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Post by CentreHice on Apr 20, 2011 19:28:41 GMT -5
That's likely how I lean as well.
What did Fantino do?
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Post by Cranky on Apr 20, 2011 19:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 20, 2011 20:09:35 GMT -5
Harper has certainly welcomed him aboard....quoting him during the debate re: the gun registry. What did you want to see happen in Caledonia? Another thread perhaps.  |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 20, 2011 20:35:28 GMT -5
I hope NFLD doesn't complain about no money for Churchill Falls if they don't cote for Conservatives. After all, you can't have your cake and throw it at their face too. HA .... Churchill Falls is going ahead with or without the Feds. Bringing the Feds in on it is a way of lower the interest rate (if they give us the loan guarantee). There is talk now that Harper would rather give the province the cash equivalent of the interest cost (which most here do not want). Harper has a history of screwing NL ... this is nothing new. We fully expect him to reneged on all promises made to us as he has in the past, especially if he gets a majority. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 21, 2011 2:05:13 GMT -5
Harper has certainly welcomed him aboard....quoting him during the debate re: the gun registry. What did you want to see happen in Caledonia? Another thread perhaps. I never wanted to see him run on the Conservative ticket. Period. He did nothing to protect non-natives and in fact, ignored the law and court orders. Now he's a Conservative? Belch...... |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 21, 2011 2:09:41 GMT -5
I hope NFLD doesn't complain about no money for Churchill Falls if they don't cote for Conservatives. After all, you can't have your cake and throw it at their face too. HA .... Churchill Falls is going ahead with or without the Feds. Bringing the Feds in on it is a way of lower the interest rate (if they give us the loan guarantee). There is talk now that Harper would rather give the province the cash equivalent of the interest cost (which most here do not want). Harper has a history of screwing NL ... this is nothing new. We fully expect him to reneged on all promises made to us as he has in the past, especially if he gets a majority. Quid quo pro. Harper is going to get roasted from the rest of Canada because they will ALL want the same deal and simply can't happen. So your expecting him to stick his neck out and possible pay a heavily political price, but you don't want to vote for him. Fine. Quid quo pro. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 21, 2011 6:58:32 GMT -5
HA .... Churchill Falls is going ahead with or without the Feds. Bringing the Feds in on it is a way of lower the interest rate (if they give us the loan guarantee). There is talk now that Harper would rather give the province the cash equivalent of the interest cost (which most here do not want). Harper has a history of screwing NL ... this is nothing new. We fully expect him to reneged on all promises made to us as he has in the past, especially if he gets a majority. Quid quo pro. Harper is going to get roasted from the rest of Canada because they will ALL want the same deal and simply can't happen. So your expecting him to stick his neck out and possible pay a heavily political price, but you don't want to vote for him. Fine. Quid quo pro. Because he stuck he neck out before - in WRITING - and didn't keep the promise. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Harper is about as trustworthy as the gum on my shoe. |
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Post by franko on Apr 21, 2011 7:04:02 GMT -5
Harper is about as trustworthy as the gum on my shoe. he's a politician, Skilly . . . expect the same from them all. unfortunately. |
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Post by franko on Apr 21, 2011 7:05:13 GMT -5
posting at 3:05 am HA? no wonder you look like that! |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 21, 2011 7:17:06 GMT -5
Harper is about as trustworthy as the gum on my shoe. he's a politician, Skilly . . . expect the same from them all. unfortunately. Oh i agree... not denying it. But Harper has shown me through his actions what to expect. Ignatieff had nothing to do with Adscam, nor did Layton. I wonder how many Liberals MPs are still on Parliament Hill from those Adscam days? I am willing to give anyone a chance. I voted for Harper once. But why should I vote for someone that views my part of the country with such distain and blantantly lies to us? A Harper majority, IMO, will lead to Quebec seperating within his mandate and quite possibly, a revolt in the East where we may be forced to form an economic union (or an energy union) with each other .... hmmmm maybe I should vote Harper. Viva Atlantica!!  |
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Post by franko on Apr 21, 2011 9:19:22 GMT -5
and I agree with you here in some ways. Iggy had nothing to do with Adscam but is linked; Harper is not Mulroney either yet he is anathema because of free trade!
we live in a splintered country. the west [well, Alberta] will not vote Liberal [until enough Newfoundlanders relocate there] because they remember the NEP and would quote you [why should I vote for someone that views my part of the country with such distain and blantantly lies to us?] in staying staunchly conservative.
don't worry, this will be Harper's last election -- if he wins a minority the knives will be out; if he wins a majority he will "retire on top". the conservatives will split again: east red Tory, west Wild Rose conservative and we'll continue with minorities. Quebec will try to separate no matter who is in power because no one will stand up and talk honestly about the effects of separation on Quebec and Canada -- it will not be "life as normal with a different government". in fact, I would imagine that Newfoundland might say that the hydro agreements would need to be renegotiated because they were originally negotiated with a Canadian province and that they do not hold to a separate country [though I'm not sure of that].
wish I had snipped the article a number of years ago . . .Preston Manning gave his opinion of a Canada without Quebec. said Quebec goes on its own, the Atlantic provinces form a bloc, Ontario goes out on it's own, the prairie provinces band together, BC survives on its own, but after a time all struggle and talks begin; BC and the prairies align together as trading partners, eventually "Atlantica" realizes it is not strong enough on its own and rather than get swallowed up by the US forms a partnership with Ontario, the east and the west realize that they are stronger together than apart and link together politically and economically, and finally Quebec sees that it does not have the economic resources it needs to survive and discusses stronger ties to the other provinces and territories. Informal discussions lead to the suggestion that a more formal arrangement may be necessary, so eventually leaders meet together . . . Charlottetown seems like a good place . . . and decide to form an official union. looking for a unique name they choose something like . . . Canada.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 21, 2011 9:54:46 GMT -5
I would imagine that Newfoundland might say that the hydro agreements would need to be renegotiated because they were originally negotiated with a Canadian province and that they do not hold to a separate country [though I'm not sure of that]. Was looked at ... the contract would still hold. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 21, 2011 11:25:11 GMT -5
posting at 3:05 am HA? no wonder you look like that! That's from too much sex..... (when you work 24 hour irregular shifts for two decades, it's hard to break it afterword. Plus,, I like working on quotes/contracts through the night.) |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 21, 2011 16:50:25 GMT -5
Quebecers are looking at different options now as well. ============================================================= Move over Gilles, Jack's leading in Quebec
By Mark Dunn, Parliamentary Bureau TORONTO - The earth rumbled under the NDP campaign Thursday after polls showed Jack Layton has made an historic breakthrough in Quebec to surpass the separatist Bloc as the No. 1 choice for Quebecers. Layton rode his stunning surge of popularity through campaign stops in Toronto where he achieved another small piece of history by becoming the first federal leader to hang with the morning crew of the upstart Sun News Network. Layton and his wife, NDP candidate Olivia Chow, used their hour-long appearance on The Roundtable to discuss why voters are shunning Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff, tuning out Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe, and giving the cold shoulder to Conservative Leader Stephen Harper. “I have felt that our message has been resonating and we’ve felt momentum. We have a lot of work to do. We’re going to be saying to Canadians you have a choice here.” Harper and Ignatieff downplayed the rising orange tide, while Duceppe’s campaign shrugged off the NDP onslaught. “It’s not the first campaign we have to fight very furious to the very end,” Duceppe said. Harper said he wasn’t going to comment on the polls, then proceeded to comment on the polls, saying “there’s more than one poll a day and you pick and choose the ones you don’t like and the ones you do like.” Ignatieff dusted off a tired political cliche when asked about the growing adoration for Layton in Quebec and elsewhere in Canada as the Liberals sink to new lows. “As politicians famously say: A week is a long time in politics, 10 days is an eternity.” Layton, meanwhile, continued his Ontario blitz, holding a breakfast rally in a Liberal-held riding in downtown Toronto where he announced a digital platform to curry favour with consumers who want to throttle cell phone providers. The NDP plan would protect consumers from usage-based billing and other small-print price gouging and ensure that all Canadians have Internet access. He also attacked Harper for failing to adopt a national broadband strategy. “It’s no surprise we’re falling behind. Stephen Harper is a Commodore 64 in an iPad world. But to be fair, Mr. Harper thinks an app is something you order before dinner.” mark.dunn@sunmedia.ca Twitter: @markdunnsun habsrus.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=NonHockey&action=post&thread=15909&page=9 (link) |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 21, 2011 23:07:03 GMT -5
I think Harper, Ignatieff and Duceppe all made a mistake by constantly pointing out to voters that the NDP have never formed a government. The voters are now toying with the idea of "do we give Jack a chance to screw up too?"
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Post by PTH on Apr 21, 2011 23:45:25 GMT -5
In Quebec, I think the Conservative strategy of reminding people that the Bloc won't ever form a government is backfiring - people are willing to look at other options, but most Quebecers are left of center, so the Conservatives are the last party they consider voting for. Given adscam, the Liberals aren't too popular, leaving the NDP and Jack Layton seems like an OK guy, so what's there to lose ?
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Post by Cranky on Apr 22, 2011 12:10:46 GMT -5
A driver is stuck in a traffic jam going into downtown Ottawa .Nothing is moving north or south. Suddenly a man knocks on his window.
The driver rolls down his window and asks, "What happened? What's the hold-up? "Terrorists have kidnapped Michael Ignatieff, Stephen Harper, Jack Layton , Dalton McGuinty, Jean Charest and Gilles Duceppe. They are asking for a ten million dollar ransom....otherwise, they are going to douse them with gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, taking up a collection."
The driver asks, "On average, how much is everyone giving?"
"About four litres"
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Post by The New Guy on Apr 22, 2011 19:01:16 GMT -5
Quid quo pro. Harper is going to get roasted from the rest of Canada because they will ALL want the same deal and simply can't happen. So your expecting him to stick his neck out and possible pay a heavily political price, but you don't want to vote for him. Fine. Quid quo pro. It works both ways HA. He promised to "stick his neck out" for us if we voted for him. We did and he didn't. Quid quo pro. |
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Post by franko on Apr 22, 2011 20:32:08 GMT -5
He promised to "stick his neck out" for us if we voted for him. We did and he didn't. did you? I see a sea of red in Newfoundland and Labrador. 6 Liberal seats out of 7 . . . the other NDP. 16.5% of the vote; 46.6% Liberal, 33.9% NDP. not much of an endorsement. "We don't want you here . . . but give us stuff" seems to be the sentiment. not saying that it doesn't seem spiteful . . . just that you shouldn't be surprised. put a Tory in parliament and there might be a change in attitude and action. |
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Post by The New Guy on Apr 22, 2011 21:40:59 GMT -5
He promised to "stick his neck out" for us if we voted for him. We did and he didn't. did you? I see a sea of red in Newfoundland and Labrador. 6 Liberal seats out of 7 . . . the other NDP. 16.5% of the vote; 46.6% Liberal, 33.9% NDP. not much of an endorsement. "We don't want you here . . . but give us stuff" seems to be the sentiment. not saying that it doesn't seem spiteful . . . just that you shouldn't be surprised. put a Tory in parliament and there might be a change in attitude and action.Wrong election Franko. The promise was made before the 2006 Federal election. The Conservatives took three seats and the Liberals took four (with each taking about 42% of the popular vote). While not an overwhelming result, this does represent an improvement over the two seats they earned in 2004 (32% of the popular vote). In 2008 the Harper's conservatives lost those three seats and were murdered in the popular vote in large part due to a reaction to the Atlantic Accords fiasco and Danny's personal campaign against Harper. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 23, 2011 6:17:11 GMT -5
He promised to "stick his neck out" for us if we voted for him. We did and he didn't. did you? I see a sea of red in Newfoundland and Labrador. 6 Liberal seats out of 7 . . . the other NDP. 16.5% of the vote; 46.6% Liberal, 33.9% NDP. not much of an endorsement. "We don't want you here . . . but give us stuff" seems to be the sentiment. not saying that it doesn't seem spiteful . . . just that you shouldn't be surprised. put a Tory in parliament and there might be a change in attitude and action.As TNG said ... wrong election (and not a slap at you, but alot of people like to re-write history on this matter). I voted for Harper in the 2006 election because of his written promise. Harper's written promises: “The Conservative Party of Canada believes that the offshore oil and gas revenues are the key to real economic growth in Atlantic Canada. That’s why we would leave you with 100% of your oil and gas revenues. No small print. No excuses. No caps.” – Conservative Party of Canada mail-out to Newfoundland, 2005 “We will remove non-renewable natural resource revenue from the equalization formula to encourage the development of economic growth in the non-renewable resource sectors across Canada. The Conservative government will ensure that no province is adversely affected from changes to the equalization formula.” – Letter from Stephen Harper to Danny Williams, 2005-06 election |
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Post by franko on Apr 23, 2011 8:55:09 GMT -5
gotcha. wasn't "revisioning", just thought TNG was talking last election. thanks for the reminder.
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Post by franko on Apr 23, 2011 8:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Apr 23, 2011 12:54:14 GMT -5
The Pravda Toronto Star is trying to make a big deal out of a few signs getting spray painted or taken down. My friend is a Conservative in a prominently Liberal area. He had two Conservative signs removed from his property so he quipped.....I wish these redneck colour blind right wing thugs would learn to read.
As for the media.......It use to be that they tried to LOOK unbiased but now, Pravda Star doesn't even bother to hide their contempt for anything not Liberal or even further left of that.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 23, 2011 16:57:07 GMT -5
And the National Post counters it extremely well.
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Post by franko on Apr 23, 2011 18:41:32 GMT -5
thought the Post doesn't pretend to be anything but it is
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Post by Cranky on Apr 23, 2011 23:10:15 GMT -5
thought the Post doesn't pretend to be anything but it is \ The Post is right of center but Pravda makes the Sun look sane. The funny part is if one reads a paper can't see the spin then it's not the papers fault. They've done their job. *shrug* |
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Post by franko on Apr 25, 2011 18:53:53 GMT -5
If Canadians weren’t already confused enough by the suddenly shifting events in the federal election, the latest polls will certainly fix that.
According to an EKOS-iPolitics survey, the Conservative party has the support of just 33.7% of voters, less than six points ahead of the suddenly popular NDP, and we’re looking at a Jack Layton-led government with the Liberals as coalition partners or minority allies.
Compare that to Nanos Research, which has the Tories close to majority territory with a 14-point lead over the Liberals, and the NDP still in third spot (though closing on the Liberals).
They both agree the election is next Monday. At least that’s something.link
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Post by Cranky on Apr 25, 2011 19:28:20 GMT -5
If Canadians weren’t already confused enough by the suddenly shifting events in the federal election, the latest polls will certainly fix that.
According to an EKOS-iPolitics survey, the Conservative party has the support of just 33.7% of voters, less than six points ahead of the suddenly popular NDP, and we’re looking at a Jack Layton-led government with the Liberals as coalition partners or minority allies.
Compare that to Nanos Research, which has the Tories close to majority territory with a 14-point lead over the Liberals, and the NDP still in third spot (though closing on the Liberals).
They both agree the election is next Monday. At least that’s something.link Google "Ekos" and "Star" and you will see why you get those polling numbers. Nanos is more reliable. On the other hand, that's great news for Harper. If NDP led coalition does not frighten Canadians then NOTHING will.On the other hand, I don't mind a US style crash to ;ick up some cheap real estate. *shrug* |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 26, 2011 10:26:41 GMT -5
F-35s Expected to Cost at Least Double: DNDHarper says $75 million per jet in purchase, and $7 billion in fleet maintenance over the next 20 years. Officials say likely $150 million per jet in purchase, and $24 billion in fleet maintenance over the next 30 years (which works out to be $16 billion over 20 years....over double Harper's $7 billion.) Like I said, I think we need them, so I'm not for the Liberals playing the "we'll scrap the plan" card....but I'd rather not get the soft-sell figures from our PM, either. Let's come to a consensus on the cost here. I know it's a lot to ask of any politician...but can't we be honest about it?
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