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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 8, 2011 11:52:52 GMT -5
Rumour from hockeyinsiders tweet:
AK+Weber+1st pick for Alexander Semin et Karl Alzner
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Post by Polarice on Jul 8, 2011 12:30:31 GMT -5
Been hearing it too....didn't say who was going back though.
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Post by blny on Jul 8, 2011 12:32:30 GMT -5
I saw this chatter on hfboards in their section for rumours from uncredited sources.
Alzner's name is being thrown around because he's not signed and the Caps are over the Cap. He's got good size and speed. Offensive upside is limited imo, but he's still very young. He's coming off his entry level contract with a cap hit of $1.675 million, but actual salary of $875k. He's an RFA, and it's hard to say what it would take to sign him long term.
Semin is an immense talent. He's also as big a headcase as Akost. Definitely not as physical. He's pricey too. He's on a one year deal for $6.7 million.
Semin $6.7 million Alzner $1.5 million (a guess)
vs.
Kostitsyn $3.25 million Weber $850k
I'd be hesitant to give up a first in that deal considering how much money we're taking back. That deal would also likely mean that Max is destined for the 3rd line this year. I think that would be a mistake. Semin is a legit 40g man though.
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Post by franko on Jul 8, 2011 12:43:09 GMT -5
heck, sign Kovy . . . he'll be cheaper than Semin and disappear just as easily.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 8, 2011 12:46:54 GMT -5
heck, sign Kovy . . . he'll be cheaper than Semin and disappear just as easily. You just want to resurrect your Kovy jersey!!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 8, 2011 12:48:59 GMT -5
I saw this chatter on hfboards in their section for rumours from uncredited sources. Alzner's name is being thrown around because he's not signed and the Caps are over the Cap. He's got good size and speed. Offensive upside is limited imo, but he's still very young. He's coming off his entry level contract with a cap hit of $1.675 million, but actual salary of $875k. He's an RFA, and it's hard to say what it would take to sign him long term. Semin is an immense talent. He's also as big a headcase as Akost. Definitely not as physical. He's pricey too. He's on a one year deal for $6.7 million. Semin $6.7 million Alzner $1.5 million (a guess) vs. Kostitsyn $3.25 million Weber $850k I'd be hesitant to give up a first in that deal considering how much money we're taking back. That deal would also likely mean that Max is destined for the 3rd line this year. I think that would be a mistake. Semin is a legit 40g man though. Hmmm, could Goat just get his hands on Alzner. He would be a great fit on Montreal, as he can log the minutes and play solid defense. He is still cheap, unlike Semin and that fat contract. Alzner please (although that does very little to help Washington with their cap issue right now).
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Post by blny on Jul 8, 2011 12:49:06 GMT -5
heck, sign Kovy . . . he'll be cheaper than Semin and disappear just as easily. You just want to resurrect your Kovy jersey!! I have a t shirt.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 8, 2011 12:53:11 GMT -5
heck, sign Kovy . . . he'll be cheaper than Semin and disappear just as easily. The guy had 6 point in 9 playoff games last year....54 points in 65 games and battled a wrist injury all year, had 84 points the year before. Not sure why you and others say he disappears? I'd take him in a heartbeat!!
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Post by blny on Jul 8, 2011 13:33:03 GMT -5
heck, sign Kovy . . . he'll be cheaper than Semin and disappear just as easily. The guy had 6 point in 9 playoff games last year....54 points in 65 games and battled a wrist injury all year, had 84 points the year before. Not sure why you and others say he disappears? I'd take him in a heartbeat!! The goaless streak in the playoffs that went some 14 plus games is what most refer too. In his defense, he had a number of glorious chances against us in 2010 only to be stoned by Halak.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 8, 2011 14:04:46 GMT -5
Semin and Alzner.....I'd do the deal just for Alzner. That guy is, and is going to continue to be, a stud on D.
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Post by clear observer on Jul 8, 2011 14:08:47 GMT -5
Rumour from hockeyinsiders tweet: AK+Weber+1st pick for Alexander Semin et Karl Alzner I'd do this deal in a heartbeat...make that in 1/4 of a heartbeat.
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Post by 24in93 on Jul 8, 2011 14:14:23 GMT -5
Rumour from hockeyinsiders tweet: AK+Weber+1st pick for Alexander Semin et Karl Alzner I'd do this deal in a heartbeat...make that in 1/4 of a heartbeat. I agree. Which likely means this deal has a 0.1% chance of actually happening.
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 8, 2011 14:18:26 GMT -5
Give me a defence of
Markov-Gorges Subban-Alzner Yemelin-Gill
With Price behind them....I think you just might have something. A lot less time in our end, I reckon.
Would certainly give me a reason to tune in....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 8, 2011 14:20:52 GMT -5
Semin and Alzner.....I'd do the deal just for Alzner. That guy is, and is going to continue to be, a stud on D. I'm hoping there's something to this. Alzner is an excellent, young defenceman and if Gauthier lands him it would be a coup. Semin would be the kind of guy that would get us to the playoffs, then disappear when the playoffs come around. He's just not all that effective in the post-season. Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Jul 8, 2011 14:24:08 GMT -5
the bad PO performer rep came in the 2010 playoffs where he was pretty awful. But overall, in 37 PO games he has 30 points - good numbers.
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Post by franko on Jul 8, 2011 14:36:55 GMT -5
the bad PO performer rep came in the 2010 playoffs where he was pretty awful. But overall, in 37 PO games he has 30 points - good numbers. OK, 6 points in 9 games this year.
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Post by franko on Jul 8, 2011 14:38:41 GMT -5
Markov-Gorges Subban-Alzner Yemelin-Gill Gill and Gorges were the great shut-down pair in the playoffs a couple of years ago [cross-threading, to say Gorges is not a number 6 d-man, he is integral on the shut-down and on the PK -- sign him already!]
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Post by jkr on Jul 8, 2011 14:47:55 GMT -5
the bad PO performer rep came in the 2010 playoffs where he was pretty awful. But overall, in 37 PO games he has 30 points - good numbers. OK, 6 points in 9 games this year. his playoff numbers: 2008 - 7 games; 8 pts. 2009 - 14 games; 14 pts. 2010 - 7 games; 2 pts. 2011 - 9 games; 6 pts. 30 pts. in 37 games but because he had one bad PO he is labelled as a choker. I have to admit I was one of those that felt the same way until I looked at his numbers. BTW, he's due to make 6.7 & is UFA at the end of the season so it's a short term commitment to him. Maybe, taking Semin is the price to pay for getting Alzner. IMO, it's similar to the Leafs taking 2 years of an injured Lombardi to get Franson.
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Post by blny on Jul 8, 2011 14:56:33 GMT -5
Not a bad way to look at it jkr.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 8, 2011 16:51:32 GMT -5
Excellent research guys! Thanks!
Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 8, 2011 17:12:03 GMT -5
I'd be hesitant to give up a first in that deal considering how much money we're taking back. That deal would also likely mean that Max is destined for the 3rd line this year. I think that would be a mistake. Semin is a legit 40g man though. I wouldn't say that ... Semin is a right winger. Pacioretty is a left winger. I don't think management will ask Gionta to play on his off wing. The lines will probably end up being: Pacioretty-Gomez-Semin Cole-Plekanec-Cammalleri Eller-Desharnais-Gionta Either Eller or Desharnais are going to have to learn to play the wing
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Post by CentreHice on Jul 8, 2011 17:40:04 GMT -5
Would management ask Gionta to take 3rd line minutes?
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Post by blny on Jul 8, 2011 17:41:25 GMT -5
I'd be hesitant to give up a first in that deal considering how much money we're taking back. That deal would also likely mean that Max is destined for the 3rd line this year. I think that would be a mistake. Semin is a legit 40g man though. I wouldn't say that ... Semin is a right winger. Pacioretty is a left winger. I don't think management will ask Gionta to play on his off wing. The lines will probably end up being: Pacioretty-Gomez-Semin Cole-Plekanec-Cammalleri Eller-Desharnais-Gionta Either Eller or Desharnais are going to have to learn to play the wing I thought he played the left side. Oh well. For the record, if the intent is to have Cole on the left we could be disappointed. One of the reasons he struggled in Edmonton and only spent a year there was that they tried to convert him to lw. When I look at Cammalleri, Cole, and Gionta ... Brian is the best for the move. He shoots from anywhere, and shooting on his off wing isn't something that he looks for.
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Post by Dschens on Jul 8, 2011 17:49:16 GMT -5
Interesting rumour. It would be a good trade if the 1st rounder is not included. The Capitals have a cap problem right now and a lot of RFAs and UFAs next year( link) as well, including Mike Green. I don't want to part with our 1st rounder when most of our promising prospects are already Dmen. Maybe we could make this pick conditional, if we win the Cup this year or Semin resigns with us.
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Post by blny on Jul 8, 2011 17:52:38 GMT -5
Interesting rumour. It would be a good trade if the 1st rounder is not included. The Capitals have a cap problem right now and a lot of RFAs and UFAs next year( link) as well, including Mike Green. I don't want to part with our 1st rounder when most of our promising prospects are already Dmen. Maybe we could make this pick conditional, if we win the Cup this year or Semin resigns with us. That's my feeling about the included pick as well. I like the idea of the conditional nature of the pick. 1st - Montreal wins the Cup 2nd - Montreal makes the Final 3rd - Montreal makes the CF
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Post by franko on Jul 8, 2011 17:55:27 GMT -5
The Capitals have a cap problem right now well there you go. if BG were still in charge it might even be a 1st and a 2nd . . . anything to get an over-priced player and help out another team. that's what it's all about, isn't it?
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Post by Skilly on Jul 8, 2011 18:34:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't say that ... Semin is a right winger. Pacioretty is a left winger. I don't think management will ask Gionta to play on his off wing. The lines will probably end up being: Pacioretty-Gomez-Semin Cole-Plekanec-Cammalleri Eller-Desharnais-Gionta Either Eller or Desharnais are going to have to learn to play the wing I thought he played the left side. Oh well. For the record, if the intent is to have Cole on the left we could be disappointed. One of the reasons he struggled in Edmonton and only spent a year there was that they tried to convert him to lw. When I look at Cammalleri, Cole, and Gionta ... Brian is the best for the move. He shoots from anywhere, and shooting on his off wing isn't something that he looks for. Sorry about that ... Cole is a right winger, Cammy is a left winger ... I should have them reversed
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Post by Skilly on Jul 8, 2011 18:36:27 GMT -5
Would management ask Gionta to take 3rd line minutes? if management wanted to win ... and Gionta is the least likely to complain IMO
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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2011 18:44:07 GMT -5
Interesting rumour. It would be a good trade if the 1st rounder is not included. The Capitals have a cap problem right now and a lot of RFAs and UFAs next year( link) as well, including Mike Green. I don't want to part with our 1st rounder when most of our promising prospects are already Dmen. Maybe we could make this pick conditional, if we win the Cup this year or Semin resigns with us. Bingo Dschens. Once again, if we're going to help a team with their CAP problems, we have to make them pay. I like Semin's goal scoring ability and would compare him to Stephane Richer, but he's not Canadian and is not likely to pay the price in the playoffs. Alzner is also fine, but we'd be giving up a decent scorer in AK and an improving defenseman too. I could see a 2nd rounder (ouch I hate giving up those draft choices), but Semin's a pretty good talent and still young, so it will cost something, but I don't want to lose a 1st rounder.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 8, 2011 21:24:46 GMT -5
First of all, I don't believe the Capitals would ever let go of Alzner. McPhee loves the kid. Also, unless the Habs are unloading Gomez's contract, a deal for Semin is NEVER happening.
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