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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2011 18:18:33 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Feb 14, 2011 18:29:09 GMT -5
so Burke gets a 1st rounder back although it will probably be a pretty late choice. So he's bailing on the season by trading away a guy who is just 24 for a pick that could be years away from the Leafs lineup.
Just what exactly is his plan??
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 14, 2011 18:30:12 GMT -5
Here you go buds.
Guess Flyers' management must feel they're close to a Cup and that Versteeg is a good fit, seeing as how they gave up a first rounder to Toronto.
Burke did well today.
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2011 18:42:11 GMT -5
Flyers are likely gonna be top two in the league this year. That's picking 29-30 in a weak draft. They are close. Looks like the second pick is a third, and Burke is shopping it.
Burke gets a first and a third for a middle of the road (IMO) second line player with a year left on his deal. TSN hinting that they felt Versteeg should have got more. Hogwash.
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Post by franko on Feb 14, 2011 18:54:11 GMT -5
Flyers thinking this might be their time, but still haven't addressed the Achilles heel in goal, though Bob is an upgrade on Leighton
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Post by Skilly on Feb 14, 2011 19:07:30 GMT -5
Flyers are likely gonna be top two in the league this year. That's picking 29-30 in a weak draft. They are close. Looks like the second pick is a third, and Burke is shopping it. Burke gets a first and a third for a middle of the road (IMO) second line player with a year left on his deal. TSN hinting that they felt Versteeg should have got more. Hogwash. Draft picks are based on how you finish in the playoffs. That first rounder could be as high as 21-22 if the Flyers are eliminated in the first round |
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 14, 2011 19:17:31 GMT -5
We should get same for Kostitsyn, or close to it.
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2011 19:44:09 GMT -5
Flyers are likely gonna be top two in the league this year. That's picking 29-30 in a weak draft. They are close. Looks like the second pick is a third, and Burke is shopping it. Burke gets a first and a third for a middle of the road (IMO) second line player with a year left on his deal. TSN hinting that they felt Versteeg should have got more. Hogwash. Draft picks are based on how you finish in the playoffs. That first rounder could be as high as 21-22 if the Flyers are eliminated in the first round Yes. Oversight on my part. |
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2011 19:53:26 GMT -5
We should get same for Kostitsyn, or close to it. It's a comparable, but for one thing. Versteeg has a Cup ring. He's also had two pretty solid playoffs in a row. Misguided though it may be, I think Kris has a tag of clutch performer. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 14, 2011 20:38:24 GMT -5
We should get same for Kostitsyn, or close to it. It's a comparable, but for one thing. Versteeg has a Cup ring. He's also had two pretty solid playoffs in a row. Misguided though it may be, I think Kris has a tag of clutch performer. I believe Versteeg played well in Chicago partly because it was a winning environment. He was a role player and he could concentrate on just that because his team was that good. He went to Toronto and his role seemed to change. I guess coming from the Hawks raised expectations. It didn't work out mainly because of the stagnant environment (I believe to be anyway). Now, he's right back to what he was doing in Chicago. He's back in a winning environment and he can focus solely on his role. I suspect he'll do better mainly because of those factors. Could be talking out of my ear here, but that's the way I see it anyway. Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 14, 2011 20:42:11 GMT -5
Exactly how I see it, Dis. Versteeg is leading a charmed career so far. Mark Recchi-style.  The happiest man in the league right now. |
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Post by blny on Feb 14, 2011 21:04:12 GMT -5
I don't disagree, but Montreal hasn't exactly been a losing environment. Kostitsyn has had every chance to succeed. When the chips are down, I think those in power are going to value Kris higher - right or wrong.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 14, 2011 21:36:43 GMT -5
I'm not saying that Montreal isn't a winning environment.....just drawing the similarity between Versteeg's role on the Black Hawks and the Flyers. It's almost the same fit.
That said, at this point, Philly has a much better shot at the Cup than do the Habs, IMO.
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Post by HFTO on Feb 14, 2011 22:28:13 GMT -5
With all the injuries it's not our year still you never know but the odds are stacked against them.
AS for the Leafs who cares what Burkes plan is..I do know he keeps making rivals in the division stronger.
HFTO
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Post by seventeen on Feb 15, 2011 0:09:16 GMT -5
I may be wrong, but last year in Chicago, wasn't Versteeg a 3rd line guy? In that role (which is probably where he will be in Philly), it really solidifies the Flyer forwards. He was asked to be a first line guy in Toronto and he can't fill that role. Against poorer players, he will look better.
The question with Philly, as always, is their goaltending. A team with big forwards, who will challenge the Philly defensemen in the crease area, can cause Philly no end of trouble. That's not us, of course.
It's the team I'd least like to win the cup, so I've got my orange voodoo dolls chock full of pins now.
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Post by blny on Feb 15, 2011 7:01:41 GMT -5
Kris is a fine support player. I think he floated between 2nd and 3rd line duty in Chicago. Burke, and his pro scouts, made another miscalculation.
The Leafs plan? I think Versteeg and McArthur are clones, and the later comes in a lot cheaper and may be a better player. Moving Versteeg out gets Burke some assets. He can tell people the Leafs have a first this year. And, he has more room to re-sign McArthur.
What Leafs fans need to be asking is "the first and third we got from the Flyers, and Bill Sweatt from Chicago, worth Viktor Stalberg, Chris DiDomenico and Philippe Paradis."
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Post by Polarice on Feb 15, 2011 7:25:39 GMT -5
I've never seen a player so happy to get away from a team in a long time!!
Hate the trade, I hate when a team we're gonna meet in the playoffs just keeps getting better while we sit and watch!!
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Post by blny on Feb 15, 2011 7:38:39 GMT -5
Just watched his interview with LeafsTV from the hotel lobby. He was having a hard time removing the smile from his face that's for sure. Can't blame him really. The Flyers, with him, have one of the best top 9s in the league - if not the best.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 15, 2011 8:03:37 GMT -5
Exactly how I see it, Dis. Versteeg is leading a charmed career so far. Mark Recchi-style. The happiest man in the league right now. Nope .... that honour goes to Peter Chiarelli Not sure what Burke's plan is, but he better have one ... he said they are going to make a move to challenge for that 8th spot. But moving your best player for a first in a really weak draft is moving in the other direction. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 15, 2011 8:33:19 GMT -5
so Burke gets a 1st rounder back although it will probably be a pretty late choice. So he's bailing on the season by trading away a guy who is just 24 for a pick that could be years away from the Leafs lineup. Just what exactly is his plan?? Yeah, I find it to be a bit of a head-scratcher too. He gives up a 24 year old proven NHLer, capable of scoring 20-30 goals a year, for an unknown 18 year old who, if the odds are right, will probably never play in the NHL. I think that if you look at all the players drafted between 25th and 30th overall the odds are against you making it in any significant way. Of course there are exceptions, and getting a first round pick is never a bad thing... but for a 24 year old? Versteeg could and should have been part of their rebuild. The only thing I can see is that Versteeg does have a big cap hit, and freeing up some more money for a run at a guy like Richards might be in the plan. We'll have to see. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 15, 2011 8:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 15, 2011 9:07:23 GMT -5
Versteeg will do well in Philadelphia, but does anyone know what his salary hit will do to their cap space? The Flyers have some pretty big salaries as it is now.
Cheers.
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Post by franko on Feb 15, 2011 9:18:40 GMT -5
they'll be close but should be OK with Laperriere not coming back this season
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Post by Polarice on Feb 15, 2011 9:57:54 GMT -5
I guess the Leafs just traded for Voros for a 7th.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 15, 2011 10:53:28 GMT -5
so Burke gets a 1st rounder back although it will probably be a pretty late choice. So he's bailing on the season by trading away a guy who is just 24 for a pick that could be years away from the Leafs lineup. Just what exactly is his plan?? Yeah, I find it to be a bit of a head-scratcher too. He gives up a 24 year old proven NHLer, capable of scoring 20-30 goals a year, for an unknown 18 year old who, if the odds are right, will probably never play in the NHL. I think that if you look at all the players drafted between 25th and 30th overall the odds are against you making it in any significant way. Of course there are exceptions, and getting a first round pick is never a bad thing... but for a 24 year old? Versteeg could and should have been part of their rebuild. The only thing I can see is that Versteeg does have a big cap hit, and freeing up some more money for a run at a guy like Richards might be in the plan. We'll have to see. Didn't Boston do the same thing .... traded a proven 23-24 yr old 20-30 goal scorer for unproven, unknown 18 yr old? Seguin may be a #2 pick, but he is playing like a #20+ pick ..... you just never know |
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 15, 2011 11:11:52 GMT -5
Versteeg must be thanking the hockey gods....
Must be nice to leave the Leafs to go to the Flyers and get another legitimite shot at the cup !
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 15, 2011 11:56:57 GMT -5
Flyers are likely gonna be top two in the league this year. That's picking 29-30 in a weak draft. They are close. Looks like the second pick is a third, and Burke is shopping it. Burke gets a first and a third for a middle of the road (IMO) second line player with a year left on his deal. TSN hinting that they felt Versteeg should have got more. Hogwash. Draft picks are based on how you finish in the playoffs. That first rounder could be as high as 21-22 if the Flyers are eliminated in the first round They only adjust after the first two rounds, as the four conference finalists are seeded 27-30. If Philly ends up top two in the regular season and still get bumped in the first two rounds, that pick is still only 25-26th overall. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 15, 2011 12:03:22 GMT -5
So, the Leafs now have a worse roster than yesterday and the Flyers have a better roster than yesterday. As a Habs fan, this is lose-lose since Boston is almost guaranteed a lottery pick now and Philly just shored up the best top nine in the league already.
Philly is going for it now I guess a la Chicago last year. I am guessing some salary will have to be eventually tossed, but they have a good young core going forward.
Toronto is doing some serious deep sea fishing on July 1st in a weak UFA market. What if they don't get Richards or one of the other big fish? What then? I guess they finally get a first round lottery pick that they can use in 2012!! What a mess.
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Post by franko on Feb 15, 2011 12:55:33 GMT -5
I guess the Leafs just traded for Voros for a 7th. the question has already been asked: Just what exactly is [Burke's] plan??  |
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Post by blny on Feb 15, 2011 13:49:43 GMT -5
Blindfold's the wrong colour  . Should be blue. |
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. Should be blue.