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Post by GNick99 on Feb 8, 2011 3:42:04 GMT -5
On Hockey Central tonight they were saying Edmonton has been calling around the league to see if any interest in Dustin Penner and Ales Hemsky this trade deadline.
Habs near league bottom in goals for, maybe should take a gamble on one of these players?
Penner is a big strong forward on pace for 28 goals scored on terrible hockey team. Hemsky has 31 points in 35 games. Neither are rentals, Penner and Hemsky will not be UFA until after 2011-12 season, both are signed for next year with a cap hit of 4.2 million. And, unlike Phillips or Arnott neither are near the end of their career. Hemsky is 28 and Penner 29.
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Post by blny on Feb 8, 2011 6:53:05 GMT -5
Hemsky is glass joe. He's hurt all the time.
Penner might fit in okay, but I question his work ethic constantly. If he plays even remotely hard, he's exactly the type of player we need.
They have to take Kostitsyn in return.
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Post by 24in93 on Feb 8, 2011 9:27:16 GMT -5
I'd think PG will at least kick the tires on Dusty. A big body up front is exactly what we need for any hope at getting past the Fleas this year.
And agree about Kosty having to go the other way.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 8, 2011 9:49:39 GMT -5
If they have to take Kosty, then you can bet we will have to sweeten the pot. The only reason I see them dumping Penner/Hemsky is to get better for the future, OR a salary dump and they accomplish neither by taking Kosty.
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Post by blny on Feb 8, 2011 9:59:37 GMT -5
There are advantages to taking Andrei in compensation. They can sign him to a contract and have a guy that will contribute similar points to that of Penner for less. Or, they can let him walk and maybe sign an offer sheet with another NHL club. If someone were to sign Andrei to a contract worth what he's making now, it's a first and a third to Edmonton. Unlikely, but a first and a third for Penner (in essence) would be a great return imo.
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Post by HFTO on Feb 8, 2011 13:00:35 GMT -5
Penner could really thrive with Plekanec he's the guy you target but It'll cost you most likely Eller and a first to start he won't come cheaply.
HFTO
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Post by blny on Feb 8, 2011 13:21:03 GMT -5
Penner could really thrive with Plekanec he's the guy you target but It'll cost you most likely Eller and a first to start he won't come cheaply. HFTO I'd rather give the first as a compensatory pick with Kostitsyn. Eller is locked up long term essentially. If they want that player and the security that comes with being able to qualify him for several more years, then the pick HAS to diminish in quality imo. Kostitsyn doesn't sign, here's our first. Kostitsyn signs, even swap. Penner is no hugely better statistically, and certainly not on paper. Penner the last four years: GP G A P PIM 82 29 16 45 58 82 23 24 47 45 78 17 20 37 61 82 32 31 63 38 Kostitsyn the last four years: 22 1 10 11 6 78 26 27 53 29 74 23 18 41 50 59 15 18 33 32 Factor in the playoffs, and Kostitsyn certainly makes up for any short comings when comparing. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 8, 2011 14:08:07 GMT -5
There are advantages to taking Andrei in compensation. They can sign him to a contract and have a guy that will contribute similar points to that of Penner for less. Or, they can let him walk and maybe sign an offer sheet with another NHL club. If someone were to sign Andrei to a contract worth what he's making now, it's a first and a third to Edmonton. Unlikely, but a first and a third for Penner (in essence) would be a great return imo. Kostitsyn makes 3.25 (Penner makes 4.25). If Edmonton signs him he will be making Penner money, so IMO, the salary dump angle would be very negligible. There is only compensation if a team makes an RFA offer sheet to Kostitsyn. I don't see it happening. No one would want to lose a first rounder for Kostitsyn. If they would, then PG would have traded him for a first rounder straight up by now I would think ... A first and a third would be an excellent return for Penner, if it was guaranteed. Acquiring Kosty does not make it a guarantee. They'd be better off trading Penner straight up for a roster player and a first rounder - which is what I think they will do. If Edmonton trades Penner it won't be about replacing Penner financially or statistically, it will be about getting better in the future ... I'd go with Kosty, Pahlusaj, and one of White/Weber (if they want our first rounder we take Pahlusaj, White and/or Weber off the table) .... we get Penner and some toss ins (BCs perhaps). Are we going to be able to draft a Penner this year? I don't see it. Can we replace Kosty? Like you said Penner replaces him, but so does Leblanc, Pacioretty, Pouliot, .... getting a bigger top six all the time.  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 8, 2011 14:36:17 GMT -5
Hemsky would drive Habs fans nuts. He is often injured and tends to play a real perimeter game and always seems to think pass first over taking the shot. Penner would make more sense in terms of team needs. He is definitely overpaid (some of those Kevin Lowe deals/moves were doozies) but he could thrive with good linemates and also create time and space for the smaller skilled guys. We have guys willing to go to the net, just not many who can do much when they get there. Penner has the size to do both.
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Post by blny on Feb 8, 2011 16:44:52 GMT -5
I don't think there's any guarantee that Andrei gets a $1 million raise. Penner was signed to an offersheet that many thought was high.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 9, 2011 1:49:09 GMT -5
Someone gets our first pick over my dead body, unless its a Grade A player under 25 years of age.
Edmonton is really badly in need of defensemen. When Ryan Whitney went down, their PP went south. Weber would be very attractive to them.
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Post by franko on Feb 9, 2011 6:48:03 GMT -5
I too would be very careful throwing out our first-rounder. there are exceptions, of course, but Penner? uh-uh.
we'd be doing Edmonton a favour by taking him off their hands -- he hasn't been the player they expected, and the "over-payment factor" makes it doubly bad for them.
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