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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 14, 2011 11:41:22 GMT -5
Some Twtter noise about that this morning
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Post by jkr on Jul 14, 2011 11:51:21 GMT -5
I heard this too. Although my ability to read French isn't that great there are some interesting rumors in the forum of a site called www.vestiaire.ca I did see this here too. Turris was a great prospect that IMO was rushed into the NHL. Would probably make a good reclamation prospect. Kind of fits what PG has done before with guys like O'Byrne/Halak - trade the present for some future. |
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Post by duster on Jul 14, 2011 12:03:09 GMT -5
I'd do it in a minute. Turris was once an elite prospect and I think he's been mishandled by Phoenix. I've seen him play few times and his talent in undeniable.
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Post by Polarice on Jul 14, 2011 12:07:04 GMT -5
Please be true!!!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 14, 2011 12:28:44 GMT -5
Wow, that would be a good deal in so many ways.
It's fun to dream!!
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 14, 2011 14:19:00 GMT -5
I heard this too. Although my ability to read French isn't that great there are some interesting rumors in the forum of a site called www.vestiaire.ca I did see this here too. . Yea, they have this guy over there, Doc Holliday, what a loon and trouble maker...  Good place for rumour roundup I find. But in French. Frankly rumours linking HABS and Phoenix have been going on for quite a while. At the deadline there was a Gomez/Jovo deal that was apparently imminent... ...would be a bitter-sweet deal actually. Would be glad to see Goat undo Gainey's blunder and rid the organisation of that 7.5MM anchor, but when Pheonix moves to Quebec city, I'd have Gomez right back on my team  |
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Post by HFTO on Jul 14, 2011 17:06:23 GMT -5
Doc!...you're gonna cheer for the Nordiques and start up a rival Nordsrus site?  ??...what trash talk will go on then...lol. I hope this deal does go down ..I'll even spring for you to wear a Gomer Nords sweater!...what a site that'd be! On this deal with Phoenix,aren't they just 3 million under the cap?.... seems like too much salary to take on,given the on going ordeal. The only team who really has to add major $$ are the Isles. Would Gomez accept a trade back to NY with a team in transition? At this point unless it involves taking another bad contract back,I think Gomer is going to get his chance to redeem himself for one more year in the blue,blanc rouge. I also think Eller's off season surgery plays into this thinking. I don't think we'll see too many major moves until the big fishes Stamkos, Doughty, and Parise all sign as well as the other arbitration hearings.Once all the major dominoes are in place then maybe we can hope for a major shakeup. HFTO |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 14, 2011 18:54:45 GMT -5
Doc!...you're gonna cheer for the Nordiques and start up a rival Nordsrus site? ??...what trash talk will go on then...lol. ...well I was thinking of a split personality thing... Like being Doc Holliday here but being Docteur Vaccance over there... that would work... Right? I mean how many personalities does HA has? Are we still counting...  |
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Post by blny on Jul 14, 2011 23:00:15 GMT -5
While it's all well and good to get out of Gomer's contract, let me play Devil's Advocate.
1. Trading Gomez and Moen creates two holes with no apparent fill within the organization. We have no #2 center. I know people will be quick to say DD and Eller can do split duty, but I don't believe either are truly ready for that amount of ice time - and more of it against better checkers. Richards is gone, so PG would have to have a replacement in mind.
2. Trading Moen removes a huge part of our sandpaper and a pretty versatile player. PG has yet to sign anyone to help him and White. Having just White in the lineup would be a huge error in judgement.
3. Turris is a project. He's got a lot of skill, and he's young still. If we were gonna gut the team entirely, and start from scratch, bring Turris in makes sense. We're not though, and I don't think we can afford to have only Plekanec up the middle with experience.
4. With the addition of Cole, we have more balance up front than we did and more size. I see Gomez rebounding to something like a 50-60 point season. Maybe more.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to lose a huge contract, but I don't see a realistic replacement. Plekanec, Turris/DD/Eller/White is simply not deep enough at center.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 15, 2011 0:15:11 GMT -5
While it's all well and good to get out of Gomer's contract, let me play Devil's Advocate. 1. Trading Gomez and Moen creates two holes with no apparent fill within the organization. We have no #2 center. I know people will be quick to say DD and Eller can do split duty, but I don't believe either are truly ready for that amount of ice time - and more of it against better checkers. Richards is gone, so PG would have to have a replacement in mind. 2. Trading Moen removes a huge part of our sandpaper and a pretty versatile player. PG has yet to sign anyone to help him and White. Having just White in the lineup would be a huge error in judgement. 3. Turris is a project. He's got a lot of skill, and he's young still. If we were gonna gut the team entirely, and start from scratch, bring Turris in makes sense. We're not though, and I don't think we can afford to have only Plekanec up the middle with experience. 4. With the addition of Cole, we have more balance up front than we did and more size. I see Gomez rebounding to something like a 50-60 point season. Maybe more. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to lose a huge contract, but I don't see a realistic replacement. Plekanec, Turris/DD/Eller/White is simply not deep enough at center. Good points. I still would do the trade....and then make more moves. If this imaginary trade really did go down, then the Goat would be far from over. He would need to then add a legitimate top two centre (not many of them around at the best of times, let alone when the primary UFAs have already been picked over) and some additional size to cover off for the loss of Moen (Winchester perhaps?). With Eller's recovery from surgery, the Habs would start the season quite short of good faceoff guys, a gap in this current lineup that really has not been addressed. I would argue with the loss of Halpern (better faceoff % and right handed to boot), this team is worse off in that regard. The Habs are a much better team with the puck than without, so winning more faceoffs definitely plays in their favour. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 15, 2011 9:41:37 GMT -5
I would only do it if I thought Turris was going to be a legit #1 or #2 centre, and I would say based on his progression that it's more likely that won't happen. He almost looks like a bust based on his performance. His career numbers after 131 NHL games are pretty lousy - 19 goals and 46 points, and I'm sure he's been given every chance to produce as a former #3 overall draft pick. Yes, he's still young but right now he's not even as good as Gomez. He would need to make a big leap in production.
So the only value is getting out of the Gomez contract, which is fine for the long-term but not so good short-term. At this point I don't want to make ANY deals that make us a worse team in 2011-12, and I think this trade is an immediate step backwards.
If Goat has a simultaneous deal lined up to go with this then I'd reconsider, but as a stand-alone deal.....no thanks.
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Post by 24in93 on Jul 15, 2011 10:30:34 GMT -5
Not to mention the Habs have a dismal record at showing patience in developing prospects. Pacioretty was a step in the right direction but Turris looks like an even bigger project.
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Post by Marvin on Jul 15, 2011 10:57:15 GMT -5
Not to mention the Habs have a dismal record at showing patience in developing prospects. Pacioretty was a step in the right direction but Turris looks like an even bigger project. Can you pls clarify who you mean? I'd suggest that with Pacioretty, Eller, White, and Subban they have showed extreme patience. |
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jul 15, 2011 11:27:45 GMT -5
If Goat has a simultaneous deal lined up to go with this then I'd reconsider, but as a stand-alone deal.....no thanks. ...might not have a simultaneous deal lined-up, but the freed up space puts us in a position to make an important deal if one arises down the line. ...if we play connect-the-rumors for fun than maybe that cap space can allow the HABS to make a move for Semin? |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 15, 2011 12:32:02 GMT -5
If Goat has a simultaneous deal lined up to go with this then I'd reconsider, but as a stand-alone deal.....no thanks. ...might not have a simultaneous deal lined-up, but the freed up space puts us in a position to make an important deal if one arises down the line. ...if we play connect-the-rumors for fun than maybe that cap space can allow the HABS to make a move for Semin? I think we can move on Semin regardless. We have $7.6m in cap space right now with only Gorges left to sign. We could easily swap AKost and his $3.25m cap hit for Semin and his $6.7m cap hit, and still have enough left over to sign Gorges. |
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Post by Polarice on Jul 15, 2011 12:40:12 GMT -5
Not to mention the Habs have a dismal record at showing patience in developing prospects. Pacioretty was a step in the right direction but Turris looks like an even bigger project. I can't think of any prospect Montreal gave up on, that moved on to produce anything significant? |
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Post by Marvin on Jul 15, 2011 14:35:15 GMT -5
Guess it depends what is defined as 'prospect.' A couple of names that come to mind of players that went on to have nice careers, John LeClair and Andrew Cassels.
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Post by 24in93 on Jul 15, 2011 14:52:49 GMT -5
I'm saying guys like Ribeiro, Latendresse, Sergei, Grabovski. Not to say I miss the latter two but they did seem to play well or better when they left. The former two were cut loose far too early imo.
I should acknowledge we're trending better now with guys like Subban, Pacioretty, Price etc.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 15, 2011 15:02:44 GMT -5
At this point unless it involves taking another bad contract back,I think Gomer is going to get his chance to redeem himself for one more year in the blue,blanc rouge. On the surface the trade looks like a no-brainer, but losing Gomez and adding a youngster like Turris gives us a lot of less-experienced, though youthful, centres. I hate that contract Gomez has, but at the same time I honestly think a lot of his poor play might due to the pressure he has just living up to that kind of dough. That's not an excuse, but it might explain why. If the kid thinks he has pressure playing in Montreal now, just think of the pressure he'll have on him if Gomez is moved. I'm really hoping this is not the case. Just my opinion, but I don't think the team isn't all that bad and a major shakeup doesn't seem to be Gauthier's way. However, it was Gainey's way and all it did was cause our club to mark time year after year. I'm not saying this is the case, but I just can't go through another period like that, mate. I don't have the energy for it. Cheers. |
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Post by Marvin on Jul 15, 2011 15:26:29 GMT -5
I don't believe for a moment that PHO would trade a young, still-unproven talent for a player who is on the back nine of his career.
The other rumor floating out there involves Turris for Kadri. Now THIS makes much more sense to me.
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Post by blny on Jul 15, 2011 22:04:01 GMT -5
I don't believe for a moment that PHO would trade a young, still-unproven talent for a player who is on the back nine of his career. The other rumor floating out there involves Turris for Kadri. Now THIS makes much more sense to me. It's all about reaching the cap floor. If they felt trading Turris was better than the penalty for being below the cap floor, then it's completely in the realm of possibility. Fact is, they ARE one of the teams that is going to have to take on salary before October. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 15, 2011 23:50:41 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, our favourite "blog" trading partners are PHO and NYI, the two who really need to add cap space to start the season. It does not mean the two teams are even talking, and many are connecting dots that may or may not have any merit.
They both have interesting young assets that would help the Habs longer term. But, we would also have to address some gaps right away to stay competitive moving forward. Lots of fun speculation for the dog days...not sure anything will come of it.
The other kicker is we really do not have the assets that others want (other than our untouchables like PK and Price). Tough to play the market without the big chips.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 16, 2011 1:45:15 GMT -5
... I mean how many personalities does HA has? Are we still counting... Depends on the medication....... |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 16, 2011 1:50:25 GMT -5
Simple question. Is miniKoivu a true number one center? If not, what wil happen if Pleks wilts under pressure?
If we do this, we need another veteran center to back them up.
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Post by blny on Jul 16, 2011 13:47:39 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, our favourite "blog" trading partners are PHO and NYI, the two who really need to add cap space to start the season. It does not mean the two teams are even talking, and many are connecting dots that may or may not have any merit. They both have interesting young assets that would help the Habs longer term. But, we would also have to address some gaps right away to stay competitive moving forward. Lots of fun speculation for the dog days...not sure anything will come of it. The other kicker is we really do not have the assets that others want (other than our untouchables like PK and Price). Tough to play the market without the big chips. FWIW, I'd rather Bailey from the Isles . |
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Post by Polarice on Aug 22, 2011 12:57:19 GMT -5
More Twitter noise that Gomez might be traded today!!
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Post by blny on Aug 22, 2011 15:27:44 GMT -5
Twits twitter lol. IMO, they're as reliable as Eklund.
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Post by blny on Aug 30, 2011 5:36:33 GMT -5
Langkow for Stempniak should quiet down trade rumours with the Coyotes.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Aug 30, 2011 6:40:48 GMT -5
...rumeur du jour is Gomez and picks/prospect for Bogosian.
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Post by Polarice on Aug 30, 2011 7:04:54 GMT -5
Meh, Calgary is just making Cap space for Gomez. |
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??...what trash talk will go on then...lol.
