:19 GMT -5
No thanks. Komisarek has three years left on his contract and while I can't say for sure, I'm willing to bet that Burke would be willing to move him if he had a taker. Someone here on the boards mentioned that he's only getting third-pair minutes in TO right now because he's been THAT brutal. I also saw him lose another fight yesterday. Man, it looked like a well-executed MMA take down. All Komisarek did was tap the guy on the back as if to say, "... well done ..." (looked like a tap out too mind you). Cheers. I said it if wasn't for Komisarek's contract. Nobody would touch that contract. Phillips or Komisarek neither would add much to our team. Both are bottom pairing defensemen at this stage of their career. Komisarek hasn't been the same since Lucic beat him up and Phillips is on downside of career. The main problem with Phillips is he'll cost around our first round pick. Yes, GNick, I know. I was trying to agree with you. But, even if his contract was somewhat reasonable I wouldn't go after him. We'd be taking a step backwards IMHO. Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 6, 2011 14:16:31 GMT -5
Phillips is a solid d-man that is expected to carry the team. put him on the Habs and his play improves dramatically. don't think anyone is going to give up a first for him . . . . probably looking at a 2nd and a 5th . . . the 5th maybe . . . and a conditional pick if he resigns. I don't know what Murray would be looking for but it depends on what Gauthier wants to do now. Does he feel Phillips is worth a pretty penny or does he think we're not all that close? I wish both Phillips and Fisher were in a different division. I'd really like to see the rest of the division's reaction if we landed both these guys. Again, though, the price might not be worth it, more so if we're not all that close anyway. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 6, 2011 14:34:28 GMT -5
I like Fisher, but I don't know that I like him enough to take on a $4.2 million cap hit for another 2 years. I'd rather spend that money on an RJ Umberger honestly.
Phillips would be a great rental for the right price, and could be a really good signing.
Boston's interest concerns me. They could easily make things like an auction and be there only to raise the price. That's why it's key to determine a value, and what you're willing to spend.
I would be comfortable with a 2nd and a conditional pick. If signed, I'd be willing to throw in a later round pick. I'd be unwilling to fork over a significant prospect.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 6, 2011 14:55:07 GMT -5
I like Fisher, but I don't know that I like him enough to take on a $4.2 million cap hit for another 2 years. I'd rather spend that money on an RJ Umberger honestly. Phillips would be a great rental for the right price, and could be a really good signing. Boston's interest concerns me. They could easily make things like an auction and be there only to raise the price. That's why it's key to determine a value, and what you're willing to spend. I would be comfortable with a 2nd and a conditional pick. If signed, I'd be willing to throw in a later round pick. I'd be unwilling to fork over a significant prospect. Good post, BLNY. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Feb 6, 2011 15:03:59 GMT -5
Good post, BLNY. Cheers.[/quote] Merci mon ami. |
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Post by HFTO on Feb 6, 2011 17:22:25 GMT -5
As much as the Habs need help it makes no sense to get in a bidding war.
The cupboard has few pieces and I doubt they have the resources to get an impact player.
I'm leaning toward slight bolstering and regrouping with a potential killer D corps next year and another draft under our belt.
HFTO
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 7, 2011 6:01:55 GMT -5
Hockey central had an article this weekend with Oilers making an offer for Phillips. They want Phillips as veteran to their young club and are dangling Penner. Phillips is an Albertan and Ottawa tried to acquire Penner before in the original Heatley trade which he vetoed.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 7, 2011 8:11:30 GMT -5
I like Fisher, but I don't know that I like him enough to take on a $4.2 million cap hit for another 2 years. I'd rather spend that money on an RJ Umberger honestly. Phillips would be a great rental for the right price, and could be a really good signing. Boston's interest concerns me. They could easily make things like an auction and be there only to raise the price. That's why it's key to determine a value, and what you're willing to spend. I would be comfortable with a 2nd and a conditional pick. If signed, I'd be willing to throw in a later round pick. I'd be unwilling to fork over a significant prospect. I don't think we have a second for this year ... we gave up our second in the Dominic Moore trade, and didn't we trade the compensatopry second (Fischer not signing) to acquire Wizniewski? So the second would have to be in 2012 ... not sure how deep the 2012 draft class is, but this year it is pretty weak and would be easier to swallow. |
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Post by franko on Feb 7, 2011 9:01:10 GMT -5
more and more noise about Kovy coming back to the Habs [maybe a talk with Gainey and specializing him on the PP, which needs something!].
it may play out like htis:
Phillips for a second and a fifth
Phillips and Kovy for a second ;D
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Post by blny on Feb 7, 2011 9:27:58 GMT -5
I like Fisher, but I don't know that I like him enough to take on a $4.2 million cap hit for another 2 years. I'd rather spend that money on an RJ Umberger honestly. Phillips would be a great rental for the right price, and could be a really good signing. Boston's interest concerns me. They could easily make things like an auction and be there only to raise the price. That's why it's key to determine a value, and what you're willing to spend. I would be comfortable with a 2nd and a conditional pick. If signed, I'd be willing to throw in a later round pick. I'd be unwilling to fork over a significant prospect. I don't think we have a second for this year ... we gave up our second in the Dominic Moore trade, and didn't we trade the compensatopry second (Fischer not signing) to acquire Wizniewski? So the second would have to be in 2012 ... not sure how deep the 2012 draft class is, but this year it is pretty weak and would be easier to swallow. I thought the second for Moore was from the 2010 draft. Regardless, my point was that would be the sort of price I'm comfortable with. |
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Post by blny on Feb 7, 2011 9:29:22 GMT -5
more and more noise about Kovy coming back to the Habs [maybe a talk with Gainey and specializing him on the PP, which needs something!]. it may play out like htis: Phillips for a second and a fifth Phillips and Kovy for a second ;D Do I think Alex would find some sense of rejuvenation coming back to Montreal? Probably. It doesn't relieve my apprehension though. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 7, 2011 11:22:14 GMT -5
I don't think we have a second for this year ... we gave up our second in the Dominic Moore trade, and didn't we trade the compensatopry second (Fischer not signing) to acquire Wizniewski? So the second would have to be in 2012 ... not sure how deep the 2012 draft class is, but this year it is pretty weak and would be easier to swallow. I thought the second for Moore was from the 2010 draft. Regardless, my point was that would be the sort of price I'm comfortable with. Not according to this site ... Montreal Trades |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 7, 2011 13:52:03 GMT -5
The way I remember it our second round pick this year when for Moore. Compensation pick we got for not signing Fischer went for Wiz. Our 2010 second rounder when in the Matt Schneider trade a couple of years ago.
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Post by blny on Feb 7, 2011 14:25:25 GMT -5
Ahhh ... too much to keep track of lol.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 7, 2011 16:38:59 GMT -5
Correction on my earlier post, I just looked it up. Our 2nd round pick in 2010 went to move up in 1st round to draft Tinordi. It was our 3rd round pick in 2010 went for Schneider back in '09
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Post by jkr on Feb 7, 2011 17:22:07 GMT -5
Milbury proved he is still a terrible GM when the subject of Kovalev came up - he said he would actually take a shot with him.  |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 9, 2011 15:24:51 GMT -5
Boston is the team to watch, IMO. They have two picks in the 1st round (theirs and Toronto's) and now they have a bunch of cap space with Savard going on IR. You also have an energized but impatient fan base, especially after the epic collapse last year against the Flyers. I can see them making a big splash at the deadline.
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Post by franko on Feb 9, 2011 17:22:24 GMT -5
and . . . the speculation begins.
from Ottawa: Montreal and Boston are in the mix for Phillips.
Murray would love a first-rounder. Toronto's plus for Phillips and Karlsson [Chiarelli says the pick is in play]?
the games begin.
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Post by blny on Feb 9, 2011 18:12:16 GMT -5
No way in this lifetime would I give up a first + for Phillips. Boston can have him.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 9, 2011 18:37:30 GMT -5
This year's trade deadline should be one of busiest yet, I don't think I can remember a trade deadline with so many big names potentially to be moved.
The usual type of players we expect to see moved like Kaberle, Phillips, Kovalev or Fisher. But big names are rumuored to be moved. Hawks want to move Seabrooke, Rangers listening to offers on Gaborik, Leafs may move Versteeg, Bogosian of the Thrashers, Ales Hemsky, Dustin Penner, Zack Parise, just a long list of talent moving around
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 13, 2011 6:46:43 GMT -5
Found this on web...not sure how credible it is though - Dallas Dave twitter
#Habs shopping Andrei Kostitsyn for a defencemen. Unconfirmed rumors that they've offered Kostitsyn + Weber for Kaberle, still checking that
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Post by franko on Feb 13, 2011 8:37:36 GMT -5
too much for a rental, unless it is Weber for Kaberle and AK thrown in to dump him.
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Post by HFTO on Feb 13, 2011 10:14:15 GMT -5
Who would you rather have on the top six AK or Kovalev going into the playoffs? A bunch of fans would be happier but please lets not start going backwards.
Phillips can't be worth more than a 3rd or 4th if you ask me at best.
No more trades with the Leafs why would we want any of their poison.
HFTO
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